What's the best we could get for CJ and Nurk?

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blazerkor said:
Since this is another CJ trade thread now... I will say that I think the Knicks would give up Quickley and they're 2021 draft picks (their first, the Mavs first, the Piston's second and their second) for CJ, if their rumored interest in CJ earlier this season was legit. They would actually still have enough cap space to sign a max player to go with CJ and the five players including Randle and Robinson they have under contract.

I don't want all of that young talent but the Raptors might. So CJ to the Knicks and Siakam to us might just make sense for all three teams.
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Knicks wouldn't give up all that for CJ. That's 1 good prospect + 2 firsts.
That's an overpay for them.
 
Hoopguru said:
Dont discount CJ marketing ability on the East Coast especially if he can shoot 23 plus times a game. I get your point though.
Your right it would be easy, but w/o being Dames side kick and if he was on a team where they gave him the green light, coupled with his marketability you never know.
He plays for a small market team now and is second fiddle and he's fairly well known. Imagine if he was in Chicago or the Knicks?
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Scoring 25PPG on 24 shots, with a 0.25 winning percentage. :ghoti:
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Porzingis is probably gettable, but he's even more of an injury risk than Nurk, and I don't know if I could handle CJ on the Mavs.
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I listen to A LOT of Dallas sports talk radio, and he's definitely gettable despite what Nelson/Cuban say in public. Dallas and Portland are like sister teams. Basically, two really talented players with flaws surrounded by a bunch of middling players and guys starting who shouldn't be starters. What's interesting is Carlisle is considered a top 5 coach, and he can't get that team to respond much differently than Stotts does with Portland. Although, granted, Dallas plays elite competition tougher than Portland does maybe because they have good size. Anyway, there are rumblings that Luka and KP aren't getting along, so, yeah, I think KP is definitely gettable. It's not like Dallas paid through the roof to get him, so they may be more quick to dispose him. That said, I don't think our fanbase and KP is a match made to last long.
 
Drttimmy said:
I listen to A LOT of Dallas sports talk radio, and he's definitely gettable despite what Nelson/Cuban say in public. Dallas and Portland are like sister teams. Basically, two really talented players with flaws surrounded by a bunch of middling players and guys starting who shouldn't be starters. What's interesting is Carlisle is considered a top 5 coach, and he can't get that team to respond much differently than Stotts does with Portland. Although, granted, Dallas plays elite competition tougher than Portland does maybe because they have good size. Anyway, there are rumblings that Luka and KP aren't getting along, so, yeah, I think KP is definitely gettable. It's not like Dallas paid through the roof to get him, so they may be more quick to dispose him. That said, I don't think our fanbase and KP is a match made to last long.
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Carlisle is a good coach, but I wouldn't have him top 5. Most likely a top 15 coach (slightly above average).

KP would be interesting on this team... We'd finally be able to field a team that didn't feel like we are significantly undersized all the time.
Dame, Norm, RoCo, KP, Nurk
 
im not sure if nurk and porzingis would have better chemistry on or off the court (if you know what i mean)
 
Cugel said:
No I mean what happens to CJ's style when he is on a new team. How many all-star level players are going to sit by and watch him do iso-ball night after night? Dame is ok with it and has indicated that when he is ok with CJ jacking up shots since they are like brothers. Not a lot of players would be so generous if it costs them touches.
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If this were the case then Iverson and Westbrook would have been loathed by their teammates, but by all accounts they're pretty much universally beloved. Sometimes it's good to have the burden on somebody else's shoulders, even if it's taking shots.
 
Hoopguru said:
Dont discount CJ marketing ability on the East Coast especially if he can shoot 23 plus times a game. I get your point though.
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more than 23 shots a game? Beal leads NBA this season at 22.6....and he plays for a crappy team. CJ would have to be the best player on a team to get anywhere close to 23 shots, and a team with CJ as best player isn't going to be a playoff team
 
Not happening since they are Dame’s friends. We are stuck with them with Stotts
 
DDolla said:
Not happening since they are Dame’s friends. We are stuck with them with Stotts
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Dame was friends with Batum and he got traded; was a good friend of Will Barton and he got traded; was a good friend of Plumlee and he got traded; was a good friend of Tim Frazier and he got waived; was a good friend of Ed Davis and he was allowed to walk without an offer; was a friend of Hood and he just got traded

I think this narrative that Dame's friends don't get traded or waived is myth
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Every time the team gets into a rut I blow it up in my mind. Obviously, just about everyone on here does that. But thinking about what we can get for just CJ is too depressing. (I used to think Philly could use him, but they got Seth Curry. Then I thought the Knicks would like a star, but turns out all they needed was Thibs. Then I thought maybe Orlando, but they've blown it up already. So maybe the best bet is the Rockets? Maybe we can get a few of their picks. Or perhaps Horford and some picks from OKC... but I digress.) But what about CJ and Nurk? It pains me to contemplate this, because Nurk is my fave center since the Mighty Sabas (except for maybe Oden for about the week he was healthy and producing), but the fact remains that
(a) nobody's going to offer us anything great for just CJ, but
(b) Nurk could look like a real bargain to somebody, but
(c) Nurk just seems to be injury-prone and not the Nurk of Old any more

Now, of course nobody wants to trade a superstar for two non-superstars, but the fact remains that it happens remarkably often (think Jeff Hornacek. Andrew Lang and Tim Perry for Charles Barkley, or whatever the Nets gave up for Harden). What do people think the best haul we could get for that pair would be?

Talking of the Nets, I think that perhaps the likeliest star we could land would be Kyrie. He's not even their PG now (that's Harden) and they landed him before they got Harden and CJ might be at least as valuable to them as their third-string guy, and less of a headache. But we've had enough undersized guards (and part of the point of this would be to convince Powell to stay as our full-time SG).

