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jonnyboy said:
I love how far out of context you and the crew have pulled my original statement FAMS!

Never claimed I spoke for the whole country, I said I’m PART of the rest of the country, along with plenty of others I know across the country, and in Oregon. The unanimous consensus seems to be that Portland looks like a total shit show right now. I’m glad it’s only 10 blocks downtown and I’m glad you can take a walk and spend time with your family, honestly. But those 10 blocks are making the whole city look real bad, it’s just the truth. It’s unfortunate too because Portland is hands down one of the coolest places in this country and there are really great people there, and I loved growing up out there and wouldn’t trade it for anything. There are absolutely legit causes people are protesting for but all the extra-curricular bullshit is hurting those causes, not helping them. I don’t know of a single person, not even in hick ass Wyoming, that thinks what happened to George Floyd was even remotely acceptable for any reason. But when people see all the burning and looting shit they retract away because they don’t know what groups or causes are actually legit or doing things for a good reason. They just say fuck it and turn off the news. A lot of support from all sides is getting pissed away at the hands of rioters and shitheads.
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I speak for all dogs.
 
jonnyboy said:
Oh jeezus I was speaking generally. I wasn’t trying to oppress or exclude whatever groups you may be a part of, I don’t know anything about you.
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Nothing to do with any group I am part of. You said no one cares about what is going on. When several people pointed out this is headline news you said that is just media shoveling shit (as opposed to just reporting news) and not some elect "us" that apparently only you part of that really doesn't care.
 
Minstrel said:
There are no winners in this. I'd rather you addressed what I asked you/pointed out to you in the first post that started all...this. But I'm fine with dropping it, if you're that desperate to avoid justifying what you said.
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I went back and read a number of posts between you cats. That said, do I believe what's going on in Portland is relative mainstream activity (or mainstream supported)? It occurred to me that what @jonnyboy was alluding to is that this crap going on in Portland is not OK with the majority of the country, including many on the left. And, if so, I agree with that sentiment. It's been over, like, what? 7 weeks? And what has been accomplished during that time. I mean, really?

Who knows how long this crap will last in the Rose City, but it ain't right..

https://www.reporter.am/rep-collins...bly-needs-to-step-down-amid-violence-in-city/
 
ABM said:
I went back and read a number of posts between you cats. That said, do I believe what's going on in Portland is relative mainstream activity (or mainstream supported)? It occurred to me that what @jonnyboy was alluding to is that this crap going on in Portland is not OK with the majority of the country, including many on the left. And, if so, I agree with that sentiment. It's been over, like, what? 7 weeks? And what has been accomplished during that time. I mean, really?

Who knows how long this crap will last in the Rose City, but it ain't right..

https://www.reporter.am/rep-collins...bly-needs-to-step-down-amid-violence-in-city/
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Nothing wrong with the protesting and I believe it comes from what Rep. John Lewis described as when you see something morally wrong, don't just sit there, get up and do something (I'm paraphrasing). Okay, the protestors see something morally wrong and they don't want to just give up on letting people know how strongly they feel about it. Now, I'm talking about the protestors and pointedly not about the rioters who ought to be ticketed or jailed depending on the severity of their action. People who draw graffiti I would just let go. This is not a big deal compared with burning, looting, breaking.
 
ABM said:
I went back and read a number of posts between you cats. That said, do I believe what's going on in Portland is relative mainstream activity (or mainstream supported)? It occurred to me that what @jonnyboy was alluding to is that this crap going on in Portland is not OK with the majority of the country, including many on the left. And, if so, I agree with that sentiment. It's been over, like, what? 7 weeks? And what has been accomplished during that time. I mean, really?

