Notice Where does Damian Lillard fall among All-Time Trail Blazers backcourt greats?

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I think Dame will pass Drexler, but he's not there yet. Also I think putting Roy ahead of Petrie over values Roy and under values Petrie. For that matter, if Roy had been healthy, he may have achieved more than Porter; but he wasn't, and he didn't.

Drexler (Temporarily)
Lillard
Petrie
Porter
Roy
Hollins
Paxson
 
BBert said:
I think Dame will pass Drexler, but he's not there yet. Also I think putting Roy ahead of Petrie over values Roy and under values Petrie. For that matter, if Roy had been healthy, he may have achieved more than Porter; but he wasn't, and he didn't.

Drexler (Temporarily)
Lillard
Petrie
Porter
Roy
Hollins
Paxson
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I’ve always had an axe to grind when it comes to Drexler because (personal opinion) the man just totally lacked heart. He was more interested in making excuses instead of effort. So Dame gets it for me. You’re probably correct about me putting Roy over Petrie (and I LOVED Petrie) but Roy got us to the playoffs, Petrie never did. And because Hollins has the ring, does that mean he should be rated higher than Porter? It’s all subjective but the exercise reminds us we’ve had some pretty damn good guards over the years......
 
Haha I didn't even think about CJ. Because we have Dame. If we'd never had Dame and CJ was doing what he's doing, we'd be having this conversation about CJ.

Good call.

:cheers:
 
I'd sneak Brandon in there. His peak (although short-lived) was matched by like 2 other dudes.
 
"Blazer fans select Lillard as most tradable Blazer!"
 
Drexler was lazy as lazy can be from a practice and improvement standpoint, but he had more raw talent than any Blazer before, and maybe since.

Lillard is the exact opposite: mentally strong, with a will to improve I've never seen in a player before. A top shelf talent with a gym rat attitude.

Right now, Drexler is tops because he was the talent that got us to the Finals twice; but the second Lillard gets us to the WCF, he'll be tops.
 
Mediocre Man said:
321 games
19/4/5

vs

447 games
23/4/6

How is Mr. Timberwolf better?
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The worship for Roy makes no sense to me. He was here for four years. He was hurt for a large portion of it. He has completely abandoned the city since he left. Dame is, by really any measurement, a much better player, and a much more engaged part of the community.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The worship for Roy makes no sense to me. He was here for four years. He was hurt for a large portion of it. He has completely abandoned the city since he left. Dame is, by really any measurement, a much better player, and a much more engaged part of the community.
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Exactly.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Lillard
Drexler
Roy
Petrie
Porter
Hollins
Paxson
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1. Hollins (won us a Championship!)
2. Twardzik (won us a Championship!)
3. Porter (got us to a couple)
4. Drexler
5. Lillard
6. Petrie
7. Roy

Until a guard leads us to the promise land Holland and Twardzik sit on top the list. Why? Because only one thing matters - a ring!
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
1. Hollins (won us a Championship!)
2. Twardzik (won us a Championship!)
3. Porter (got us to a couple)
4. Drexler
5. Lillard
6. Petrie
7. Roy

Until a guard leads us to the promise land Holland and Twardzik sit on top the list. Why? Because only one thing matters - a ring!
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So we should trade Dame for Shaun Livingston?
 
BonesJones said:
So we should trade Dame for Shaun Livingston?
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Didn’t say such a thing. What I am saying is that Walton is the best Center in team “history” and Lucas and Gross are the best forwards in team history and Hollins and Twardzik are our best guards in team history. If Lillard wants to join these ranks, win us a championship.

There is time....
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Didn’t say such a thing. What I am saying is that Walton is the best Center in team “history” and Lucas and Gross are the best forwards in team history and Hollins and Twardzik are our best guards in team history. If Lillard wants to join these ranks, win us a championship.

There is time....
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So we're completely excluding talent then..
 
Mediocre Man said:
Speaking of not getting over someone.

Fuck Roy
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Exactly. Now stop being a hypocrite when we talk shit about TT.

At least Roy didn't quit on us. I find it interesting that you hate Roy but believe our vitriol for TT is unfounded.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
1. Hollins (won us a Championship!)
2. Twardzik (won us a Championship!)
3. Porter (got us to a couple)
4. Drexler
5. Lillard
6. Petrie
7. Roy

Until a guard leads us to the promise land Holland and Twardzik sit on top the list. Why? Because only one thing matters - a ring!
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So Robert Horry is better than Jordan?

At least by your logic.
 
It is my opinion that Roy pretty much saved this franchise from being moved - you could not give tickets to homeless people in the rain for a couple of years before he came. He was also a great guy from the limited experience I had with him - and was amazing in his ability to do stuff on the court. If that dude was healthy - he would have been a top-5 player in this league.

