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Phatguysrule said:
Anybody doing property damage should be put in jail.

Especially repeat offenders. They are criminals. Their home should be in jail.

*Edit* This would be included in the education and corrections reform as I've discussed above.
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I 100% agree and think it is the quickest way to figure out who wants help aNd who doesn't.
 
‘Unprecedented early victory’: Oregon lawmakers pass $200 million package to address homelessness and housing

Not Portland specific, but hopefully this will be be successful. I know Salem has some shelters that are funded through the rest of the year but are already worried about funding after that. The only thing we can do that is worse than not trying to get people housed is getting people housed then taking it away from them. Complex issues, I hope the counties do right with these funds and solve some of the problems Oregonians are dealing with.
 
Shaboid said:
‘Unprecedented early victory’: Oregon lawmakers pass $200 million package to address homelessness and housing

Not Portland specific, but hopefully this will be be successful. I know Salem has some shelters that are funded through the rest of the year but are already worried about funding after that. The only thing we can do that is worse than not trying to get people housed is getting people housed then taking it away from them. Complex issues, I hope the counties do right with these funds and solve some of the problems Oregonians are dealing with.
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Good. Now we have enough to get nearly everyone off of the streets of Oregon.

Ball is in your court, City and State Governments.

*Whoops, forgot to address the ball being in County Government courts as well.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Good. Now we have enough to get nearly everyone off of the streets of Oregon.

Ball is in your court, City and State Governments.
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Just in time for the nice weather and for people from out of state to come get a piece of the pie.

Ball is mostly in the counties court, but yeah.
 
Shaboid said:
Just in time for the nice weather and for people from out of state to come get a piece of the pie.

Ball is mostly in the counties court, but yeah.
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Train and bus tickets are cheap. Send them back to the city of their last known address. The Martin v Boise ruling states we only need to have enough resources for our local population and we can make public camping illegal.

They'll stop coming fairly soon once they realize they'll be sent back or put in jail.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Train and bus tickets are cheap. Send them back to the city of their last known address. The Martin v Boise ruling states we only need to have enough resources for our local population and we can make public camping illegal.

They'll stop coming fairly soon once they realize they'll be sent back or put in jail.
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You're more optimistic than I am but I hope you're right.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Now imagine this being one of the new proposed homeless shelters. How much to build. How much to put out the fire, how much to fix the area to be ready to build again and how much more to rebuild the shelter that just burnt down?

these are the added costs i foresee that i do not believe are included in any cost analysis of the homeless debates.
Just pulling numbers out of my ass, i would assess this is now triple the cost of the budgeted shelter would have originally cost.
Is it really less expensive to build and rebuild destroyed shelters? I just do not see how.
 
BlazerBender said:
Now imagine this being one of the new proposed homeless shelters. How much to build. How much to put out the fire, how much to fix the area to be ready to build again and how much more to rebuild the shelter that just burnt down?

these are the added costs i foresee that i do not believe are included in any cost analysis of the homeless debates.
Just pulling numbers out of my ass, i would assess this is now triple the cost of the budgeted shelter would have originally cost.
Is it really less expensive to build and rebuild destroyed shelters? I just do not see how.
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A big difference between this...

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There are no guarantees there won't be fires but not allowing open flames and spacing the shelters should reduce the damage.
 
Shaboid said:
You're pretty vocal about this issue, what are your thoughts on the $200 million bill that was just passed in the state legislature?
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I am. Its personal to me. Not only have i been homeless, but i have worked for the WDOT working with cleanup of parks and highways which put me in direct relations with the homeless. Then my walking commute i had for years downtown pdx brought me alot of insight.

However, i would feel disingenuous if i did not first read up thoroughly on the bill before answering. I saw it posted above and planned on reading up on it this weekend. Until i do, i feel i cant accurately answer your question.
But i will after i review this weekend.
 
BlazerBender said:
I am. Its personal to me. Not only have i been homeless, but i have worked for the WDOT working with cleanup of parks and highways which put me in direct relations with the homeless. Then my walking commute i had for years downtown pdx brought me alot of insight.

However, i would feel disingenuous if i did not first read up thoroughly on the bill before answering. I saw it posted above and planned on reading up on it this weekend. Until i do, i feel i cant accurately answer your question.
But i will after i review this weekend.
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Fair enough
 
Phatguysrule said:
Train and bus tickets are cheap. Send them back to the city of their last known address. The Martin v Boise ruling states we only need to have enough resources for our local population and we can make public camping illegal.

