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Prominent local business speaks truth!

While Kassab’s two stores in Portland’s suburbs are open, the downtown store has been closed and boarded up since last May’s riot. Kassab said she was in the process of getting bids to replace several display cases that were smashed by looters in anticipation of potentially reopening a portion of her downtown store in the next several weeks.
But the recent incidents of property damage to businesses in downtown has prompted her to put those plans on hold.

Kassab said she no longer feels safe downtown. She faulted Wheeler for creating an environment in Portland over the last year where vandals and criminals feel as if they can cause destruction and damage without being held responsible.“Wheeler is just all talk, no action,” Kassab said. “He’s the reason we’re at this point. When you cultivate or tolerate an environment of lawlessness that’s what you’re going to get -- arson, looting, destroying property. I hope he gets out of the way and resigns.”


Sturgeon said that there have been failures at multiple levels of government that have led to the continued destruction.
She said the city and the Police Bureau don’t have the resources necessary to address the ongoing property destruction on their own and need more support from the state. She also faulted Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt for not doing more over the last year to ensure that offenders were held accountable.

Its the same 100 people doing this shit over and over. Arrest them and hit them where it hurts. Its our City...
 
Hoopguru said:
Prominent local business speaks truth!

While Kassab’s two stores in Portland’s suburbs are open, the downtown store has been closed and boarded up since last May’s riot. Kassab said she was in the process of getting bids to replace several display cases that were smashed by looters in anticipation of potentially reopening a portion of her downtown store in the next several weeks.
But the recent incidents of property damage to businesses in downtown has prompted her to put those plans on hold.

Kassab said she no longer feels safe downtown. She faulted Wheeler for creating an environment in Portland over the last year where vandals and criminals feel as if they can cause destruction and damage without being held responsible.“Wheeler is just all talk, no action,” Kassab said. “He’s the reason we’re at this point. When you cultivate or tolerate an environment of lawlessness that’s what you’re going to get -- arson, looting, destroying property. I hope he gets out of the way and resigns.”


Sturgeon said that there have been failures at multiple levels of government that have led to the continued destruction.
She said the city and the Police Bureau don’t have the resources necessary to address the ongoing property destruction on their own and need more support from the state. She also faulted Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt for not doing more over the last year to ensure that offenders were held accountable.

Its the same 100 people doing this shit over and over. Arrest them and hit them where it hurts. Its our City...
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But police refuse to wear cameras (which have already been approved and funded) that would help them gather actual evidence to put these few people in jail.

Hey police ... DO YOUR JOB.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But police refuse to wear cameras (which have already been approved and funded) that would help them gather actual evidence to put these few people in jail.

Hey police ... DO YOUR JOB.
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good point but many of theses dudes have been taken in and let loose only to vandalize again. They are not paying a price for criminal activity.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Anarchist =/= Antifa. They aren't the same thing.

The guy he's posting about literally has " former Anarchist" in his signature and nothing about antifa... Jesus people.
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From what I've been able to gather from various on-line sources, antifa is a pretty loose-knit group of people who oppose fascism, racism, xenophobia, and so on. They don't mind using intimidation and occasional violence in order to try to advance their agenda. It's left-wing and has folks involved who are socialist, communist or anarchist, but it's not a unified political group.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Sounds like I would fit in well. Mind telling me their fax number so that I can send in my application and resume?
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Are you an anti-social freak as well? Take a look at the mugshots and see if you fit in.

These people aren't normies.

The whole "noble causes" thing is just a cover so they can continue their anti-social behavior. Destroy property, yell "FUCK YOU!!!!" to people, and flip them off.
 
Hoopguru said:
good point but many of theses dudes have been taken in and let loose only to vandalize again. They are not paying a price for criminal activity.
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There is no evidence that they committed a crime. It is the job of the police to gather that evidence, not flood the system with bystanders.

The police are failing the city now, like they have been failing the poor and minorities forever.