Would Giannis ever demand out of Milwaukee? Mayyyybe. They seem to be underachieving, and he's actually a star who might not seek a big market above all, a rare thing indeed. But didn't he just sign an extension? I think even if he wanted to leave, the Bucks would beg him to give them one more chance to build round him. And you know EVERYONE would have a package to offer for him.

One player I really rate as a sort of poor-man's Kawhi is Jaylen Brown. He's always been a great defender (wouldn't THAT be a pleasant change!) but has transformed into a great offensive player, too. But Boston would have to move Kemba as well, because I doubt they'd want a Walker-McCollum backcourt. And dealing with Ainge is always tricky.

Of course Ben Simmons is always the dream, and it's pretty clear that Philly's path forward is building the best supporting cast around Embiid, and while Simmons refuses to shoot threes... But Nurk would be wasted on being Embiid's backup, and Embiid would probably not like all the extra work that having a sieve like CJ in the backcourt would bring him.

Thoughts? To take our mind off the impending quick exit from (or lack of entrance to) the postseason.
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All the Knicks need is Thibs? So the Knicks are good? We have a better record than them and everyone here says we suck.
 
wizenheimer said:
James Harden
Kyrie Irving
Ben Simmons
Khris Middleton
Trae Young
Jalen Brown
Jaysun Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook
Zach Lavine
Malcolm Brogdon

Colin Sexton
DeVonte' Graham
Lamelo Ball

I'm not sure why it would be an easier path to the all-star game for CJ in the east
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East guards with a better PER than CJ:

James Harden
Bradley Beal
Zach Lavine
Kyrie Irving
Trae Young

That’s it. There are usually 6 guards on an All Star team. I also think a CJ-led East team would be better than the Bulls. So there’s that. I also think as the #1 option, he’d have a higher PER.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
All the Knicks need is Thibs? So the Knicks are good? We have a better record than them and everyone here says we suck.
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It is not where you are (record) but the direction you are headed. The Knicks are currently on the up escalator whereas the Blazers are on the down escalator.

Remember the physics uncertainty principle-you can either know where an object is (point-in-time) or you can tell the direction it is headed.

As we head toward the playoffs the Blazers are in a path to the play-in or missing altogether. The Knicks are looking stronger and more competitive. We may have the better record now but if you follow the trajectory of both teams, won’t stay that way.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
It is not where you are (record) but the direction you are headed. The Knicks are currently on the up escalator whereas the Blazers are on the down escalator.

Remember the physics uncertainty principle-you can either know where an object is (point-in-time) or you can tell the direction it is headed.

As we head toward the playoffs the Blazers are in a path to the play-in or missing altogether. The Knicks are looking stronger and more competitive. We may have the better record now but if you follow the trajectory of both teams, won’t stay that way.
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Umm we were 35-39 last year. At 32-26 with all the injuries, and playing more competitively against good teams and the defense improving, I’d say we’re in the up escalator too. Knicks are in easier conference too.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
It is not where you are (record) but the direction you are headed. The Knicks are currently on the up escalator whereas the Blazers are on the down escalator.

Remember the physics uncertainty principle-you can either know where an object is (point-in-time) or you can tell the direction it is headed.

As we head toward the playoffs the Blazers are in a path to the play-in or missing altogether. The Knicks are looking stronger and more competitive. We may have the better record now but if you follow the trajectory of both teams, won’t stay that way.
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And how do you have us “missing altogether”? Pelicans have 7 more losses than us and we own the tiebreaker. There is zero chance we “miss altogether.”
 
KSF-ERIC said:
And how do you have us “missing altogether”? Pelicans have 7 more losses than us and we own the tiebreaker. There is zero chance we “miss altogether.”
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That sucks. Luckily the worst coach we have ever had, Terry stotts, and our worst GM this team has ever had, Neil Olshey, will be gone after we lose in the playoffs because of them. Then we will finally have a chance to win a championship. Can't wait!
 
blazerkor said:
Would Indy be into CJ and Nurk for Brogdon and Turner???

I know I would like that for us. If did that deal and fired Stotts, I bet we could bring back Norm... we might even be able to get DJ to pick up his player option. I would give Dame his 36 or so minutes in the back court and split the other 60 between Norm and Brogdon. That would be a nice back court. I it all went down that way, we'd have a rotation like Dame, Norm, DJ, RoCo, Turner, Brogdon, MLE, Nas, and Enes. That would be a lot better than what we're working with now.
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Nope
 
KSF-ERIC said:
East guards with a better PER than CJ:

James Harden
Bradley Beal
Zach Lavine
Kyrie Irving
Trae Young

That’s it. There are usually 6 guards on an All Star team. I also think a CJ-led East team would be better than the Bulls. So there’s that. I also think as the #1 option, he’d have a higher PER.
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PER is fine as a stat....but it is only a single stat that gauges just one end of the floor. There is also the simple fact that CJ's PER has been tanking steadily. It used to be over 29.0, IIRC...that hot start of his. It has fallen to 21.0 and may drop under 20.0 by the end of the season. Not only that, if your only argument is that CJ's PER this year would see him on the all-star team, then CJ's missed 25 games would have kept him off. That would leave CJ's PER 'factor' at a career mark and that is only 17.4. I'm more persuaded by that number, produced over 500 games than a number warped by a 12 game hot streak

you did name 6 guards that are better and were more deserving of an all-star nod this season. There would be no way CJ would be picked over Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, or Jalen Brown either. So, that's 9 better players, and that list of 9 doesn't include Giannis, Embiid, Tatum, Durant, Adebayo, Sabonis, Siakam, or Vucevic'

in other words, the often repeated meme around here that "CJ would be an all-star in the east" is 97% bullshit
 
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