Who knows how long this crap will last in the Rose City, but it ain't right..

https://www.reporter.am/rep-collins...bly-needs-to-step-down-amid-violence-in-city/
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I genuinely get what you are saying. And I agree that for the most part, the protests in Portland have outlived their “usefulness“ (though as past history has shown time and time and time again, if we don’t continuously hold a mirror up to ourselves, things always go back to the old “normal”). Portland would not be receiving nowhere near the attention it is being given if Trump hadn’t sent his goon squad here for nothing more than pure political theater. His actions have made a bad situation exponentially worse. Portland is responding EXACTLY how he want’s it to. He is playing to the “heartland” (now THERE’S a misnomer) by stirring up a hornets nest in one of the more liberal cities in the US, in one of the most solidly blue states in the union (another misnomer). He won’t lose a thing in Oregon by being a dictator. He chose to take a cowards way out, rather than acting like the leader his position requires.

Yes, the protests need to “readjust” so that actual progress can be made by the people/organizations being sent the message. But Trump can’t afford that right now with the election coming on. And his shock troops aren’t doing anything whatsoever to make things better. Which is EXACTLY what he intended.
 
Trump is more about creating a narrative, and faking things so they match it, and less so about actually fixing things and doing what needs to be done.

He's a con man and people fell for it. And anyone who still is falling for it, is a numpty.
 
Hoopguru said:
Watch what happens when the Feds leave though, as Wheeler will let them continue to destroy public property and effect business's downtown.
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So you're cool with rando dudes in camo driving up in unmarked cars with no identification just grabbing people and stuffing them in cars. Right on.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I genuinely get what you are saying. And I agree that for the most part, the protests in Portland have outlived their “usefulness“ (though as past history has shown time and time and time again, if we don’t continuously hold a mirror up to ourselves, things always go back to the old “normal”). Portland would not be receiving nowhere near the attention it is being given if Trump hadn’t sent his goon squad here for nothing more than pure political theater. His actions have made a bad situation exponentially worse. Portland is responding EXACTLY how he want’s it to. He is playing to the “heartland” (now THERE’S a misnomer) by stirring up a hornets nest in one of the more liberal cities in the US, in one of the most solidly blue states in the union (another misnomer). He won’t lose a thing in Oregon by being a dictator. He chose to take a cowards way out, rather than acting like the leader his position requires.

Yes, the protests need to “readjust” so that actual progress can be made by the people/organizations being sent the message. But Trump can’t afford that right now with the election coming on. And his shock troops aren’t doing anything whatsoever to make things better. Which is EXACTLY what he intended.
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On a side note, I was thinking back and LaSalle had two pitchers around 1971-72 that were getting some press and I can't recall their names. Do you know who I might be talking about? We played a Legion summer game(1971) at Walker Stadium and in 72 we played them at LaSalle.
 
President Trump Has Reenergized Portland’s Protests
By Aaron Mesh | By Alex Wittwer |
President Donald Trump deployed federal police to Portland to quell six weeks of protests. He has achieved the opposite effect.

The crowds gathering outside downtown courthouses on July 18 and 19 were as large as any Portland has seen in the past month. The crowd also appeared significantly older than at any previous demonstration.

That's in no small part because reports of aggressive tactics by federal officers—including shooting a protester in the face with a munition, detaining people in rental vans, and tear gassing a county commissioner—have galvanized residents of this city to confront what they see as a military occupation.



On Sunday night, hundreds of people returned—led by a "wall of moms" who pledged to place their bodies between the feds and young protesters.

A line of yellow shirts—mothers of all ages—stood outside the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, linking arms, kicking their legs in a chorus line, and joining in chants that decried the U.S. Federal Protective Service.

Edie, a Portland mother expecting a grandchild, said the sight of federal police using tear gas on moms July 18 outraged her. (She declined to give her last name.)

"The wall of moms were in white yesterday, and they were tear gassed and shoved," she said. "So we came in yellow today. and we're alongside the fence telling them: 'Feds go home, the moms are here.'

Edie continued: "The more the police use war crimes, crimes against humanity, anti-democratic [actions], having police take over the three branches of government—legislative, executive and judicial—and prevent the freedom of press, that makes people who have never come out before get angry. We moms say, 'You're not gonna hurt our kids.'"

