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C - Boone / Lopez / Krstic (?)
PF - Yi / Swift / Anderson
SF - Simmons / Sean / FA - trade
SG - Carter / Hassell / Ager / CDR / ?
PG - Harris / Marcus /

Basically, Boki is expendable. Yi is an improvement over him, and Anderson is also a very similar player.

Yi will start. At Power Forward. He's finally playing on a large market team, if he doesn't start the Nets kill themselves financially. Plus, I saw Yi play in person, and one time he was shooting a jumper I remember thinking "Holy crap he really gets a lift on his jumper". If Yi puts in the work like Yao did, he WILL become Dirk-like player. I kid you not. According to pre-draft measurements, Yi should have around a 38" vertical. Not bad for an asian 7 footer. Link

Simmons is an all around player and may be able to compliment Yi at the forward rotation. Or NJ trades Swift/Diop/Nachbar/Hassell for a FA SF.

Sean is kind of screwed currently. He's not the shooting threat to play SF, and he's not strong enough to play PF. But his natural position is probably PF... except NJ is loaded there. If nothing changes, expect to see him running around at the SF a lot.


They have four spare parts that they simply don't need. Swift, for obvious reasons; Nachbar because he's expendable; Hassell because he makes too much.. although they may just like him play on the team for 2 more season so he expires in time for LBJ sweepstakes; Diop because they wont match his salary.
 
Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingd15 @ Jun 27 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....</div>

Yi will probably start, and play the most minutes of our 6-7 bigs.
We just traded RJ for him...
Frank will have to start him. Thorn and Ratner won't let Frank to bench him.

I don't see Krstic coming back, not even for 1 season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingd15 @ Jun 27 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....</div>

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DeSagana Diop is going back to Dallas.
Darrell Armstrong is done.
Boki? Can't see us resigning him, especially if he gets big money elsewhere.

So with that said, here is what our roster currently looks like:

PG - Devin Harris / Marcus Williams
SG - Vince Carter / Maurice Ager / Chris Douglas-Roberts
SF - Bobby Simmons / Ryan Anderson / Trenton Hassell
PF - Yi Jianlian / Josh Boone / Sean Williams / Stromile Swift
CE - Nenad Krstic / Brook Lopez

How do you guys feel about these group of guys? Personally, I see Kiki Thorn doing a couple more deals. There is a bit of a logjam at the PF spot (even if you interchange Nenad and Boone). Swift probably gets bought out or released, although I see us keeping him until Feb for trade purposes. Marcus as the backup PG? Will we trade him? Who will we be able to sign as a FA? I think more work is going to be done to reshape this roster a bit.
 
With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.
 
PG: Harris/new player
SG: Carter/CDR/Ager
SF: New Player/Simmons/Anderson or Yi
PF: Boone/SWat/Anderson
C: Lopez/Boone


The only other scenario I could see is Boone starting at center and Swat starting at PF.

We're going to make some trades and they aren't going to be for anymore bigs. So, you have to expect them to fill the backup PG and starting SF needs. I think they'll be able to do this with all of the assets they have. Maybe a guy like Pietrus at starting SF and some reliable vet at the backup PG spot. Maybe we finally acquire Lowry from the Grizz.

I would bet that Diop is gone. Nachbar will be unsigned. Swift and Marcus will be traded, and Nenad will be gone whether its a S&T or just not resigned at all. I don't even see them offering him the QO.


I think its very possible that CDR is our backup SG. Once the summer league and training camp starts, Frank should be confident enough to hand our backup SG spot to either CDR or Ager. I think both could fill that void.

I think Simmons could possibly start at SF for us. He's got the talent, but he is too fragile and it would be stupid not to anticipate some kind of injury. It would be a much safer move to sign a starting SF and have Simmons come off the bench. Worst case scenario is he gets hurt and we use Yi or Anderson as our backup SF's.

PF is pretty solid. I think Boone will be our starting PF with Swat backing him up. Swat will get alot of minutes here because Boone will slide over to center alot, and I think Kiki,Thorn and Frank have plans to increase Swat's role. More of an offensive player.

I know it sounds stupid, but I see Lopez starting at center for us for a couple of reasons. For one, he's our best center on the team if Nenad and Diop aren't here. And the second being that we aren't that good anyway, so we aren't risking playoff position by throwing this kid to the wolves. He'll have plenty of games early on his career where he'll get in early foul trouble that Swat and Yi will get plenty of time anyway.


I see Yi picking up the role that Swift had for us last year. Filling minutes when our bigs get in early foul trouble, and the occasional game where Frank decides to give him alot of minutes for no reason what so ever. I think the overall goal is to get him into a dependable rotation player, but I don't think he's anywhere close to ready for that, and I don' t think there's any need to rush him.

