Rumor What's going on in Portland?

[SlyPokerDog]

quality impartial takes are near nonexistent around here.

shoplift that.

Listen my friend, no matter how you spin it cop killing bomb throwing racists trying to take over our government is not the same as fucking idiots trying to burn down a steel building.

Both are idiots, but to very different degrees.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Listen my friend, no matter how you spin it cop killing bomb throwing racists trying to take over our government is not the same as fucking idiots trying to burn down a steel building.

Both are idiots, but to very different degrees.

they were both government buildings victim of an attempted takeover.
Listen, regardless if someone was murdered or not, both groups attempted to take over a government building (but your spin is evident in not calling the steel building a government building, right there).

They are the same until you put spin on it like that.
See, taking over a steel building downtown isnt all that happened. Your omission of it being a government building is no better than fake news spin.

and by that take i must assume your a trumper.
You are using his tactics to spin your bs take.
Steel building.... lol.
Nice try.
Ill continue to let you think you won though. Since you think this has winners or losers or something....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh and for the record. Molotov cocktails are a form of a bomb. Been found around
Portland long before jan 6th.

But hey. Ill dismiss one as idiot juveniles being restless and the others murderers(even though most on jan 6th dodnt know a cop was murdered until they saw it on the news, like everyone on the 6th actively engaged in murder)


The spin and generalizing is ridiculously alarming.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

they were both government buildings victim of an attempted takeover.
Listen, regardless if someone was murdered or not, both groups attempted to take over a government building (but your spin is evident in not calling the steel building a government building, right there).

They are the same until you put spin on it like that.
See, taking over a steel building downtown isnt all that happened. Your omission of it being a government building is no better than fake news spin.

and by that take i must assume your a trumper.
You are using his tactics to spin your bs take.
Steel building.... lol.
Nice try.
Ill continue to let you think you won though. Since you think this has winners or losers or something....

What are the worst crimes that can be charged in both incidents?

Portland:

Arson

Capitol:

Murder
Attempted Murder


Not the same.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What are the worst crimes that can be charged in both incidents?

Portland:

Arson

Capitol:

Murder
Attempted Murder


Not the same.

what percentage of people on jan 6th partook in murder vs how many attempted to storm a government building?

of course those who murdered should be held accountable. Just as if someone were murdered in portland they should be held accountable.


You are comparing apples to orange to sidestep and dismiss the original act of trying to take over a government building was the same. The results were the only thing that was different.
You can sidestep or dismiss it all you want.
But you would be wrong and off base in doing so.
Period.

but keep trying. Its funny, in a crazy kinda way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hey i just robbed a store with my friends.
But then another group of people robbed a store over there and killed the clerk.

since one of many killed the clerk, they are all clerk killers and much worse than the first group who robbed.....


No.
the one who committed murder is worse. Everyone else from both groups as the same.
Period.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Excuses excuses excuses.

The people in portland on friday are no better than those who stormed the capital. However those that commited murder are far worse than any of them.
In case you wanted the correct answer dog....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Excuses excuses excuses.

The people in portland on friday are no better than those who stormed the capital. However those that commited murder are far worse than any of them.
In case you wanted the correct answer dog....

Where did I make an excuse for the crimes downtown? I didn't.

If you want to paint them all with the same brush that's your right but the law is not supporting you on this. The seriousness of crimes by some of the participants are very very different.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Where did I make an excuse for the crimes downtown? I didn't.

If you want to paint them all with the same brush that's your right but the law is not supporting you on this. The seriousness of crimes by some of the participants are very very different.

you have selective reading. Get back to me when you read where i separated the murder and stated several times THE INNITIAL ACT of trying to take over the building... the results varied i said.
You dismissed...


Not sure why you responded honestly when you play these games you tend to do more and more of.
Next it will be crickets like last time right?


I say something, you ignore half of it aNd then continue to try to make a point i already agreed with. bUt still ignore the other half of my statement?

and you wonder why some people tell you trying to have a conversation here is futile?

