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What is your religion?

  • Catholic

    Votes: 5 9.8%

  • Other Christian

    Votes: 13 25.5%

  • Mormon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Muslim

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hindu

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Buddhist/Taoist/Confusionist

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Spiritualist?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Atheist

    Votes: 12 23.5%

  • Agnostic

    Votes: 11 21.6%

  • Anti Organized Religion

    Votes: 8 15.7%
  • Total voters
    51
BLAZER PROPHET said:
But that has been proven by eye witnesses, historians and archeology.
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if you already believe jesus was born of a virgin, worked miracles, rose form the dead, and ascended bodily to heaven i would think whether somebody prophecied about him or not would be irrelevant : )

I remember I had the same sceptical arguments, but when I went to disprove it, I found it couldn't be unless one intentionally refuses to believe clear facts
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so the 2/3 of the educated world and 93%+ of members of the national acadamy of sciences that reject christianity are secretly compelled by objective evidence, but are intentionally refusing to believe out of pure stubbornness? how arrogant is that to say?

it couldn't possibly be that your "clear facts" really aren't as clear as you think?
 
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crowTrobot said:
technically an agnostic wouldn't be concerned with evidence.
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I use agnostic in the more general sense, as the word can be and is used in non-spiritual matters (being agnostic on an issue). That more general form of agnosticism is not taking a belief about something unknowable. It can apply to existence of god, or about the value of "intangibles" in sports, like "heart."

As things stand today, the existence of god is unknowable. If we had evidence in one direction or the other, there would be knowledge.

also, i assume you're referring only to a deistic god.
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Absolutely. I actively disbelieve in a personal, intervening god.
 
Kind of surprised that Atheist/Agnostic makes up nearly half the respondents so far. That's a far greater showing than the public at large.

I'm technically an atheist. I say "technically" because I am so in the same way I'm a "liberal." Both words have been so demonized that I find it hard to even describe myself as such, even though it's what I am.

I suspect that at some point atheists will just commandeer the word "agnostic," because it's a lot less threatening sounding. In much the same way "liberals" are trying to re-brand themselves as "progressives."
 
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mook said:
Kind of surprised that Atheist/Agnostic makes up nearly have the respondents so far. That's a far greater showing than the public at large.

I'm technically an atheist. I say "technically" because I am so in the same way I'm a "liberal." Both words have been so demonized that I find it hard to even describe myself as such, even though it's what I am.

I suspect that at some point atheists will just commandeer the word "agnostic," because it's a lot less threatening sounding. In much the same way "liberals" are trying to re-brand themselves as "progressives."
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I think Oregon has a pretty high Atheist/Agnostic demographic

edit: This is percent of those with religious belief
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Most people who say they are agnostic, are in fact atheist. I'm an atheist and I don't claim to know there is no God. Most atheists I know do not claim this either, although there are some ignorant atheists who do. The reason I don't know if there is a God or not is the same reason I don't know if there is an alternate Earth where people wear underwear on their heads, or any other ridiculous notion that can't be disproved.

When there is no evidence for something existing, I tend to believe it doesn't exist. Hence, the belief that there is no God. Self-proclaimed agnostics, does this differ from your thought process? If so, how?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Most people who say they are agnostic, are in fact atheist. I'm an atheist and I don't claim to know there is no God. Most atheists I know do not claim this either, although there are some ignorant atheists who do. The reason I don't know if there is a God or not is the same reason I don't know if there is an alternate Earth where people wear underwear on their heads, or any other ridiculous notion that can't be disproved.

When there is no evidence for something existing, I tend to believe it doesn't exist. Hence, the belief that there is no God. Self-proclaimed agnostics, does this differ from your thought process? If so, how?
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Being an agnostic, I don't know if there is a God or if there isn't a God. Traditional atheists believe that there is no god, and that the existence of a god-like entity is impossible. You sound like more of an agnostic than an atheist, IMO. I believe that there could be some sort of supernatural or higher being, but I don't know if there is one, so I don't follow it and I just go about with my life.
 
PapaG said:
Traditional atheists believe that there is no god, and that the existence of a god-like entity is impossible.
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absolutely false. in fact from what i've seen the notion that atheists believe there can't be a god usually originates as a straw man argument from christians to shift the burden of proof for their own belief.

the VAST majority of people that consider themselves atheists both currently and traditionally do not claim to be certain there is no god of any kind, nor claim that a god-like entity is impossible.
 
crowTrobot said:
absolutely false. in fact from what i've seen the notion that atheists believe there can't be a god usually originates as a straw man argument from christians to shift the burden of proof for their own belief.

the VAST majority of people that consider themselves atheists both currently and traditionally do not claim to be certain there is no god of any kind, nor claim that a god-like entity is impossible.
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Then they aren't traditional atheists. :dunno:

Atheism is based upon a materialist philosophy, which holds that nothing exists but natural phenomena. There are no supernatural forces or entities, nor can there be any. Nature simply exists
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http://www.atheists.org/atheism/history_of_atheism
 
crowTrobot said:
absolutely false. in fact from what i've seen the notion that atheists believe there can't be a god usually originates as a straw man argument from christians to shift the burden of proof for their own belief.
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Or, you've been misrepresenting atheism, which seems more likely the case based on your post. :devilwink:
 
Atheism can refer either to the rejection of theism,[1] or to the position that deities do not exist.[2] In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[3]
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says the all mighty wiki

1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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says dictionary.com

Those are both definite answers that "god does not exist" There is not room for maybes. I have recently been enlightened that I do not know everything (ironic huh) thus god may exist. I think there are two avenues you can go down, there is no evidence god exists so he can't exist OR there is no evidence god exists, but there is no evidence he doesn't exist so he may or may not exist.

BTW agnostic here, basically the same thing as papaG (i don't care and i'll go on with my life) but leaning more towards the "not exist"
 
PapaG said:
I'm not sure the ironic smiley exists, so it's either ironic or it isn't ironic. Being agnostic has me so confused. :confused:
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it's ironic because it's a devil and you're talking about god not existing.
 
crowTrobot said:
lack of belief in god is not responsible for liberal extremism or socialism.
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I didn't say it was. A lack of belief in God, however, certainly correlates to a lack of acceptance of any moral absolutes that are found in the Bible, Koran, or other religious sources...which of course leads to moral relativism and the assumption that we can all decide what is "right" for ourselves. Pretty tough to keep that world view out of your politics.
 
e_blazer said:
I didn't say it was. A lack of belief in God, however, certainly correlates to a lack of acceptance of any moral absolutes that are found in the Bible, Koran, or other religious sources...which of course leads to moral relativism and the assumption that we can all decide what is "right" for ourselves. Pretty tough to keep that world view out of your politics.
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moral relativism like "it's wrong to kill anyone except in times of war" i'm pretty sure that's a Christian thing too?:crazy:
 
RR7 said:
100% proof of prophecy?

So does Lord of the Rings. They prophesized about the return of the king, and then it happened. Along with many other things. OMG!! Who has thr ring? Hide it! Hide it!

for the poll, atheist.
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:lol:

I'm an atheist.
 
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