The renewed energy and wide coalition of this weekend's protests mark a change from when Trump ordered a task force led by the Department of Homeland Security into Portland on June 29. By then, nightly crowds had dwindled to numbers around 100, mostly consisting of devoted leftists and curious onlookers. Reopened barrooms had replaced protests as a cultural hub for some people.

No longer. Some activists, locked in a war with the Portland Police Bureau, continue seeking confrontations with local cops. (One group marched to police union headquarters Saturday night, and someone set a fire inside the building.) But much of the civic and national ire is now focused on the president's men.

On Sunday, as on the previous two nights, federal police responded with copious quantities of tear gas, shrouding downtown in a noxious fog. It's unclear whether gassing larger and larger crowds is satisfying the president's aims.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/20/president-trump-has-reenergized-portlands-protests/
 
Not just in Portland anymore.

Columbus ‘paramilitary’ police with assault weapons jump out of unmarked vans to abduct protester

Police in Columbus, Ohio were caught on video throwing a protester into an unmarked van and driving away.

Multiple videos posted to social media on Wednesday show unmarked vans stopping near a group of protesters.

Men in jeans and SWAT vests jump out of the vans holding assault-style rifles.

“Stay back!” one officer orders protesters as they search for an apparent suspect.

Another officer can be seem holding a can of pepper spray.

Moments later, a presumed protester is forced into one of the vans before the vehicles drive away.​
 
The Professional Fan said:
So you're cool with rando dudes in camo driving up in unmarked cars with no identification just grabbing people and stuffing them in cars. Right on.
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Hate it, not cool at all, but because the Mayor hasnt gone after the separate organize group thats focuses in on destruction Old Yeller sent in his custom agents. A city/state needs to police itself.
 
Minstrel said:
Not just in Portland anymore.

Columbus ‘paramilitary’ police with assault weapons jump out of unmarked vans to abduct protester

Police in Columbus, Ohio were caught on video throwing a protester into an unmarked van and driving away.

Multiple videos posted to social media on Wednesday show unmarked vans stopping near a group of protesters.

Men in jeans and SWAT vests jump out of the vans holding assault-style rifles.

“Stay back!” one officer orders protesters as they search for an apparent suspect.

Another officer can be seem holding a can of pepper spray.

Moments later, a presumed protester is forced into one of the vans before the vehicles drive away.​
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This kind of thing is typical of dictatorships and banana republics. That said, it's becoming pretty clear that there are two separate things going on in our cities: legitimate protest and the trouble-maker violence types who are lashing out at police and government in general. I do wonder what the correct way is for police to handle arresting identified ring leaders in violent mob situations. As a caveat, let me be clear that I have no first hand knowledge of the degree of violence in either the Columbus or Portland situations or whether they warranted police needing to make arrests. But, assuming that they did, how should police handle those situations? If they come out in mass force, lots of people are likely to get hurt and it's also likely that their targets are going to get away. The same would be true if they came in marked police vehicles. I'd say that the tactics the Feds are using are intended to allow them to make arrests with the least probability of major confrontations, but the optics are horrible.
 
e_blazer said:
This kind of thing is typical of dictatorships and banana republics. That said, it's becoming pretty clear that there are two separate things going on in our cities: legitimate protest and the trouble-maker violence types who are lashing out at police and government in general. I do wonder what the correct way is for police to handle arresting identified ring leaders in violent mob situations. As a caveat, let me be clear that I have no first hand knowledge of the degree of violence in either the Columbus or Portland situations or whether they warranted police needing to make arrests. But, assuming that they did, how should police handle those situations? If they come out in mass force, lots of people are likely to get hurt and it's also likely that their targets are going to get away. The same would be true if they came in marked police vehicles. I'd say that the tactics the Feds are using are intended to allow them to make arrests with the least probability of major confrontations, but the optics are horrible.
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Local police have the right and authority to arrest those breaking the law and I have no problem with that as long as it's being done in the appropriate manner. Unmarked private federal police do not have that authority as like usual, trump extends his power beyond the law. They definitely don't have the right to essentially abduct protesters and detain them especially when they don;t even tell the people what they are being arrested for and who they are and under what authority they are operating under. We are not a police state and not under a dictatorship regardless of what trump thinks his power is.
 