Anderson will see very limited time in Frank's rotation. I think he could fill some of the void Boki will leave, but he'll get as much playing time as Ager did last year. Maybe 5 mins a game, every few games with alot of DNP's sprinkled in.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div>


So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
 
I think Lopez and Boone can both co-exist at center. The question for me is what do we do with S. Williams, Yi, and Krstic?

Players I would like to unload: Swift, Hassell, Marcus, and Ager. Would like to unload Simmons, but know one will take that contract.

I'd like to keep Krstic at a cheap 2 year deal to see how he comes out of the injury. Would actually make him more valuable if he plays well post injury. I think Yi's true position will be PF as he puts on weight. He has the frame to add bulk to.

I'm torn on Sean. Like him and think he has potential, but with Yi and Lopez and a good back-up in Boone I don't know how much time there will be for him.

Do you tie him to the dead weight deal of Hassell? Do we try and do a package of Swift, Hassell, Marcus, Sean, KVH contract and pick for Marion? Gives Miami a big in Sean, a pg in Marcus, a pick, and expirings (including instant savings in KVH).

Going to be a big summer for Sean, Nenad and Yi between summer league and international games. Going to be a lot of scrutinizing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Lopez and Boone can both co-exist at center. The question for me is what do we do with S. Williams, Yi, and Krstic?

Players I would like to unload: Swift, Hassell, Marcus, and Ager. Would like to unload Simmons, but know one will take that contract.

I'd like to keep Krstic at a cheap 2 year deal to see how he comes out of the injury. Would actually make him more valuable if he plays well post injury. I think Yi's true position will be PF as he puts on weight. He has the frame to add bulk to.

I'm torn on Sean. Like him and think he has potential, but with Yi and Lopez and a good back-up in Boone I don't know how much time there will be for him.

Do you tie him to the dead weight deal of Hassell? Do we try and do a package of Swift, Hassell, Marcus, Sean, KVH contract and pick for Marion? Gives Miami a big in Sean, a pg in Marcus, a pick, and expirings (including instant savings in KVH).

Going to be a big summer for Sean, Nenad and Yi between summer league and international games. Going to be a lot of scrutinizing.</div>
Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem</div>
Sean and Marcus sound like nice potential pieces to put around them.

Not sure what else they can get for him. Works for us because Marion is expiring and isn't a long term commitment for us.

I heard they were trying to get Brand with Marion, but with Beasley and Haslem there that doesn't make much sense. It's not like Brand can play center.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerkstore @ Jun 27 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div>


So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
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did Yi play some SF for the bucks last season?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerkstore @ Jun 27 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div>


So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
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Yeah, I think he can. I just have a man crush on CDR.
 
well i hope CDR can translate into a solid NBA game and even surprise some people (non believers)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem</div>
Sean and Marcus sound like nice potential pieces to put around them.

Not sure what else they can get for him. Works for us because Marion is expiring and isn't a long term commitment for us.

I heard they were trying to get Brand with Marion, but with Beasley and Haslem there that doesn't make much sense. It's not like Brand can play center.
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Oh, boozer is on their wish list, too
 
pat riley is convinced that he is goin to get boozer cuz he has a house in south beach and spends summers there... we shall see if he really wants to leave deron and the jazz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerkstore @ Jun 27 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div>


So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
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Yeah, I think he can. I just have a man crush on CDR.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem</div>
Sean and Marcus sound like nice potential pieces to put around them.

Not sure what else they can get for him. Works for us because Marion is expiring and isn't a long term commitment for us.

I heard they were trying to get Brand with Marion, but with Beasley and Haslem there that doesn't make much sense. It's not like Brand can play center.
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Oh, boozer is on their wish list, too
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Do they see him or Haslem as a center? Marion makes no sense for Utah. I don't see why Utah would even entertain trading Boozer. They're on the verge.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem</div>
Sean and Marcus sound like nice potential pieces to put around them.

Not sure what else they can get for him. Works for us because Marion is expiring and isn't a long term commitment for us.

I heard they were trying to get Brand with Marion, but with Beasley and Haslem there that doesn't make much sense. It's not like Brand can play center.
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Oh, boozer is on their wish list, too
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Do they see him or Haslem as a center? Marion makes no sense for Utah. I don't see why Utah would even entertain trading Boozer. They're on the verge.
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Nah, they're tryna get him via FA
 
Yi is 7ft tall and 240 lbs...no way should he be playing more than spot minutes at SF. He's athletic, but not that athletic. He would be a sieve defensively at the 3.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerkstore @ Jun 27 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now..

