What's the difference..

[Universe]

Between starting Marcus, Boki and Wright?

42 million dollars.

I've never said blow up this team or be an outraged critic of this team. I had hope that we would turn it around at some point or even go in as a .500 team and hopefully then we would finally find ourselves in June but I have lost almost all hope in that. Carter is riding on bum ankles while Jefferson is an All-Star one night, then cannot hit the ocean the next. Kidd, like stated in many articles for once looks fine with loosing and plays effortless defense.

Like hundreds of threads before, trading Kidd means Marcus Williams runs the show (unless D-Harris comes) and with that comes instant losing seasons. Honestly after loosing to the Nuggets without Melo, Knicks more than once this year, why would it make any difference if we are loosing with Kidd or Williams?

I'm officailly on the "blowup" bandwagon many of you started months ago and some aren't on it yet but there is no deal this season that can put us to the next level so why not start worrying about the next level in future years?

The end.

 

[Belarus]

Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley and Mark Jackson are all wrong. Right, Thorn?

 

[Joey FistPump]

Thorn is too concerned with his legacy to blow this team up...I think its obvious that we should rebuild but he's instead trying to hold off hoping we sneak into the playoffs and he gets to ride into the sunset.

 

[GMJ]

I'm very close to wanting to blow the team up, the only thing that's keeping me from thinking so is knowing that Frank would still be the coach of the team, and I'm dead set against him running it (let alone improving young talent). As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm very close to wanting to blow the team up, the only thing that's keeping me from thinking so is knowing that Frank would still be the coach of the team, and I'm dead set against him running it (let alone improving young talent). As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.</div>
I could care less about rebounding from my pointguard...I'd much rather be getting 17 points and 10 assists than 10, 10 and 10...especially if the 17 points were efficient like 50% FG% and 40% 3P%.

Yeah that was a Jason Kidd diss.

 

[Belarus]

Lawrence Frank improving young talent = disaster! He'll play his crappy bench vets right after any youngster commits TO. If we are to rebuild - start with the coach.

 

[Universe]

We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>
Plus we'd most likely be getting between an extra 3-4 first rounders via trades of the big three as well as expiring contracts and young talent...Within two years we could be a playoff contender and within 4 year championship contenders.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>

So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?

 

[Universe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>

So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?
</div>
They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.</div>

He's a low first round pick who has done worse than expected to this point.

I agree that he has good court vision, but that hasn't translated into making his teammates better. Not even for short stretches. Not at all.

He's a scorer? So far he's shot 38% for his career.

We haven't even addressed his defense or his attitude.

Is "confident" really the word you want to use here?

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>

So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?
</div>
They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do.
</div>

You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them.

What kind of contracts are you giving these guys?

 

[Universe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>

So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?
</div>
They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do.
</div>

You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them.

What kind of contracts are you giving these guys?
</div>
Well we have a fetish with overpaying worthless junk and letting decent players walk so it's hard to tell.

Depends on how well they played after Kidd and the goons left because I don't see any locked up for long deals more for the fact that we can bring in LeBron and guys to play around LeBron.

 

[GMJ]

I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have:

Marcus Williams
Antoine Wright
Bostjan Nachbar
Sean Williams
Josh Boone

Nenad Krstic

Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div>

So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?
</div>
They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do.
</div>

You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them.

What kind of contracts are you giving these guys?
</div>
Well we have a fetish with overpaying worthless junk and letting decent players walk so it's hard to tell.

Depends on how well they played after Kidd and the goons left because I don't see any locked up for long deals more for the fact that we can bring in LeBron and guys to play around LeBron.
</div>

I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.</div>

How do you get from there to "confident rebuilding around him at PG"?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

mwill is da truf

 

[Lavalamp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.</div>

Yea substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar, but I think it would be wise to keep Boone and Sean Williams in most situations, unless they demand contracts bigger than their worth.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 26 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.</div>

Yea substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar, but I think it would be wise to keep Boone and Sean Williams in most situations, unless they demand contracts bigger than their worth.
</div>

Good big men are always worth paying.

