What’s with Covington?

[Tince]

how often are trades dollar for dollar. And then you aren't factoring appreciation vs depreciation in the monetary numbers provided.

the end result is what matters and its a net positive in my opinion.

I would assume trades aren't usually even. Like I said, think Olshey upgraded from Jones.

 

[wizenheimer]

Bad MLE signing. So glad we made the Nance trade.

a couple of bad off-seasons in a row...Tolliver, Hezonja, trading for Bazemore, Jones. When the transaction highlights of those two seasons are trading for Whiteside and signing Melo....yeeeeesh.

one thread of 2016 is pretty condemning for Olshey:

* bidding against himself and giving Evan Turner 70M
* watching 3 years of Turner...eyes bleed plenty
* trading Turner for Bazemore
* enduring 43 games of Bazemore...eyes bleed more
* trading Bazemore for 21 games of Ariza
* trading Ariza and two firsts for RoCo

what would cap that thread is letting RoCo walk next summer...and it could happen

 

[Predator]

Houston didn't have cap-space. And Wood mainly wanted out of Detroit

That doesn’t change what i said.
If Houston wasn’t Woods first choice, he wouldn’t be there.


Can’t complete a sign & trade if the player doesn’t want to be in that destination


Now it may say something that wood wanted to be in Houston over Portland…

 

[Predator]

I tend to think that Olshey is just content with kicking the can down the street. Just pick up a little more value... a little more talent with our draft picks. He could have been looking at a player like Wood and sold him on playing a big role here. Maybe I'm wrong and he tried but my thought is we could have had a better and younger player, with a little higher salary, who would have cost us one less draft pick but Neil just didn't get it done.

“Neil just didn’t get it done”
I mean…
Maybe Wood didn’t want to lose *millions* to tax?
Also, Wood said he chose Houston because he and Stephen Silas have an amazing relationship.

Neil randomly calling him up probably isn’t nearly as powerful as a personal relationship with your potential head coach that has lasted years.

 

[PDXFonz]

Tolliver > RoCo

Idk man that’s a bit far

Roco is much more athletic than Tolliver at the very least.

 

[Hoopguru]

Looks to me Neils assembled a decent team.

 

[wizenheimer]

Now it may say something that wood wanted to be in Houston over Portland…

that's saying something, but you're the one saying it. I haven't seen anybody else say it. Where is a link saying that Wood preferred Houston over all other destinations? The only thing I've seen is that Wood refused to re-sign with Detroit

 

[Predator]

that's saying something, but you're the one saying it. I haven't seen anybody else say it. Where is a link saying that Wood preferred Houston over all other destinations? The only thing I've seen is that Wood refused to re-sign with Detroit

… common sense?
A free agent can pick ANY team he wants (that also wants him).

Say the Thunder offered Detroit the #1 pick for Wood. Detroit wouldn’t be able to accept because Christian Wood would say, uh, no, I’m not signing the contract under those circumstances.

This is how it probably went:
Wood gets offers and teams express interest.
Wood decided he wanted to go to Houston despite the trade requests (he talks about this as well as Silas, which also logically implies it was his choice. “Why would you still choose to come here with both stars requesting a trade?” Keyword choose to come).
Houston doesn’t have enough cap space but Detroit doesn’t want to lose him for nothing.
Sign and trade is commenced.
If Wood *preferred* and *wanted* to go to another team, he would be there.

Nothing Neil Olshey could have done, short of massively overpaying, would’ve put Christian Wood into a Blazer jersey.

You can Google “Why Christian wood chose the rockets” for more

 

[wizenheimer]

Nothing Neil Olshey could have done, short of massively overpaying, would’ve put Christian Wood into a Blazer jersey.

LOL...yeah...I'll take your word for it

 

[TBpup]

0 points and 3 rebounds as a starter in 19 minutes? WTH? What a waste of 2 1st round picks if this doesn't get better.
A complete missing entity against the 76'ers.

 

[BonesJones]

0 points and 3 rebounds as a starter in 19 minutes? WTH? What a waste of 2 1st round picks if this doesn't get better.
A complete missing entity against the 76'ers.

I mean, Houston gave up 2 firsts for him. Given who he was before coming here, his value was around two firsts.

