What's the best we could get for CJ and Nurk?

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Every time the team gets into a rut I blow it up in my mind. Obviously, just about everyone on here does that. But thinking about what we can get for just CJ is too depressing. (I used to think Philly could use him, but they got Seth Curry. Then I thought the Knicks would like a star, but turns out all they needed was Thibs. Then I thought maybe Orlando, but they've blown it up already. So maybe the best bet is the Rockets? Maybe we can get a few of their picks. Or perhaps Horford and some picks from OKC... but I digress.) But what about CJ and Nurk? It pains me to contemplate this, because Nurk is my fave center since the Mighty Sabas (except for maybe Oden for about the week he was healthy and producing), but the fact remains that
(a) nobody's going to offer us anything great for just CJ, but
(b) Nurk could look like a real bargain to somebody, but
(c) Nurk just seems to be injury-prone and not the Nurk of Old any more

Now, of course nobody wants to trade a superstar for two non-superstars, but the fact remains that it happens remarkably often (think Jeff Hornacek. Andrew Lang and Tim Perry for Charles Barkley, or whatever the Nets gave up for Harden). What do people think the best haul we could get for that pair would be?

Talking of the Nets, I think that perhaps the likeliest star we could land would be Kyrie. He's not even their PG now (that's Harden) and they landed him before they got Harden and CJ might be at least as valuable to them as their third-string guy, and less of a headache. But we've had enough undersized guards (and part of the point of this would be to convince Powell to stay as our full-time SG).

Would Giannis ever demand out of Milwaukee? Mayyyybe. They seem to be underachieving, and he's actually a star who might not seek a big market above all, a rare thing indeed. But didn't he just sign an extension? I think even if he wanted to leave, the Bucks would beg him to give them one more chance to build round him. And you know EVERYONE would have a package to offer for him.

One player I really rate as a sort of poor-man's Kawhi is Jaylen Brown. He's always been a great defender (wouldn't THAT be a pleasant change!) but has transformed into a great offensive player, too. But Boston would have to move Kemba as well, because I doubt they'd want a Walker-McCollum backcourt. And dealing with Ainge is always tricky.

Of course Ben Simmons is always the dream, and it's pretty clear that Philly's path forward is building the best supporting cast around Embiid, and while Simmons refuses to shoot threes... But Nurk would be wasted on being Embiid's backup, and Embiid would probably not like all the extra work that having a sieve like CJ in the backcourt would bring him.

Thoughts? To take our mind off the impending quick exit from (or lack of entrance to) the postseason.
 
McCollum, Nurk, Collins for Siakam, Anunoby, Baynes
Yeah, I thought of Siakam just because of those rumors that he was unhappy in Toronto. But, while Toronto is used to an undersized backcourt, one of them was defensive tank Kyle Lowry - I don't know if they'd be happy trotting out a VanVleet-McCollum pairing. And I think they'd want to keep Anunoby, wouldn't they?
But hey, it would be a nice reunion for Powell...
 
Nurk is not that valuable. Slow, can't finish at the rim, no outside shot, poor ball handler, poor health. I dont think any contender would start him. CJ is an elite shot creator and maker but has been spoiled by Stotts and given cart blanch to shoot at will. I dont think many coaches and teammates would like that. He would have to change and become more disciplined in shot selection.

His close friend is the leader of the team. What happens when that is taken away?
 
I think we should find a way to flip CJ to NY for their cap space and some young assets (Quickly), send the young assets to a third team, and get a few vets. It seems like a better use of our resources than trying to land another star. I think if we bring back Powell, could shore up our defense, and bring in a real backup PG (or distributor) we may be in better shape than expected next year (assuming a healthy year).

Vets to look at

Demar Derozan - we could surround him with shooters and basically let him run a drive n kick offense while Dame is out. Obviously a different coach than Terry would get the most out of him.
Rubio - he could provide a solid 25 mpg next to Dame and Powell, and he can guard 2/3s well.
Cory Joseph - he's the pick if we're banking on Ant's development, plays D, no-nonsense, familiar with Powell.