Luckily, it'll be a few years before any determination has to be made on these two.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.</div>

How do you get from there to "confident rebuilding around him at PG"?
</div>

I gain confidence looking at the skills he has and what he's demonstrated in the very short amount of time he's been in the league.

 

[Jizzy]

thats what i have been saying. if we're gonna suck and lose games, we might as well develop the young guys and suck with them then with end of the road vets with no future. this team sux, face facts. even the biggest homer cant argue that

 

[J-HoAgZ]

We aren't gonna blow it up and rebuild b/c they want to keep big names on the team for when we get to Brooklyn.

 

[shookem]

my question is how quickly can the Nets drop in the standings this year. the young talent on the team is not good enough to build around but a great good of role players waiting for their big gun.

make no mistake about it, there isn't a Roy or Alridge in that group, let alone a Durrant or Oden. Swill is dope and i've been a big KAS fan since he entered the league but Boki, Boone and Mwill are nothing to hang your hat on.

with that said, if NJ could get into top five picking territory this season and bottom out next year for a top three pick than maybe rebuilding through prospects and the draft is the way to go.

but if the nets are going to pick in the eight to 14 range this season and not be bad enough to land a real blue chip prospect, it may take too long for the ownership to allow.

having said that and knowing thorn, i bet he makes a trade to get the nets into the playoffs and limping along.

 

[hollagr8]

You guys are right about this, but for some reason, though the Nets are number 9 in the standings, I feel that no matter what they should manage to make a little run towards the end of the season. I'm a raps fan, but believe me, I wouldn't mind seeing the nets make it to the playoffs so we could play them again win or lose because Toronto goes nuts with Carter. I'm sure you all know that your team is good enough to make it to a second round in the playoffs but you ain't winning the East with this team. So you could try rallying the troops to make a last hurrah to get into the playoffs cuz the Nets are well capable of this at number 8 or just lose everything and hope that you get a first round pick ahead of Miami.

 

[farouq710]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 26 2008, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm very close to wanting to blow the team up, the only thing that's keeping me from thinking so is knowing that Frank would still be the coach of the team, and I'm dead set against him running it (let alone improving young talent). As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.</div>
I could care less about rebounding from my pointguard...I'd much rather be getting 17 points and 10 assists than 10, 10 and 10...especially if the 17 points were efficient like 50% FG% and 40% 3P%.

Yeah that was a Jason Kidd diss.
</div>


I totally agree, there was a time last year when I felt JKidd was the best PG in the league but in my opinion he's only a good PG now. His biggest weakness is shooting and since no one can shoot consistently on this team (besides Vince) he looks worse. I've felt that JKidd right now is overrated. His lack of a J is killing this team and he'll only be successful on a team with at least 2 starters that can shoot consistently. For example, If JKidd was sent to a team like the magic, lakers or mavs it would make sense but if he were traded to the hawks or denver his value isn't so high since he'd have to be relied on to make his J. Without dead eye shooters JKidd's value id diminished at this stage of his career. Honestly my ideal PG isn't JKidd simply because he can't shoot and right now his man defense is terrible and its been that way the past 3 years but nobody critcizes him for it.

 

[farouq710]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shookem @ Jan 26 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my question is how quickly can the Nets drop in the standings this year. the young talent on the team is not good enough to build around but a great good of role players waiting for their big gun.

make no mistake about it, there isn't a Roy or Alridge in that group, let alone a Durrant or Oden. Swill is dope and i've been a big KAS fan since he entered the league but Boki, Boone and Mwill are nothing to hang your hat on.

with that said, if NJ could get into top five picking territory this season and bottom out next year for a top three pick than maybe rebuilding through prospects and the draft is the way to go.

but if the nets are going to pick in the eight to 14 range this season and not be bad enough to land a real blue chip prospect, it may take too long for the ownership to allow.

having said that and knowing thorn, i bet he makes a trade to get the nets into the playoffs and limping along.</div>