What is going on down there is just more evidence of how much we need to improve the police force. It's a disgrace.
 
e_blazer said:
From what I've been able to gather from various on-line sources, antifa is a pretty loose-knit group of people who oppose fascism, racism, xenophobia, and so on. They don't mind using intimidation and occasional violence in order to try to advance their agenda. It's left-wing and has folks involved who are socialist, communist or anarchist, but it's not a unified political group.
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Antifa isn't a group at all. What you are describing are Anarchists. Anarchists are more libertarian than they are left wing anything. They are opposed to any government AT ALL. Which is exactly what the video said. That's not left wing. It's more right wing. Which is why the right wing is trying to come up with a new name to call them.

Antifa isn't opposed to government. It is an idea opposed to abuse of power.

https://www.facebook.com/WeAntiFascists/
 
Phatguysrule said:
Antifa isn't a group at all. What you are describing are Anarchists. Anarchists are more libertarian than they are left wing anything. They are opposed to any government AT ALL. Which is exactly what the video said. That's not left wing. It's more right wing. Which is why the right wing is trying to come up with a new name to call them.

Antifa isn't opposed to government. It is an idea opposed to abuse of power.

https://www.facebook.com/WeAntiFascists/
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Phatifa!
 
Phatguysrule said:
There is no evidence that they committed a crime. It is the job of the police to gather that evidence, not flood the system with bystanders.

The police are failing the city now, like they have been failing the poor and minorities forever.

What is going on down there is just more evidence of how much we need to improve the police force. It's a disgrace.
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Oh, they caught guys & gals red handed vandalizing but because of the Mayor and DA not prosecuting & capacity they let them go.
The police need big time serious reform but they also need backing of the Mayor and as he's their leader.
If I went into Milwaukie, Gresham, Vancouver and was setting fires, breaking windows and painting others property I would be going to jail and I would expect too.
 
Phatguysrule said:
How about we just get police to do their jobs and get down there with body cams and get actual proof of people breaking the law and arrest those people.

Anybody who has a hand in deliberately damaging private property should go to jail.
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They can't put them in jail right now because of Covid-19. If they did put them in jail they'd have to release some wife beater or mugger.
 
Lanny said:
They can't put them in jail right now because of Covid-19. If they did put them in jail they'd have to release some wife beater or mugger.
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I'm pretty sure we could find a place for the less than 100 people who are a problem.
 
Hoopguru said:
Oh, they caught guys & gals red handed vandalizing but because of the Mayor and DA not prosecuting & capacity they let them go.
The police need big time serious reform but they also need backing of the Mayor and as he's their leader.
If I went into Milwaukie, Gresham, Vancouver and was setting fires, breaking windows and painting others property I would be going to jail and I would expect too.
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I explained below why they couldn't do this even if the wanted to. It has to do with overcrowded jails due to the Covid-19 pandemic that Trump released on us.
 
Hoopguru said:
Oh, they caught guys & gals red handed vandalizing but because of the Mayor and DA not prosecuting & capacity they let them go.
The police need big time serious reform but they also need backing of the Mayor and as he's their leader.
If I went into Milwaukie, Gresham, Vancouver and was setting fires, breaking windows and painting others property I would be going to jail and I would expect too.
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No, the DA's policy is that anybody committing deliberate property damage or bodily harm should be charged and prosecuted.

I have yet to see evidence of anybody who did those things escaping charges or prosecution.

The police want carte blanche to arrest anybody and ruin lives with trumped up charges to strike fear into the hearts of law abiding citizens. So now that there is a DA who isn't part of the "good ol boy club" the police are refusing to do their job.
 
Hoopguru said:
Put them in cages then at terminal 2.
Containers would work
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Fine if you could get a judge to go along with it but they won't. I think the best you can do for now is give them a ticket or probation or both. Yeah, get something on their record, for Christ's sake.
I really shouldn't be swearing but it's a habit picked up from my father from Alabama where almost all men swear like the Devil even those that go to church every Sunday. Ask ABM, I'm sure he's seen plenty of that in Tennessee.
 
