What's the future for Martell Webster?

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Just curious on everyones thoughts. Will he be traded this summer? Will he backup Batum next year? Traded at the deadline? Or a key guy off the bench?

After watching him lately... you really notice how bad his body language is. He looks like a guy who just got beat up by his little brother. I feel bad for him. Always thought he could really emerge for us. I think his final games as a Blazer are upon us. He wont be here next fall IMO.

Thoughts?
 
I was already saying he should be traded even before a scrub like Ime Udaku took his job. Then I knew it for sure. Ime is still the better player.
 
I think his contract might make him hard to trade unless someone thinks they can use him.

CAP HIT 2009-10 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13
Martell Webster 4,344,000 4,344,000 4,800,000 5,256,000 5,712,000

He's shown what he can do and if he's used appropriately I'm sure he can find success. He's just not a starting SF as we all thought he was.

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MIXUM said:
Just curious on everyones thoughts. Will he be traded this summer? Will he backup Batum next year? Traded at the deadline? Or a key guy off the bench?

After watching him lately... you really notice how bad his body language is. He looks like a guy who just got beat up by his little brother. I feel bad for him. Always thought he could really emerge for us. I think his final games as a Blazer are upon us. He wont be here next fall IMO.

Thoughts?
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Thoughts? Well, you might be right, but I'm trying to think of who would really want him making the mid-level money that he does for two more seasons (with a team option for a third)? With the collective bargaining agreement set to expire, and salaries almost certain to take a dive, he might end up looking like a pretty expensive player for the production he provides. If he's going to be moved he will likely be contract ballast in a multi-player deal that nets the Blazers a player who is maybe slightly overpaid.
 
He was doing fine before all of his minutes were taken (and rightfully so)...He'll back up Batum, Rudy is not good enough to take all of the minutes at G/F.
 
I think he will be here a solid bench player and insurance, I don't think he goes anywhere and would be surprised if the blazers made any real moves this summer with the emergence of Batum at the SF and Oden coming back, I just don't see moves being made.
 
Luther said:
He was doing fine before all of his minutes were taken (and rightfully so)...He'll back up Batum, Rudy is not good enough to take all of the minutes at G/F.
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Rudy is a better shooter and passer, has a much better handle and can create some from the dribble - so, he is clearly ahead of Webster in the rotation - where Webster is ahead is at checking the bigger small-forwards/physical small-guards.

Don't expect Webster's minutes to change drastically from where we see them now short of further injuries. He is a very nice guy and it is hard not to hope for the best for him - but he is just a role player, and not that great of one, to be honest.
 
andalusian said:
Rudy is a better shooter and passer, has a much better handle and can create some from the dribble - so, he is clearly ahead of Webster in the rotation - where Webster is ahead is at checking the bigger small-forwards/physical small-guards.

Don't expect Webster's minutes to change drastically from where we see them now short of further injuries. He is a very nice guy and it is hard not to hope for the best for him - but he is just a role player, and not that great of one, to be honest.
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Yup, I'd rather go with a 3 guard lineup than have Webster at the 3. One thing he does do better than Rudy is hit the glass, but Rudy is better in every other way.

If he could ever get comfortable coming off the bench and be some instant offense for 15-20 minutes a game, he may find a niche. But so far he has shown he's incapable of coming off the bench cold.
 
not sure bout rudy anymore. all he can do is make 3 pointers.
 
MIXUM said:
not sure bout rudy anymore. all he can do is make 3 pointers.
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Then you simply don't understand the game. He sets up teammates for easy shots arguably better than any player on the team.
 
yah but he has trouble finishing and his little tear drop is about as effective as miller shooting threes!
 
Pryz's contract plus Webster is a nice package deal at next season's deadline.

Webster is beyond expendable on this roster.
 
MIXUM said:
not sure bout rudy anymore. all he can do is make 3 pointers.
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Huh? In the last game, he made two of the best passes I've ever seen for wide open baskets. That's a skill that we can really use on this team.
 
what position though? do we go after a SF,PF, PG of future?????

assuming hes traded... what do we ask for???? i think camby leaves in all honesty.
 
MIXUM said:
yah but he has trouble finishing and his little tear drop is about as effective as miller shooting threes!
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He definitely needs to improve on the runner and how to effectively use a mid-range game, no question on that. It just goes too far to say all he can do is shoot from distance. Rudy is only in his 2nd NBA season after all.
 
MIXUM said:
what position though? do we go after a SF,PF, PG of future?????

assuming hes traded... what do we ask for???? i think camby leaves in all honesty.
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I think it all hinges on whether or not Camby stays or goes and despite your feelings about what he'll do, it's all very much up in the air; the Blazers likely are going to have a need for him mostly because Joel is looking less and less likely to be ready to go in time for training camp, and considering the nature of his injury and the fact that he's suffered the same injury in the span of 3 months doesn't seem like a good omen for the 2010-2011 season and maybe even his career quite frankly.
 
BlazerBeav said:
He definitely needs to improve on the runner and how to effectively use a mid-range game, no question on that. It just goes too far to say all he can do is shoot from distance. Rudy is only in his 2nd NBA season after all.
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Ugh. IMO, he definitely needs to abandon the runner until he has a whole off-season to work on it. But instead I think I'd rather see him log about a thousand hours practicing going to his left instead, which would make his life a whole lot easier and he wouldn't need that gimmick shot.
 
