What’s with Covington?

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I could care less how he plays early in regular season his value is 100% in playoffs when things slow down and become half court game his defense is crucial. He always been a little streaky offensively. I know everyone loves Nances game and I do to but having Nance off the bench makes us even better. Him and Zeller make that 2nd unit very good.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Covington had 6 straight seasons averaging 12-13 ppg on solid percentages and good threes when we acquired him. Last year that dropped to 8ppg, now he is at 4.

The 13ppg great help defender was well worth the two late first round picks. It seemed like we finally got the good wing Olshey has been trying to get since we lost Batum/Wes.

This version we are seeing now of Roco is possibly worse than either Aminu or Harkless and doesn't deserve to start.

Either Roco improves or the door is open for Nance/Nas to push him out of the starting lineup.
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Really on his scoring you can't fault him when play along side Dame and CJ. The forwards in the past was outlet for Dame and CJ. No forward going score a lot playing with these two.
 
Not just his offense he still haven't figured out the scheme on defense Roco really hasn't play the it very well. Nance play it really well night by basically eliminate the pitch out to the corner 3. Before the younger guys came in the 2nd half they had 3 shot from the corner.
 
ehizzy3 said:
cool, the salaries match.

What gives even the slightest idea that Memphis would do that?
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1. Memphis has had a great start with Bane and Melton taking all of (currently injured) Brooks' minutes
2 ....and Tillman strangely out of the rotation.

That explains why those two would be expendable. Why would they want Covington? That's more of a question. But maybe they'd LIKE the fact that his contract runs out soon? But either way, it's not like they want for scoring, so they wouldn't worry about his low output, and a guy who can play multiple positions and defend well would definitely help them.

I don't really want to trade RoCo (yet). I think everyone is currently feeling their way.
 
I looked at Rocos numbers in the first month of the season the last three years (including this one) and he’s had slow starts every time. I’d probably wait another month at least before making any grand judgements, but I do see how Nance fits with the starters better. At the same time, he also brings a lot to the second unit, a unit that probably needs his playmaking more.
 
James lamphear said:
Really on his scoring you can't fault him when play along side Dame and CJ. The forwards in the past was outlet for Dame and CJ. No forward going score a lot playing with these two.
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The forwards in the past that were scoring options was one forward, LaMarcus. And when he was on the team, CJ didn't play for shit.

So there has never been a good forward combo ever since LaMarcus left.
 
for what its worth, there are rumours that either roco or nurk are gone at the trade deadline, given theyre both expiring contracts and blazers can hardly afford to give new contracts to both of them
 
Mr. Robot said:
for what its worth, there are rumours that either roco or nurk are gone at the trade deadline, given theyre both expiring contracts and blazers can hardly afford to give new contracts to both of them
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pretty much a must or next offseason will be very bad.
 
Orion Bailey said:
pretty much a must or next offseason will be very bad.
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im curious how much the larry nance jr trade has to do with potential roco departure

could he be sort of insurance in case roco gets traded
 
Mr. Robot said:
for what its worth, there are rumours that either roco or nurk are gone at the trade deadline, given theyre both expiring contracts and blazers can hardly afford to give new contracts to both of them
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I don't buy this is a done deal at all... I think the team will explore options especially if one of them is struggling or injured. But if one or both are playing well and the team looks good they will consider keeping one or both.

I expect the Blazers will do some trades to duck the tax at the upcoming trade deadline. Just trading guys like McLemore, Elleby, Brown, Snell and signing guys for the last few games of the season will get them below the tax. Most importantly, that would avoid a repeater tax the following season even if there is some luxury tax due.

Hell, the way Roco is playing now and the value of centers both guys might only get the tax MLE which the Blazers can certainly match. The team can resign them if it's not an overpay. But they likely can't give them both huge raises and resign Ant.

However next summer as long as the team signs all 3 players to tradeable deals, they would have until the 2023 trade deadline to get their luxury tax set. Now if they get a trade offer for Roco or Nurk that puts them in a better position to win; sure go ahead and do it. But this isn't an urgent need that has to be addressed in the next few months.
 