PG: Harris / Williams

SG: CDR / Ager

SF: Carter / Simmons

PF: Yi / Williams

C: Lopez / Swift

With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div>


So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
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Yeah, I think he can. I just have a man crush on CDR.
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me too, I hope he starts
 
I know it's still early, but if you could only make a few tweaks and use the current team what would you do?

I would re-sign Krstic to either 2 years for $5-6mm total or the QO. See if he can bounce back and become more valuable.
I would try to trade KVH contract, Ager and Hassell to Seattle for Watson and Wilkins (both expire 2010). Saves Seattle some money and we get back-up pg and wing.
Trade Marcus for a future pick... 2nd rounder... heavily protected 1st... i don't care.

Lineup:

C: Krstic/Lopez/S. Williams
PF: Yi/Boone/Swift
SF: Simmons/Wilkins/Anderson
SG: Carter/CDR
PG: Harris/Watson

Decent mix of vets and young guys.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know it's still early, but if you could only make a few tweaks and use the current team what would you do?

I would re-sign Krstic to either 2 years for $5-6mm total or the QO. See if he can bounce back and become more valuable.
I would try to trade KVH contract, Ager and Hassell to Seattle for Watson and Wilkins (both expire 2010). Saves Seattle some money and we get back-up pg and wing.
Trade Marcus for a future pick... 2nd rounder... heavily protected 1st... i don't care.

Lineup:

C: Krstic/Lopez/S. Williams
PF: Yi/Boone/Swift
SF: Simmons/Wilkins/Anderson
SG: Carter/CDR
PG: Harris/Watson

Decent mix of vets and young guys.</div>

C: Lopez
PF: Yi
Sf: Simmons
Sg: Carter
PG: Harris
 
This is like the 3rd or 4th thread I've seen about line-ups, haha. I'll merge and re-name the original thread, so people don't get confused any more...
 
Why not play CDR at the 3 and Carter at the 2? Ager would then backup Carter and Simmons would play w/ CDR.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NJNets @ Jun 28 2008, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why not play CDR at the 3 and Carter at the 2? Ager would then backup Carter and Simmons would play w/ CDR.</div>

Because Frank's tendencies aren't to start a rookie from the start. Especially if a good veteran is available. The starting lineup will likely include Carter and Simmons.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NJNets @ Jun 27 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why not play CDR at the 3 and Carter at the 2? Ager would then backup Carter and Simmons would play w/ CDR.</div>

No way. That needs to be switched. CDR has a WEAK, WEAK, WEAK frame. He is too skinny and puny to play the 3. There is a reason he wears a shirt under that Memphis jersey. He needs to add some lean muscle.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would re-sign Krstic to either 2 years for $5-6mm total or the QO. See if he can bounce back and become more valuable.
I would try to trade KVH contract, Ager and Hassell to Seattle for Watson and Wilkins (both expire 2010). Saves Seattle some money and we get back-up pg and wing.
Trade Marcus for a future pick... 2nd rounder... heavily protected 1st... i don't care.

Lineup:


C: Krstic/Lopez/S. Williams
PF: Yi/Boone/Swift
SF: Simmons/Wilkins/Anderson
SG: Carter/CDR
PG: Harris/Watson

Decent mix of vets and young guys.</div>

Like the Seattle trade, I thought of a similar one, it makes sense after they drafted Westbrook and they are going young.

I dont know what the market is for Krstic, so I agree hell stay for at least a little while longer. I would start Lopez in your scenario though.

I would want one more SG though. Maybe take a flier on Bellineli(and a 2nd) for Sean Williams
Or Swift, Ager, and S.Williams for Harrington and Bellineli. Harrington fits into the master plan, deal saves GS some money, so they can hang onto some of their bigger players.

Either way I would like to trade Swift for a shooter, and trade Marcus, maybe for Reddick. Or Marcus and Krstic for Reddick and Batie. Krstic fits with Orlando bc hes more effective from 15 feet, while Howards most effective 15 feet above the rim.

W/ the Seattle and GS deal
Harris/Watson
VC/CDR/Bellineli
Harrington/Simmons
Yi/Boone
Lopez/Krstic

W/ the Seattle and Magic deal

Harris/Watson
VC/Reddick/CDR
Simmons/Anderson
Yi/SW
Lopez/Boone
 
Harris/ Mwill
Vince/ CDR
Simmons/ Anderson
Yi/ Swill
Boone/ Lopez


Thats just for now, not sure about the backups...

Really interesting to see if Lopez wil get the starting job over Boone. I think he has more offense.



ITS really CRAZY seeing all these new fans because of YI!!!
 
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