What’s with Covington?

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Dame wants to play off the ball and the only question is if he hasn't gotten used to it *yet* or if he'll never get used to it and needs to get back to running the offense
 
But, I will also say this about Dame, his defense improved immensely, he is a lockdown one on one defender, for example, I don't think any of Kennard makes were against Dame. Instead of adjusting with Roco on Kennard, Chauncey should have put Dame on him
 
Mr. Robot said:
in his press on media day, nurk said dame & cj will take less shots, but it will help involve other players more (im guessing him and powell the most)

but i wonder if thats what chauncey billups said or just nurks wishful thinking
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Safe to say CJ didn't get the memo.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Covington had 6 straight seasons averaging 12-13 ppg on solid percentages and good threes when we acquired him. Last year that dropped to 8ppg, now he is at 4.

The 13ppg great help defender was well worth the two late first round picks. It seemed like we finally got the good wing Olshey has been trying to get since we lost Batum/Wes.

This version we are seeing now of Roco is possibly worse than either Aminu or Harkless and doesn't deserve to start.

Either Roco improves or the door is open for Nance/Nas to push him out of the starting lineup.
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Huge disappointment. I tried to blame his slippage last season on Stotts. That excuse no longer flies.
 
calvin natt said:
I think Covington is a good lesson or reminder that you don’t trade 1st round picks for role players.
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probably true. Might depend on how low the pick is. But right now, the Blazers have traded a 16th and 23rd pick for RoCo. That's a pretty high price and we still have to see what the price point is for Nance. It's possible it could be a 15th pick.

making the RoCo trade appear worse is that the Blazers traded Ariza and two 1st's to Houston for RoCo. And, less than 2 days later, Houston traded Ariza and one of the first's for Christian Wood AND, a potential lottery pick.

Wood sure appears to be more than a role player averaging 21 & 10 while shooting nearly 40% on three's. Meanwhile RoCo is arguably a default starter like Aminu and Harkless. A starter just because the Blazers didn't have anyone better...when they should

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by the way, if anybody is interested, 82games did an 'expected' performance rating for draft pick slots a few years ago:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

they are not the only ones who have tried to calculate draft pick performance:

https://tonyelhabr.github.io/nba-de...research-says-about-nba-draft-pick-value.html
 
wizenheimer said:
probably true. Might depend on how low the pick is. But right now, the Blazers have traded a 16th and 23rd pick for RoCo. That's a pretty high price and we still have to see what the price point is for Nance. It's possible it could be a 15th pick.

making the RoCo trade appear worse is that the Blazers traded Ariza and two 1st's to Houston for RoCo. And, less than 2 days later, Houston traded Ariza and one of the first's for Christian Wood AND, a potential lottery pick.

Wood sure appears to be more than a role player averaging 21 & 10 while shooting nearly 40% on three's. Meanwhile RoCo is arguably a default starter like Aminu and Harkless. A starter just because the Blazers didn't have anyone better...when they should

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by the way, if anybody is interested, 82games did an 'expected' performance rating for draft pick slots a few years ago:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

they are not the only ones who have tried to calculate draft pick performance:

https://tonyelhabr.github.io/nba-de...research-says-about-nba-draft-pick-value.html
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This is another reason why I would throw 3 1sts to Philly for Ben, along with CJ and whatever else. If it doesn’t work out you just screwed yourself.
 
calvin natt said:
This is another reason why I would throw 3 1sts to Philly for Ben, along with CJ and whatever else. If it doesn’t work out you just screwed yourself.
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pretty sure you forgot the "not"...?

I tend to agree. Blazers could trade unprotected 1st and swaps, but they'd be crazy to not add any protections past Dame's option year
 
wizenheimer said:
pretty sure you forgot the "not"...?

I tend to agree. Blazers could trade unprotected 1st and swaps, but they'd be crazy to not add any protections past Dame's option year
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If you put protections on the picks they become worth a hell of a lot less in trades.

I'm fine with the Blazers trading unprotected if it makes them a real contender; but then there is a hell of a lot of downside if those become a good lottery pick. So the return better be a hell of a lot.

A hell of a lot return is an All star player for Blazers least valuable contracts.

Trading a borderline all star with flaws for an all star with flaws is not a hell of a lot. That won't change a team from not a contender to legit contender.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If you put protections on the picks they become worth a hell of a lot less in trades.

I'm fine with the Blazers trading unprotected if it makes them a real contender; but then there is a hell of a lot of downside if those become a good lottery pick. So the return better be a hell of a lot.

A hell of a lot return is an All star player for Blazers least valuable contracts.

Trading a borderline all star with flaws for an all star with flaws is not a hell of a lot. That won't change a team from not a contender to legit contender.
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I understand all that. I'm just saying that 1): Simmons has a higher risk than most 3-time all-stars and 2) Dame is 31 and could leave in June 2024. So an unprotected 2025 pick is pretty risky. I'd probably want to lottery protect any pick/swap past the 2024 draft in a Simmons trade. Of course, that would only be the 3rd pick/swap Portland could give up. If it was CJ + 2023rd first + 2024 swap + 2025 first, not only is that a substantial price, it's really ratchets up the risk

I'd probably still do it, but 2025 would be the cut-off for either picks or swaps without protection

as far as contention...it's clear to me that the Blazers will never be a contender with Dame/CJ. They'd be closer with Dame/Simmons, but IMO, there was always going to be the necessity of other move(s) after that one to put the Blazers over the hump. It's not like it would be Dame/Giannis or Dame/Kawhi
 
Tince said:
Like the majority of forwards Olshey has brought it, Cov is not a play-maker. When we simplify their role and use them as floor spacers, they won't be amazing, but can't hurt us to a great degree. This everyone gets the ball equally offense only exposes his weaknesses. Same goes for Nurk.
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True but he did get one this summer. Nance can dribble, pass, rebound, block shots, and set a decent screen. He might not be great at any of them but he is above average at all of them for a PF.

Dame, CJ, NP (or Little) Nurk (or Zeller), and Nance will eventually be a decent lineup.
 
We don't need RoCo to be a play maker. Just make open shots and play defense.

If he can't start shooting better and the rest of the team looks as good as they have thus far we should flip him for an upgrade at the trade deadline. Throw in Elleby, McLemore, picks and we can take back a $20 million salary.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True but he did get one this summer. Nance can dribble, pass, rebound, block shots, and set a decent screen. He might not be great at any of them but he is above average at all of them for a PF.

Dame, CJ, NP (or Little) Nurk (or Zeller), and Nance will eventually be a decent lineup.
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I agree with you that Nance has a different skill set than the majority of forwards. Nance won't space the floor as well as Cov, but can do a lot of little things better.
 
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