Well there ya go...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

you have selective reading. Get back to me when you read where i separated the murder and stated several times THE INNITIAL ACT of trying to take over the building... the results varied i said.
You dismissed...


Not sure why you responded honestly when you play these games you tend to do more and more of.
Next it will be crickets like last time right?


I say something, you ignore half of it aNd then continue to try to make a point i already agreed with. bUt still ignore the other half of my statement?

and you wonder why some people tell you trying to have a conversation here is futile?

Well there ya go...

THE INNITIAL ACT of both groups is trespassing so not sure what your point is on that.

And if you think that me not agreeing with you means that conversation here is futile then I can't help you. We're having a conversation. No insults are being tossed back and forth, just differences of opinion. If you're looking for places that only agree with you then you're never going to be happy here.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ill say it again for the reading impaired. The initial act of trying to take over a government building( yes one was steel instead of concrete!)
is the same and the culprits deserve equal punishment.
Now ill expand as i elluded to several times but will now make clear. Other crimes also commited will then obviously make those specific people who commited those crimes be held to additional penalties/ punishment based on what those additional crimes were.

But the original a t of trying to unlawfully enter a government building is the same. And all of those in portland should be held to the same standard and punishment as those who stormed the capital building and ONLY stormed the capital building and did not commit a physical crime, assault and/or battery on another human.

 

[Orion Bailey]

THE INNITIAL ACT of both groups is trespassing so not sure what your point is on that.

And if you think that me not agreeing with you means that conversation here is futile then I can't help you. We're having a conversation. No insults are being tossed back and forth, just differences of opinion. If you're looking for places that only agree with you then you're never going to be happy here.

Nah. Were not having a conversation, were having a spin put on by you... again.

 

[Orion Bailey]

My point is that no one is separating those who committed murder and those who didn't at the capital.

they are all cop killers. @SlyPokerDog you said it yourself several posts ago!!!!

But in portland they are just trespassers. And im the one generalizing and sweeping things together???

lmfao.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

My point is that no one is separating those who committed murder and those who didn't at the capital.

they are all cop killers. @SlyPokerDog you said it yourself several posts ago!!!!

But in portland they are just trespassers. And im the one generalizing and sweeping things together???

lmfao.

No, you're the one who tried to make the argument that one is just as bad as the other. I don't agree with that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No, you're the one who tried to make the argument that one is just as bad as the other. I don't agree with that.

yep the original storming of a government building is an equal crime and thats what 90% of what both groups did.
You can disagree all you want and you will still be wrong.
“Jan6th were cop killers.
Last Friday were trespassers.”

you are wrong.


I clarified my first statement and you refuse to acknowledge it.
Typical sidestep.
Whatever spin you want to put on it. You are wrong.

you want equality? Equal crime equal punishment. Not all jan 6th criminals are cop killers but you regularly refer to them all as such.

You are simply wrong in doing so. Period. Just take your wrongness pill aNd sit in the corner for a bit and think about how wrong you Are in lumping all jan6th people together. (Thats a half joke not an insult...)

When you are ready to let me know how and why you are wrong in making those statements ill be all ears. Until then its just typical spin and ill treat it as such.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No, you're the one who tried to make the argument that one is just as bad as the other. I don't agree with that.

imma have to agree with sly here. You’ve laid out many arguments as to why I agree with Sly. I just feel like they line up more with the opposite perspective of your opinion.

no disrespect intended.

 

[Orion Bailey]

imma have to agree with sly here. You’ve laid out many arguments as to why I agree with Sly. I just feel like they line up more with the opposite perspective of your opinion.

no disrespect intended.

Then you are both wrong. . Calling all jan6th trespassers cop killers is just wrong and the prosecuting attorneys agree with me or they would go for murder for every trespasser there.

so yes, 90% plus of both insurgents were trespassers breaking into a government building and the punishment should be the same for both

 

[Lanny]

The actions were the same. Regardless of who instigated or how many. The actions of a few are just as bad as the actions of many.

so lets get detailed. The person who ignited the fire in Portland is less guilty that the person who damaged property inside on jan 6th?

yes or no?