Hoopguru said:
Hate it, not cool at all, but because the Mayor hasnt gone after the separate organize group thats focuses in on destruction Old Yeller sent in his custom agents. A city/state needs to police itself.
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I agree, however, maybe send in some people with visible credentials. That's all I'm saying.
 
e_blazer said:
This kind of thing is typical of dictatorships and banana republics. That said, it's becoming pretty clear that there are two separate things going on in our cities: legitimate protest and the trouble-maker violence types who are lashing out at police and government in general. I do wonder what the correct way is for police to handle arresting identified ring leaders in violent mob situations. As a caveat, let me be clear that I have no first hand knowledge of the degree of violence in either the Columbus or Portland situations or whether they warranted police needing to make arrests. But, assuming that they did, how should police handle those situations? If they come out in mass force, lots of people are likely to get hurt and it's also likely that their targets are going to get away. The same would be true if they came in marked police vehicles. I'd say that the tactics the Feds are using are intended to allow them to make arrests with the least probability of major confrontations, but the optics are horrible.
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agree. Ive heard that the ones being thrown into vehicles have been targeted and identified. Like the FBI coming in holding/and pressuring people to fess up or turn states evidence.
 
https://blackrosefed.org/locals/portland/

read their mission statement. As long as there are anarchist groups that want to tear down America/Capitalism as we know it, by any means necessary and being part of this of the destruction and violence that hurt innocent people and business, there will be push back.
 
Hoopguru said:
agree. Ive heard that the ones being thrown into vehicles have been targeted and identified. Like the FBI coming in holding/and pressuring people to fess up or turn states evidence.
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Some of them are extractions of their undercover officers.

Feds conduct surveillance from courthouse, analyze social media videos, post undercover agents in crowds, records show

Federal officers have conducted surveillance of protesters from upper floors of the downtown Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse, analyzed live nightly video footage and posted undercover agents among crowds to arrest people on allegations ranging from shining lasers at officers to breaking plywood protecting courthouse doors, federal records reveal.

Federal officers also have shared some of their information with Portland police officers, who assisted them in at least one arrest earlier this month, the documents disclose.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...undercover-agents-in-crowds-records-show.html
 
A couple hours ago I went to gas up at Costco Clackamas and on Sunnybrook Rd. there were approx. 10-12 adults with signs stating "Support local law Enforcement", I did honk as I went by in support.
 
Donald Trump REJECTS Portland mayor's demand to get remove federal law enforcement and instead sends MORE officers claiming Oregon's leaders were 'scared crazy' - as he threatens to 'do something' in Chicago and New York
  • President Donald called Portland protests 'out of control' and defended the use of federal law enforcement oficers
  • He vowed to 'do something' in New York and Chicago
  • He described protesters as 'anarchists,' and called the deployed officers 'leaders' after a group of protesting mothers were dispersed with gas
  • Said if his rival Joe Biden were elected 'the whole country would go to hell'
  • Portland has seen nearly two months of protests since George Floyd died under the knee of Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin on May 25
  • On Saturday, a 'Wall of Moms' protest was formed outside federal courthouse. Witnesses said the moms were teargassed by federal agents during the protest
  • Despite being teargassed Saturday, the moms showed up to protest again on Sunday
  • Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler said federal officers 'are not wanted here. We haven't asked them here. In fact, we want them to leave,' he said Sunday
  • But federal officials said Monday they will 'maintain' their presence in Portland
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rs-demand-remove-federal-law-enforcement.html
 
Hoopguru said:
Hate it, not cool at all, but because the Mayor hasnt gone after the separate organize group thats focuses in on destruction Old Yeller sent in his custom agents. A city/state needs to police itself.
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So you blame the city for the president becoming a dictator because

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A building or

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A statue.

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. I dont want a dictatorship in any environment.
 
85% of Portland is fine. We need to keep focusing on that.
 
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