If swinging for the fences, I think you see if there's any way to turn CJ into Larry Nance or Myles Turner. I don't think those teams would be interested in CJ with their young talent, but maybe there's a 3-way somehow. I just don't know who wants to commit to CJ. He may fit well in Philly, but I doubt we want to commit to Tobias Harris (even though his on-court fit would be excellent, that contract :NOTMARIS:)
 
nothing would make me more happier than to see nurk out of portland in order to reach his potential that is being wasted here

maybe that could happen with a new coach, but how likely is that stotts gets fired

i dont whos to blame, stotts or nurk, but nurk is playing like a role player this season
 
Nurk is not that valuable. Slow, can't finish at the rim, no outside shot, poor ball handler, poor health. I dont think any contender would start him. CJ is an elite shot creator and maker but has been spoiled by Stotts and given cart blanch to shoot at will. I dont think many coaches and teammates would like that. He would have to change and become more disciplined in shot selection.

His close friend is the leader of the team. What happens when that is taken away?
dame said ed davis is his favorite teammate hes ever played with and ed davis got traded, so nothing happened

 
CJ for Hayward is the deal I think could happen. Straight across works.
 
I think we should find a way to flip CJ to NY for their cap space and some young assets (Quickly), send the young assets to a third team, and get a few vets. It seems like a better use of our resources than trying to land another star. I think if we bring back Powell, could shore up our defense, and bring in a real backup PG (or distributor) we may be in better shape than expected next year (assuming a healthy year).

Vets to look at

Demar Derozan - we could surround him with shooters and basically let him run a drive n kick offense while Dame is out. Obviously a different coach than Terry would get the most out of him.
Rubio - he could provide a solid 25 mpg next to Dame and Powell, and he can guard 2/3s well.
Cory Joseph - he's the pick if we're banking on Ant's development, plays D, no-nonsense, familiar with Powell.

If swinging for the fences, I think you see if there's any way to turn CJ into Larry Nance or Myles Turner. I don't think those teams would be interested in CJ with their young talent, but maybe there's a 3-way somehow. I just don't know who wants to commit to CJ. He may fit well in Philly, but I doubt we want to commit to Tobias Harris (even though his on-court fit would be excellent, that contract :NOTMARIS:)
Turner would be fantastic, as long as you had a follow up trade for Nurk.
Harris' contract is terrible, but the difference between CJ and Tobias is ~$5M/yr. The extra 15% cost would be worth it given the much better fit.
 
His close friend is the leader of the team. What happens when that is taken away?
Your question is unclear. Do you mean what will happen to CJ when he goes to a new team or what will happen with Dame if his friend is traded?
If the former, I guarantee CJ will put up at least as good stats as here, especially if he goes to somewhere like the Rockets. If the latter, as other people have pointed out, Dame's buddies get traded ALL THE TIME. In fact, it's almost a running joke.
 
I think we should find a way to flip CJ to NY for their cap space and some young assets (Quickly), send the young assets to a third team, and get a few vets. It seems like a better use of our resources than trying to land another star. I think if we bring back Powell, could shore up our defense, and bring in a real backup PG (or distributor) we may be in better shape than expected next year (assuming a healthy year).

Vets to look at

Demar Derozan - we could surround him with shooters and basically let him run a drive n kick offense while Dame is out. Obviously a different coach than Terry would get the most out of him.
Rubio - he could provide a solid 25 mpg next to Dame and Powell, and he can guard 2/3s well.
Cory Joseph - he's the pick if we're banking on Ant's development, plays D, no-nonsense, familiar with Powell.

If swinging for the fences, I think you see if there's any way to turn CJ into Larry Nance or Myles Turner. I don't think those teams would be interested in CJ with their young talent, but maybe there's a 3-way somehow. I just don't know who wants to commit to CJ. He may fit well in Philly, but I doubt we want to commit to Tobias Harris (even though his on-court fit would be excellent, that contract :NOTMARIS:)
Why trade for vets who aren't as good as CJ? Either upgrade or rebuild!
 
Turner would be fantastic, as long as you had a follow up trade for Nurk.
Harris' contract is terrible, but the difference between CJ and Tobias is ~$5M/yr. The extra 15% cost would be worth it given the much better fit.

I actually think Turner and Nurk could play next to each other (especially with Nurk's high-post offense and injury issues). Turner could play 20 mpg at center (Nurk off the floor, 5 out) and 12 mpg with Nurk as a stretch-4 and weak side shot blocker. I'm sure Indiana would demand Roco, but if we could keep him and let him guard on the perimeter more I think we'd be nasty.
 