I could point my finger at someone. The action of pointing is similar to pointing a gun and firing it yet you really can't compare the two.

 

[Lanny]

Then you are both wrong. . Calling all jan6th trespassers cop killers is just wrong and the prosecuting attorneys agree with me or they would go for murder for every trespasser there.

so yes, 90% plus of both insurgents were trespassers breaking into a government building and the punishment should be the same for both

No, participating in the forcible invasion of our Capitol while bludgeoning a police officer to death and loudly saying you're going to hang the Vice President and carrying zip ties obviously to bind the wrists of elected legislators and threatening other elected legislators of both parties, hardly compares with spray painting a building or building fires at a stone wall or in the middle of the street.
I think you'll see that the punishment for invading our sacred Capitol is much harsher than the city rioters. Both should be punished but not the same.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No, participating in the forcible invasion of our Capitol while bludgeoning a police officer to death and loudly saying you're going to hang the Vice President and carrying zip ties obviously to bind the wrists of elected legislators and threatening other elected legislators of both parties, hardly compares with spray painting a building or building fires at a stone wall or in the middle of the street.
I think you'll see that the punishment for invading our sacred Capitol is much harsher than the city rioters. Both should be punished but not the same.

not everyone did that Lanny. You are wrong to generalize. Not everyone forced themselves in and “bludgeoned a police officer.”

fuck it. By that logic were right back to all Blacks are criminals. (Which is wrong)

yall gotta stop saying they were all cop killers. Its not accurate first of all. It only furthers the divide based on fake news second of all.
And thirdly? Its just wrong.

There were insurgents

and then there were insurgents who came with an agenda to trash the place.

Then there were some insurgents who Actively wanted to and participated in physically harming others.

There should be different punishments for each category and Anyone debating that is wrong.

But if you insist they are all the same, then so are all blm and Antifa criminal behavior. If a few try to light a police hq on fire with people in side( attempted murder btw) and happened before jan. 6th.
Then they all are.

period. Thats how equal justice works.

you all cant have it both ways. Period. If you want to, you aRe wrong in doing so.

 

[barfo]

There must be some way we can minimize the seriousness of Jan 6th! If not BLM-equivalence, then what? Think, folks!

Biden hasn't held a press conference, what about that? That's just as awful, right?

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

There must be some way we can minimize the seriousness of Jan 6th! If not BLM-equivalence, then what? Think, folks!

Biden hasn't held a press conference, what about that? That's just as awful, right?

barfo

nice try with your typical spin too. But im not minimizing shit.
But if you could only be honest with yourself you would then see its just you who is actually minimizing whats happening downtown.
But i have not known you to post very honest takes so.... continue with your spin. you Re good at that.
You should go list that as a super power. Ill vouch. Its legit!

 

[Lanny]

not everyone did that Lanny. You are wrong to generalize. Not everyone forced themselves in and “bludgeoned a police officer.”

fuck it. By that logic were right back to all Blacks are criminals. (Which is wrong)

yall gotta stop saying they were all cop killers. Its not accurate first of all. It only furthers the divide based on fake news second of all.
And thirdly? Its just wrong.

There were insurgents

and then there were insurgents who came with an agenda to trash the place.

Then there were some insurgents who Actively wanted to and participated in physically harming others.

There should be different punishments for each category and Anyone debating that is wrong.

But if you insist they are all the same, then so are all blm and Antifa criminal behavior. If a few try to light a police hq on fire with people in side( attempted murder btw) and happened before jan. 6th.
Then they all are.

period. Thats how equal justice works.

you all cant have it both ways. Period. If you want to, you aRe wrong in doing so.