Look rebuilding isn't so easy and unlike a lot of fans around here I'd rather see my team make the playoffs. Ok so we tank, and suppose we get a lottery pick then what? there's a higher probably of your pick being a bad one than being a franchise changing one. Most lottery picks fail to be an all star. If your lucky you might get a starter. I'd rather celebrate 5 or 6 playoff victories this year instead of watching a bunch of "promising" young guys that most likely will not develop struggle for two or three years. Most "promising" players don't pan out look at Boston and how hard they've tried to develop young talent. It didn't work out for something like 3-5 years. I dunno about you but I can't wait 3 years to watch my all time favorite team get in the playoffs. Look at ATL they've been rebuilding for like 10 years. If we fail with our lottery pick then we're set back for some time and have to endure more losing and who knows when the losing will stop. I'd rather have this .500 caliber team play out until JKidd leaves or retires and then rebuild when we have no other option instead of trading him and guaranteeing losing. The whole championship or bust idea is bull in my opinion.

 

[Lavalamp]

Wow farouq710 you're a straight shooter. I totally agree that Championship or bust is a silly concept.

But on Kidd, I don't know why people point out Kidd's shooting and turnovers so much, if someone told me 5 years ago that Jason Kidd when he was 34 (almost 35) would be averaging 11.3 ppg, 8.3 ppg, and 10.5 apg, with 1.6 spg and only missing one game due to a migraine over a period of 43 games, as well he has had knee surgery. I would have said no way.

 

[Universe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (farouq710 @ Jan 26 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shookem @ Jan 26 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my question is how quickly can the Nets drop in the standings this year. the young talent on the team is not good enough to build around but a great good of role players waiting for their big gun.

make no mistake about it, there isn't a Roy or Alridge in that group, let alone a Durrant or Oden. Swill is dope and i've been a big KAS fan since he entered the league but Boki, Boone and Mwill are nothing to hang your hat on.

with that said, if NJ could get into top five picking territory this season and bottom out next year for a top three pick than maybe rebuilding through prospects and the draft is the way to go.

but if the nets are going to pick in the eight to 14 range this season and not be bad enough to land a real blue chip prospect, it may take too long for the ownership to allow.

having said that and knowing thorn, i bet he makes a trade to get the nets into the playoffs and limping along.</div>

Look rebuilding isn't so easy and unlike a lot of fans around here I'd rather see my team make the playoffs. Ok so we tank, and suppose we get a lottery pick then what? there's a higher probably of your pick being a bad one than being a franchise changing one. Most lottery picks fail to be an all star. If your lucky you might get a starter. I'd rather celebrate 5 or 6 playoff victories this year instead of watching a bunch of "promising" young guys that most likely will not develop struggle for two or three years. Most "promising" players don't pan out look at Boston and how hard they've tried to develop young talent. It didn't work out for something like 3-5 years. I dunno about you but I can't wait 3 years to watch my all time favorite team get in the playoffs. Look at ATL they've been rebuilding for like 10 years. If we fail with our lottery pick then we're set back for some time and have to endure more losing and who knows when the losing will stop. I'd rather have this .500 caliber team play out until JKidd leaves or retires and then rebuild when we have no other option instead of trading him and guaranteeing losing. The whole championship or bust idea is bull in my opinion.
</div>

You'd rather have a .500 team? Where do we find that?

 

[Netsfan318]

The Nets for the 1st time in some time have a good young core

I mean look at the under 27

RJ
Marcus Williams
Boki (FA)
Boone
A-51
Wright
Kirstic (FA)

these guys need a better coach than Lawrence Frank to guide them in thier career

 

[Joey FistPump]

Personally I like are young talent alot...I think Sean Williams could develop into a very good PF with solid defensive skills, Boone is a double double guy...his scoring and rebounding will only get better and one would think he could at least improve his FT% to 55% eventually. Marcus has shown flashes but honestly he doesnt get enough consistent minutes to develop. Nenad has a lot of talent and I think he can be resigned cheap.

Nenad is 24
Boone is 23
Marcus is 22
Sean is 21

That's a solid young core under 25...what we are lacking is young swingmen and maybe another bigman.

Figure the trades of the big three gets you 3 firsts, two solid youngsters and expiring contracts...

That would mean over the next two years we would be adding 5 first rounders players and two solid young players to are 4 person core...with a ton of cap space.

call me crazy but I think a rebuild is actually not only simple its just god damn practical.