Why trade for vets who aren't as good as CJ? Either upgrade or rebuild!

I didn't mean to list those as trade targets. I think we'd try to move CJ for assets. With the full MLE we may have room to grab Derozan or Joseph. Rubio would be a trade target but hopefully we'd have something else coming back. The idea being that even though CJ > Rubio, the improvements you'd see on team defense, setting up players like Nas, and letting Dame play off the ball more often would be worth it.
 
CJ for Hayward is the deal I think could happen. Straight across works.
They already have 4 good guards in Monk, Graham, Ball, and Rozier. Why would they trade a forward for a 5th?
 
Since this is another CJ trade thread now... I will say that I think the Knicks would give up Quickley and they're 2021 draft picks (their first, the Mavs first, the Piston's second and their second) for CJ, if their rumored interest in CJ earlier this season was legit. They would actually still have enough cap space to sign a max player to go with CJ and the five players including Randle and Robinson they have under contract.

I don't want all of that young talent but the Raptors might. So CJ to the Knicks and Siakam to us might just make sense for all three teams.
 
Since this is another CJ trade thread now... I will say that I think the Knicks would give up Quickley and they're 2021 draft picks (their first, the Mavs first, the Piston's second and their second) for CJ, if their rumored interest in CJ earlier this season was legit. They would actually still have enough cap space to sign a max player to go with CJ and the five players including Randle and Robinson they have under contract.

I don't want all of that young talent but the Raptors might. So CJ to the Knicks and Siakam to us might just make sense for all three teams.

Maybe we could snag Boucher as well. He doesn't fit their timeline.
 
They already have 4 good guards in Monk, Graham, Ball, and Rozier. Why would they trade a forward for a 5th?
They probably wouldn't but no doubt CJ would be all star material in the East and he's a marketing pull. He's create's mid range shots as well as many guards in the league.
The guys you mention are all very small Graham I believe plays PG mostly? Rosier is 6'1 & Monk 6'3. Im not sure any of those three can score with CJ? Im pulling this out my rear?
 
Would Indy be into CJ and Nurk for Brogdon and Turner???

I know I would like that for us. If did that deal and fired Stotts, I bet we could bring back Norm... we might even be able to get DJ to pick up his player option. I would give Dame his 36 or so minutes in the back court and split the other 60 between Norm and Brogdon. That would be a nice back court. I it all went down that way, we'd have a rotation like Dame, Norm, DJ, RoCo, Turner, Brogdon, MLE, Nas, and Enes. That would be a lot better than what we're working with now.
 
They probably wouldn't but no doubt CJ would be all star material in the East....

James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Ben Simmons
Khris Middleton
Trae Young
Jalen Brown
Jaysun Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook
Zach Lavine
Malcolm Brogdon

Colin Sexton
DeVonte' Graham
Lamelo Ball

I'm not sure why it would be an easier path to the all-star game for CJ in the east
 
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James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Ben Simmons
Khris Middleton
Trae Young
Jalen Brown
Jaysun Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook
Zach Lavine
Malcolm Brogdon

Colin Sexton
DeVonte' Graham
Lamelo Ball

I'm not sure why it would be an easier path to the all-star game for CJ in the east
Dont discount CJ marketing ability on the East Coast especially if he can shoot 23 plus times a game. I get your point though.
Your right it would be easy, but w/o being Dames side kick and if he was on a team where they gave him the green light, coupled with his marketability you never know.
He plays for a small market team now and is second fiddle and he's fairly well known. Imagine if he was in Chicago or the Knicks?
 
James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Ben Simmons
Khris Middleton
Trae Young
Jalen Brown
Jaysun Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook
Zach Lavine
Malcolm Brogdon

Colin Sexton
DeVonte' Graham
Lamelo Ball

I'm not sure why it would be an easier path to the all-star game for CJ in the east

They NBA is all about marketing with few teams that contend but many flashy players that the league markets.
 
No I mean what happens to CJ's style when he is on a new team. How many all-star level players are going to sit by and watch him do iso-ball night after night? Dame is ok with it and has indicated that when he is ok with CJ jacking up shots since they are like brothers. Not a lot of players would be so generous if it costs them touches.
 

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