Mr. Robot said:
for what its worth, there are rumours that either roco or nurk are gone at the trade deadline, given theyre both expiring contracts and blazers can hardly afford to give new contracts to both of them
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Roco is probably them more likely traded, since his departure would be easier to cope with.
 
Mr. Robot said:
im curious how much the larry nance jr trade has to do with potential roco departure

could he be sort of insurance in case roco gets traded
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Having Nance with two years on a good contract was valuable for the Blazers. It could be valuable if Roco isn't on the team, or if he is on the team, so no I don't believe that was a major cause for the Nance trade.
 
Derrick Jones has played 2 minutes so far for the Bulls and he isn't listed as injured....yikes!
 
wizenheimer said:
probably true. Might depend on how low the pick is. But right now, the Blazers have traded a 16th and 23rd pick for RoCo. That's a pretty high price and we still have to see what the price point is for Nance. It's possible it could be a 15th pick.

making the RoCo trade appear worse is that the Blazers traded Ariza and two 1st's to Houston for RoCo. And, less than 2 days later, Houston traded Ariza and one of the first's for Christian Wood AND, a potential lottery pick.

Wood sure appears to be more than a role player averaging 21 & 10 while shooting nearly 40% on three's. Meanwhile RoCo is arguably a default starter like Aminu and Harkless. A starter just because the Blazers didn't have anyone better...when they should

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by the way, if anybody is interested, 82games did an 'expected' performance rating for draft pick slots a few years ago:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

they are not the only ones who have tried to calculate draft pick performance:

https://tonyelhabr.github.io/nba-de...research-says-about-nba-draft-pick-value.html
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I may be incorrect but didn’t Christian Wood get to pick which team he wanted to go to? Wasn’t it part of free agency? It’s not like it was open bidding and he was sold to the highest bidder
 
BonesJones said:
Or is it a good MLE signing because it allowed us to make the Nance trade?
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If we made a great MLE signing, a Nance trade would've been a downgrade.

Olshey got $0.60/dollar for Jones and upgraded it to $0.85/dollar. Upgade on the end, but a still a net negative IMO.
 
Tince said:
If we made a great MLE signing, a Nance trade would've been a downgrade.

Olshey got $0.60/dollar for Jones and upgraded it to $0.85/dollar. Upgade on the end, but a still a net negative IMO.
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how often are trades dollar for dollar. And then you aren't factoring appreciation vs depreciation in the monetary numbers provided.

the end result is what matters and its a net positive in my opinion.
 
Mr. Robot said:
for what its worth, there are rumours that either roco or nurk are gone at the trade deadline, given theyre both expiring contracts and blazers can hardly afford to give new contracts to both of them
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Where is this coming from?
 
Freshtown said:
Where is this coming from?
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I don't have any inside info, but the Blazers are about $3M into luxury tax territory. Unless they're firmly into title contention, I think it's pretty much a given that they will make a trade by the deadline to get themselves out of LT. They could move Ant and his $3.8M contract, but he's playing really well. I'd say that RoCo would certainly be an option to get moved for a lesser contract. Nurk seems like a reach to me.
 
Predator said:
I may be incorrect but didn’t Christian Wood get to pick which team he wanted to go to? Wasn’t it part of free agency? It’s not like it was open bidding and he was sold to the highest bidder
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Houston didn't have cap-space. And Wood mainly wanted out of Detroit
 
wizenheimer said:
Houston didn't have cap-space. And Wood mainly wanted out of Detroit
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I tend to think that Olshey is just content with kicking the can down the street. Just pick up a little more value... a little more talent with our draft picks. He could have been looking at a player like Wood and sold him on playing a big role here. Maybe I'm wrong and he tried but my thought is we could have had a better and younger player, with a little higher salary, who would have cost us one less draft pick but Neil just didn't get it done.
 
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