They'll stop coming fairly soon once they realize they'll be sent back or put in jail.
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You know, this notion of just shipping people out used to bring to mind some small town sheriff or sneaky mayoral move, but now I’ve framed it differently for myself. Because I’m fed up and it’s so overwhelming to have people actively fucking up things—not just pitching a tent and camping—with all the garbage and theft and the fires and they do this thing where they disconnect the streetlights. I hate that when I’m walking a pedestrian bridge at night or something…

…but anyway, I’ve come to think of the ticket out of town thing as something similar to residency when paying for college tuition. You can’t just move somewhere and instantly take advantage of their infrastructure and tax dollars and all that, you’ve got to show your commitment to take part. I don’t live in the Kennedy School’s area, so I don’t get a neighborhood discount. There are hoops.

Likewise, if you just ride the drug train to Portland because we don’t prosecute or for whatever reason, you can’t just take advantage of what our taxes provide.
 
Propagandist said:
You know, this notion of just shipping people out used to bring to mind some small town sheriff or sneaky mayoral move, but now I’ve framed it differently for myself. Because I’m fed up and it’s so overwhelming to have people actively fucking up things—not just pitching a tent and camping—with all the garbage and theft and the fires and they do this thing where they disconnect the streetlights. I hate that when I’m walking a pedestrian bridge at night or something…

…but anyway, I’ve come to think of the ticket out of town thing as something similar to residency when paying for college tuition. You can’t just move somewhere and instantly take advantage of their infrastructure and tax dollars and all that, you’ve got to show your commitment to take part. I don’t live in the Kennedy School’s area, so I don’t get a neighborhood discount. There are hoops.

Likewise, if you just ride the drug train to Portland because we don’t prosecute or for whatever reason, you can’t just take advantage of what our taxes provide.
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Agreed. And nobody can expect a single city to care for all of the homeless in the country.

Until there is federal funding to cover it, cities who are addressing homelessness should be allowed to send transplants who don't have an address back home. Or at least, be able to bill the federal government to cover the cost.

Then the Feds can cut funding to those states who are sending people out to offset.

There has to be some accountability
 
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Propagandist said:
You know, this notion of just shipping people out used to bring to mind some small town sheriff or sneaky mayoral move, but now I’ve framed it differently for myself. Because I’m fed up and it’s so overwhelming to have people actively fucking up things—not just pitching a tent and camping—with all the garbage and theft and the fires and they do this thing where they disconnect the streetlights. I hate that when I’m walking a pedestrian bridge at night or something…

…but anyway, I’ve come to think of the ticket out of town thing as something similar to residency when paying for college tuition. You can’t just move somewhere and instantly take advantage of their infrastructure and tax dollars and all that, you’ve got to show your commitment to take part. I don’t live in the Kennedy School’s area, so I don’t get a neighborhood discount. There are hoops.

Likewise, if you just ride the drug train to Portland because we don’t prosecute or for whatever reason, you can’t just take advantage of what our taxes provide.
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And as an ordinary life long resident of this State, If I jaywalk or light a fire on the sidewalk I get ticketed or my ass thrown in jail. Where that doesn't happen to those living on the streets that are destructive or careless.
 
‘Multiple victims’ in north Portland shooting

PORTLAND, Ore. (KPTV) - Multiple people have been shot in north Portland on Saturday afternoon, according to the Portland Police Bureau.

PPB said just before 12:30 p.m. Saturday, officers responded to a shooting at North Foss Avenue and North Foss Court. They have only confirmed there are “multiple victims.” The conditions of the victims are not available.

Police said no arrests have been made.

This is developing news. FOX 12 will update this story when more information is available.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/03/25/multiple-victims-north-portland-shooting/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
‘Multiple victims’ in north Portland shooting

PORTLAND, Ore. (KPTV) - Multiple people have been shot in north Portland on Saturday afternoon, according to the Portland Police Bureau.

PPB said just before 12:30 p.m. Saturday, officers responded to a shooting at North Foss Avenue and North Foss Court. They have only confirmed there are “multiple victims.” The conditions of the victims are not available.

Police said no arrests have been made.

This is developing news. FOX 12 will update this story when more information is available.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/03/25/multiple-victims-north-portland-shooting/
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Over by where my in-laws live. On the edge of the Columbia Villa. Most likely gang related.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
‘Multiple victims’ in north Portland shooting

PORTLAND, Ore. (KPTV) - Multiple people have been shot in north Portland on Saturday afternoon, according to the Portland Police Bureau.

PPB said just before 12:30 p.m. Saturday, officers responded to a shooting at North Foss Avenue and North Foss Court. They have only confirmed there are “multiple victims.” The conditions of the victims are not available.

Police said no arrests have been made.

This is developing news. FOX 12 will update this story when more information is available.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/03/25/multiple-victims-north-portland-shooting/
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