Everyone wanted Olshey to trade 1sts for a 3-&-D wing and everyone seemingly wanted Covington. Then he does it and everyone is using hindsight against it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I liked RoCo last year... The trade was worth it.

Not sure what the problem is this year. Hopefully just adjusting to the new system.

 

[TBpup]

I mean, Houston gave up 2 firsts for him. Given who he was before coming here, his value was around two firsts.

Everyone wanted Olshey to trade 1sts for a 3-&-D wing and everyone seemingly wanted Covington. Then he does it and everyone is using hindsight against it.

Playing a little fast and loose with "everyone".

 

[Scalma]

I liked RoCo last year... The trade was worth it.

Not sure what the problem is this year. Hopefully just adjusting to the new system.

I don't think this is stated enough. Everyone is adjusting to a completely different way of playing. If we're in the same position around Christmas, then we can start to truly question things. Have to trust that our defensive specialist isn't going to be a borderline liability defensively all season.

 

[wizenheimer]

I mean, Houston gave up 2 firsts for him..

where did you get that information?



http://www.prosportstransactions.co...ndDate=&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&Submit=Search

I see one first

even if Houston did overpay, that doesn't justify Portland overpaying, if they did

besides that, in RoCo trades, incoming and outgoing, the Rockets sent out two first's and Capela, and got back two first's and Christian Wood

 

[BonesJones]

where did you get that information?

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http://www.prosportstransactions.co...ndDate=&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&Submit=Search

I see one first

even if Houston did overpay, that doesn't justify Portland overpaying, if they did

besides that, in RoCo trades, incoming and outgoing, the Rockets sent out two first's and Capela, and got back two first's and Christian Wood

I always counted Capela as a first since that's what Atlanta gave up for him. Minnesota got two firsts.

Wood was a free agent signing in a sign-and-trade. Completely different.

 

[wizenheimer]

I always counted Capela as a first since that's what Atlanta gave up for him. Minnesota got two firsts.

Wood was a free agent signing in a sign-and-trade. Completely different.

LOL...c'mon man

by the same 'olshey-can-do-no-wrong' logic you're using, the Blazers gave up 2 first's AND 2 second's for RoCo because they traded two 2nd's for 21 games of Ariza before trading Ariza and two first's for RoCo

 

[BonesJones]

LOL...c'mon man

by the same 'olshey-can-do-no-wrong' logic you're using, the Blazers gave up 2 first's AND 2 second's for RoCo because they traded two 2nd's for 21 games of Ariza before trading Ariza and two first's for RoCo

Ariza and a 1st isn't as valuable as Capela in my opinion. I'm just saying I remember what Minny got back for RoCo and it was two 1sts. That was the widely accepted asking price for a forward of that caliber. Aaron Gordon fetched a 1st and R.J. Hampton (a rookie who had just been taken in the 1st).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Covington has really improved the past couple of games.

 

[HailBlazers]

Covington has really improved the past couple of games.

Looking off Dame has become a legit thang.

 

[Hoopguru]

Covington has really improved the past couple of games.

He's seems to be very confident in his shooting and that's the reason I would start him over Nance at this point. Nance doesnt seem to have the confidence in is shot be he sure contributes in the other ways.

 

[wizenheimer]

He's seems to be very confident in his shooting and that's the reason I would start him over Nance at this point. Nance doesnt seem to have the confidence in is shot be he sure contributes in the other ways.

RoCo is a lot more 3&D; nance is more glue-guy

Cliches-R-Me

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Just an observation.

A fan sees RoCo play a couple of times a year, looks at his stats, and thinks that is a guy they would like to have. (guilty as charged)

A GM is supposed to F'n know better! Saying we over-paid for RoCo is only hindsight for the fans. Olshey is well paid to know this stuff. If he is as dumb/ignorant as I am, that just proves we need a better GM.

 

[Hoopguru]

RoCo has better career stats with steals, blocks, 3pt% and FT% than Larry. Nance is more effective down low and with assist.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If RoCo could shoot anywhere close to what he has the last couple of games, the Blazers would be dangerous. (and Dame gets out of his funk-which I know he will)