I didn't say that they all invaded the building. Only the ones that battered the outside or entered the inside are guilty and then there will be a sliding scale of punishment. I suppose you could make a case for some who may have incited the riot like Trump, jr. and Hawley.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I didn't say that they all invaded the building. Only the ones that battered the outside or entered the inside are guilty and then there will be a sliding scale of punishment. I suppose you could make a case for some who may have incited the riot like Trump, jr. and Hawley.

so then whats your point?

you should be telling sly they arent all copkillers. Hes the one who called them all cop killers. but called people who light buildings on fire with people inside mere trespassers.

 

[Orion Bailey]

All summer long it was minimize downtowns extremists as part of the fall out and deal with it.
Then shit hits the fan at the capital and they are all cop killers now.

Downtowm has had several government buildings lit on fire with at least one incident with people trapped inside.

But some of you trivialize that and then say im the one minimizing jan6th?

Some backasswards logic there. But hey. Yall got a little echo chamber validifying your assbackwards logic so it must be right, right?

lol.

 

[Lanny]

so then whats your point?

you should be telling sly they arent all copkillers. Hes the one who called them all cop killers. but called people who light buildings on fire with people inside mere trespassers.

My point is just what I said. The two activities are different in magnitude. People who participate in illegal activity are responsible for the actions of others in that illegal activity. Bank robbers who don't fire their weapons are responsible for the bank robber, participating with the same group who are also robbing the bank, who fires his weapon and kills someone. That's the law. When you see the situation getting out of hand, you need to leave. But even then, only the ones actively participating will probably get charged with a crime, to answer one of your questions.

 

[Orion Bailey]

My point is just what I said. The two activities are different in magnitude. People who participate in illegal activity are responsible for the actions of others in that illegal activity. Bank robbers who don't fire their weapons are responsible for the bank robber, participating with the same group who are also robbing the bank, who fires his weapon and kills someone. That's the law. When you see the situation getting out of hand, you need to leave. But even then, only the ones actively participating will probably get charged with a crime, to answer one of your questions.

so in what world is setting a state judicial building on fire or a police precinct on fire with people inside, not the equivalent or in excess of of trespassing and vandalizing the capital?

 

[Orion Bailey]

My point is just what I said. The two activities are different in magnitude. People who participate in illegal activity are responsible for the actions of others in that illegal activity. Bank robbers who don't fire their weapons are responsible for the bank robber, participating with the same group who are also robbing the bank, who fires his weapon and kills someone. That's the law. When you see the situation getting out of hand, you need to leave. But even then, only the ones actively participating will probably get charged with a crime, to answer one of your questions.

what happens when many not breaking the law provide cover for those that do to prevent convicting evidence to be had for a just prosecution?

 

[Lanny]

All summer long it was minimize downtowns extremists as part of the fall out and deal with it.
Then shit hits the fan at the capital and they are all cop killers now.

Downtowm has had several government buildings lit on fire with at least one incident with people trapped inside.

But some of you trivialize that and then say im the one minimizing jan6th?

Some backasswards logic there. But hey. Yall got a little echo chamber validifying your assbackwards logic so it must be right, right?

lol.

I have no idea who you're addressing this to unless it's you.
I just don't understand how you can not see the difference in magnitude. Do you consider the Capitol as just another one of many federal buildings? And do you consider the intent of disrupting Congress from doing it's Constitutionally required duty as just disrupting federal employees from doing their business from any of thousands of other federal buildings? Or do you consider lighting fires in the streets or in buildings that are by building code relatively fireproof with sprinklers and fire resistant materials to be the same as searching for U.S. Congressional legislators to kill or beat up? Please tell me you see a difference.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

@Orion Bailey I never said all the Jan 6th idiots are cop killers, just like I didn't say all the Antifa idiots are arsonists.

That is a strawman you have built.

You're the one who keeps trying to argue that these two acts are equal. IMO they are not.

What I have repeatedly said is that when you look at the crimes committed during both incidences there is no way a person can claim the are the same.