Seems to me antifa too often provide cover for anarchists.

in a large crowd of protestors mostly being antifa, it will be hard to actually catch anarchists in the act,even with body cams, because of the layers of protection in between.

if im correct it seems this has also been a major Complaint of the police force. Bad cops being protected.

I would think if protestors, antifa, want things to get better and get rid of bad cops and good cops protecting bad cops, they would want to lead by example and separate themselves from the anarchists breaking the law.

But instead, they too often use fascist tactics to rid us of fascism.

seems to me there is a very large double standard here no one is willing to admit to.
 
Lanny said:
I explained below why they couldn't do this even if the wanted to. It has to do with overcrowded jails due to the Covid-19 pandemic that Trump released on us.
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Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese issued a special order last week allowing deputies to book suspects accused of misdemeanor reckless burning and criminal mischief into the county jail as Portland continues to grapple with violent protests that have seen businesses and government buildings vandalized.

The changes took effect on April 23, according to a memo signed by Reese.

"The addition of the two specified crimes was done in recognition of the recent proliferation of attempts to set fire to objects and structures during demonstrations, and has been done in the best interest of public safety," sheriff's office spokesman Chris Liedle.

Previously, deputies issued a citation for misdemeanor crimes with a court appearance order. The order comes after nearly a year of protests that have devolved into violence that resulted in buildings being vandalized, fires being set and violent clashes between demonstrators and law enforcement.

Police fire tear gas at demonstrators during a protest against ICE in Portland, Oregon on January 23, 2021.

The sheriff's office has historically had an opening booking policy, meaning that anyone with a criminal charge could be booked into its jail. That changed with the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, with the agency deciding to restrict jail booking to higher-level crimes in an effort to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 in its correctional institutions.

Local officials have spoken out about the level of chaos happening on Portland streets each night as some groups of demonstrators have engaged in destructive behavior.

"The violence and property destruction we’ve seen in Portland for nearly 11 months is unacceptable," Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt said last week. "As district attorney, I will always defend a person’s right to free speech but I will not defend, nor support anyone who knowingly or recklessly or intentionally destroys property or engages in violence."

Since the changes went into effect, three people have been arrested and booked into jail on second-degree criminal mischief charges, the Oregonian reported. Liedle said the special order is only temporary.

"It's expected that as we round the corner with COVID-19 in the future, open booking will be restored," Liedle said.



Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler said he hopes the changes will stop those who have taken to the streets to set fires, break windows and spray-paint graffiti.

"Once they cross that line and engage in criminal destruction, they are no longer protesters they are criminals," Wheeler said during a Friday afternoon press conference.

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Orion Bailey said:
Seems to me antifa too often provide cover for anarchists.

in a large crowd of protestors mostly being antifa, it will be hard to actually catch anarchists in the act,even with body cams, because of the layers of protection in between.

if im correct it seems this has also been a major Complaint of the police force. Bad cops being protected.

I would think if protestors, antifa, want things to get better and get rid of bad cops and good cops protecting bad cops, they would want to lead by example and separate themselves from the anarchists breaking the law.

But instead, they too often use fascist tactics to rid us of fascism.

seems to me there is a very large double standard here no one is willing to admit to.
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Yes, definitely. If the general population wants police to stop abusing us we should make the criminals stop breaking the law... You are 100% correct! Why didn't we think of this before!?!
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, definitely. If the general population wants police to stop abusing us we should make the criminals stop breaking the law... You are 100% correct! Why didn't we think of this before!?!
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uh no thats not what i said.

nice try though....

groups of people need to hold their own in check. Period. Police need to hold their own in check and Antifa need to hold their own in check.

the argument against that is just silly. And really concerning anyone would put up a fight or push back on that.
If your going to argue this, argue it with someone else. Cause Im just gonna consider your opinion wrong on this.

Two wrongs do not make a right no matter what you try to say to convince me otherwise.

Its wrong of good cops to protect bad cops and its wrong of antifa to protect anarchists.

I question the sanity of anyone opposing this...
 
Again, same 100 rebels taking advantage of legit protest to destroy property, take on the local authorities, and hurt the cause.
 