MIXUM said:
Just curious on everyones thoughts. Will he be traded this summer? Will he backup Batum next year? Traded at the deadline? Or a key guy off the bench?

After watching him lately... you really notice how bad his body language is. He looks like a guy who just got beat up by his little brother. I feel bad for him. Always thought he could really emerge for us. I think his final games as a Blazer are upon us. He wont be here next fall IMO.

Thoughts?
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I would keep Webster and trade Bayless. I prefer keeping Webster as our #2 or 3 SF and #3 SG. My personal opinion is that Rudy will not be here long term and Webster will be Roy's back-up.

Webster plays good defense, has a good attitude and as a SG can easily out muscle almost any other SG- he won't get posted up.
 
I think we are just getting a glimpse into what Bayless can do for us. At a PER of 15.8 with all the inconsistencies he is displaying, he is still 3 whole points better than what Webster has ever, in his entire career, achieved. If all we get from Bayless is just a small improvement that makes him more consistent - he will be a much, much more valuable player than Webster imho.

Right or wrong, the Webster experiment has, imho, pretty much played itself out to the point where we can be pretty sure that Webster is at best a role player. With Bayless all we know is that he is at worst a role player - one that is just as inconsistent as Webster - but is going to give you great games a lot more frequently than Webster.

So, no disrespect for Webster, I would rather keep Bayless and his "attack the rim" mentality than Webster.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think it all hinges on whether or not Camby stays or goes and despite your feelings about what he'll do, it's all very much up in the air; the Blazers likely are going to have a need for him mostly because Joel is looking less and less likely to be ready to go in time for training camp, and considering the nature of his injury and the fact that he's suffered the same injury in the span of 3 months doesn't seem like a good omen for the 2010-2011 season and maybe even his career quite frankly.
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I agree. If Camby stays, then there are no big holes that NEED to be mended. With Oden returning, he and Camby can take care of the Center position. But, If Camby leaves, the Blazers will need to scramble to get another quality center, especially with Oden's less than stellar heath history. If we need to get another Center, the players that will most likely be on the Block will be everyone not named Roy, Oden, Roy, Batum and Miller, and possibly Bayless. But at the top of that list will be Webster.

I like Webs and think that the Blazers would like to keep him if possible because he does a decent job off the bench and does not seem to complain about playing time. He accepts his role even if he does believe he can do more. At least, thats my take on the situation. We need a good deep bench if we are going to finally become a great team, and there is room for Webster on that bench. He will only be traded if he is needed to fill a more important hole.
 
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I could see him packaged in the draft with Bayless and our first round pick with around 3mil in cash for a top 15 pick.
 
Sug said:
I could see him packaged in the draft with Bayless and our first round pick with around 3mil in cash for a top 15 pick.
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Pritchard has no trading ability, but Paul Allen's $3M payoff sometimes motivates another owner to trade. We recently discovered that he traded Sergio with an exchange of 2nd round picks by including a few million. So I'd say that Webster will go for the same. That's all Pritchard is capable of.
 
andalusian said:
I think we are just getting a glimpse into what Bayless can do for us. At a PER of 15.8 with all the inconsistencies he is displaying, he is still 3 whole points better than what Webster has ever, in his entire career, achieved. If all we get from Bayless is just a small improvement that makes him more consistent - he will be a much, much more valuable player than Webster imho.

Right or wrong, the Webster experiment has, imho, pretty much played itself out to the point where we can be pretty sure that Webster is at best a role player. With Bayless all we know is that he is at worst a role player - one that is just as inconsistent as Webster - but is going to give you great games a lot more frequently than Webster.

So, no disrespect for Webster, I would rather keep Bayless and his "attack the rim" mentality than Webster.
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It's a fair debate. Do we want an undersized Bayless that is a weak defender, but can push the ball and really get to the rim, or a much stronger Webster that can defend better and shoot well. I can see the pros & cons, but in the end I'll take Martel.
 
zagsfan20 said:
Then you simply don't understand the game. He sets up teammates for easy shots arguably better than any player on the team.
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Hardly. He averages 1.9 assists per game and 1.3 turnovers per game. Sure, he has the occasional cool pass but he isn't consistent.

On that note, did anyone see Travis Outlaw had 6 assists the other night?
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
or a much stronger Webster that can defend better and shoot well. I can see the pros & cons, but in the end I'll take Martel.
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Unfortunately 40% FG and 37% 3P (this season and career avg.) is not shooting well for a supposed shooting specialist.
 
axs88 said:
Unfortunately 40% FG and 37% 3P (this season and career avg.) is not shooting well for a supposed shooting specialist.
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I agree he's having a down year, but overall I still think he'll be the better player. But still, neither Bayless or Webster will put us over the top.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I agree he's having a down year, but overall I still think he'll be the better player. But still, neither Bayless or Webster will put us over the top.
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That's why I pointed out his season numbers are the same as his career numbers. Unfortunately he's not having a down year, it is the norm for him.
 
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