Orion Bailey said:
uh no thats not what i said.

nice try though....

groups of people need to hold their own in check. Period. Police need to hold their own in check and Antifa need to hold their own in check.

the argument against that is just silly. And really concerning anyone would put up a fight or push back on that.
If your going to argue this, argue it with someone else. Cause Im just gonna consider your opinion wrong on this.

Two wrongs do not make a right no matter what you try to say to convince me otherwise.

Its wrong of good cops to protect bad cops and its wrong of antifa to protect anarchists.

I question the sanity of anyone opposing this...
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I posted this in another thread. I like the concept.

https://www.kcra.com/article/san-joaquin-county-town-welcomes-protesters-coffee-with-a-cop/36305811

San Joaquin County town welcomes protesters to 'Coffee with a Cop'


WOODBRIDGE, Calif. —

While many cities across the country have been trying to discourage protesters from demonstrating in the streets, a community in San Joaquin County is welcoming them.

Just outside of Lodi, the annual Coffee with a Cop event in the town of Woodbridge is scheduled for Saturday, and protesters with Progressive Unity plan on demonstrating there.

"Coffee with a Cop is our opportunity for our citizens to come and sit with our local law enforcement officers of multiple departments in a time of non-crisis," said organizer Terry Wells-Brown.

Officers from the California Highway Patrol, sheriff's office, district attorney's office and other agencies all show up for one-on-one conversations with members of the community.

Wells-Brown said the town has been hosting this annual event since 2015 and it's helped strengthen relationships between the community and law enforcement. But word started circulating about protesters picketing Saturday's event.

"Somebody sent me a flyer that Black Lives Matter were going to be protesting our Coffee with a Cop and we all have seen and heard those images of the bad things that can happen," Wells-Brown said.

Organizers with the protesters and Progressive Unity said the group is not affiliated with the Black Lives Matter or Justice for Breonna Taylor organizations, but stands with those ideals.

Instead of canceling the event, she decided to host the demonstrators as well.

"We can be hospitable, or we can be hostile, and I don't want to be hostile. So, I thought, 'I'm going to welcome them. I hope they come. I want them here. Our businesses need them,'" Wells-Brown said. "The fact is that they have something to say. They need a place to say it."

Community leaders are going to give the protesters a front row spot to demonstrate in front of Woodbridge Florist directly across the street and they're going to provide the protesters with water, coffee, donuts and pizza.

The manager of Oddfellows, the restaurant where the event will be held, said there was no way they were going to cancel.

"The reason we decided to do it was because the community here is so strong and we want to support the community, and the cops are so awesome here that it seems like a no-brainer," said Kaitlyn Joachim.

So this year's event will go on as planned, but with a few welcome changes.

"I'm tired of the fighting. Like, we're all tired of the fighting," said Wells-Brown. "Hopefully, we can bridge some gaps."
 
Orion Bailey said:
uh no thats not what i said.

nice try though....

groups of people need to hold their own in check. Period. Police need to hold their own in check and Antifa need to hold their own in check.

the argument against that is just silly. And really concerning anyone would put up a fight or push back on that.
If your going to argue this, argue it with someone else. Cause Im just gonna consider your opinion wrong on this.

Two wrongs do not make a right no matter what you try to say to convince me otherwise.

Its wrong of good cops to protect bad cops and its wrong of antifa to protect anarchists.

I question the sanity of anyone opposing this...
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So you didn't dispute anything I just said. You're expecting the general population to prevent criminals from committing crimes.

Then no need for police at these events, right? Just as well cut their funding and spend the money other places to help the general population control themselves better.

That's the argument you're making.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
So you didn't dispute anything I just said. You're expecting the general population to prevent criminals from committing crimes.

Then no need for police at these events, right? Just as well cut their funding and spend the money other places to help the general population control themselves better.

That's the argument you're making.
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No need to dispute anything when you cant differentiate the word “protect” from “prevent.” No where did i say citizens should prevent crimes.

Nice try though.
 
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