For me Roy will always be one of the greats, even if we were robbed of seeing him healthy.
 
andalusian said:
It is my opinion that Roy pretty much saved this franchise from being moved - you could not give tickets to homeless people in the rain for a couple of years before he came. He was also a great guy from the limited experience I had with him - and was amazing in his ability to do stuff on the court. If that dude was healthy - he would have been a top-5 player in this league.

For me Roy will always be one of the greats, even if we were robbed of seeing him healthy.
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In 08-09, he was universally acclaimed as a top 10 player. And what he was doing seemed like more than noise. That's a peak that's higher than pretty much everyone but Clyde.

How much do we weigh longevity?
 
dviss1 said:
Exactly. Now stop being a hypocrite when we talk shit about TT.

At least Roy didn't quit on us. I find it interesting that you hate Roy but believe our vitriol for TT is unfounded.
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Roy ABSOLUTELY quit on us. Then signed with a rival after his millions were in his pockets.

Aldridge gave the Blazers over a years notice
 
To me, it's Clyde #1, Dame #2, and Brandon # 3. When it's all said and done, I look for Dame to become the greatest Blazer ever.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
Drexler was lazy as lazy can be from a practice and improvement standpoint, but he had more raw talent than any Blazer before, and maybe since.

Lillard is the exact opposite: mentally strong, with a will to improve I've never seen in a player before. A top shelf talent with a gym rat attitude.

Right now, Drexler is tops because he was the talent that got us to the Finals twice; but the second Lillard gets us to the WCF, he'll be tops.
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Home run on your take
 
Mediocre Man said:
Roy ABSOLUTELY quit on us. Then signed with a rival after his millions were in his pockets.

Aldridge gave the Blazers over a years notice
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Roy didn't quit on us. His knees quit on him.
Lest ye forget the amnesty rules?

Now stop revising history and acting like this didn't happen:

LaMarcus Aldridge says he's happy now with Blazers

He's the two-time All-Star who reportedly wanted out of this sleepy little city during the summer, and now he's the veteran leader of this team that is promising enough that he talks about it with a pleasant grin fixed on his face. So – in the name of knowing whether he's the next star who plans to force his way to a larger market – is he happy or not?

"I'm happy here right now," Aldridge told USA TODAY Sports while sitting on a bench inside the team's practice facility. "I feel like we have a team that can win, that can make noise, and I feel like if we buy in then anything is possible. So I'm happy, and it's still my team and I'm playing well.

"I feel like the team has jelled around me. I feel like coach (Terry Stotts) has trusted me more this year to where I'm getting different opportunities that I didn't get last year, so I think everything is going great right now."

The cynics in the crowd will focus on the fact that Aldridge said 'right now' twice as if it was a subconscious qualifier of sorts, and that's understandable given how the NBA culture programs us to assume young stars will long for the grass that isn't always greener. But that much notwithstanding, this much is clear: he's a whole lot happier now than he was at the end of last season.

In the here and now, Aldridge – who has two seasons and a combined $30 million left on his deal – said there is no desire to be traded or a request of any sort that general manager Neil Olshey move him to a better situation if that opportunity presents itself. And while rival front-office executives will certainly continue monitoring his situation, the league-wide belief is that he's going nowhere unless a proposal includes, among other things, an All-Star player in return. When asked what the current message to management is, Aldridge said, "It's not 'If there's a better deal, then get me out of (Portland) or take that. It's 'We're here. Let's win, and let's try to have the best season that we can.'"

The vast improvement in Aldridge's mood is not hard to understand. After seeing the Blazers falter so badly at the finish last season (they lost 13 consecutive games after starting 33-36), he wanted a veteran center to play alongside him rather than a fellow forward (6-foot-nine JJ Hickson started 80 games for Portland last season). Now, after the latest handy-work of the second-year Blazers general manager who did wonders turning the Clippers into contenders before coming to Portland, Aldridge shares the floor with sixth-year pro Robin Lopez (acquired from New Orleans in a three-team trade on July 4) and a British back-up big man in Joel Freeland who has impressed in the early going and beat second-year center Meyers Leonard for his role (Freeland was drafted 30th by the Blazers in 2006 but played internationally until returning last season).

After being such a big part of the Blazers teams that made the playoffs from 2009 to 2011, Aldridge quickly grew tired of the rebuilding route and was yearning for more of a veteran presence on the roster. On cue, Olshey – who was part of the team's makeover that included the addition of Stotts two summers ago – brought in the likes of Dorell Wright, Earl Watson and Mo Williams as free agents to help balance the youth movement headed by reigning Rookie of the Year Damian Lillard.

With every move, Aldridge's frustrations were allayed a little more.

"The team that we have now is a good balance of old and young, a good balance of hungry and – not satisfied – but hungry and older," said Aldridge, who is averaging 24.5 points and 6.3 rebounds per game during the Blazers' 2-2 start that included wins vs. Denver and San Antonio after an opening-night loss to Phoenix and Tuesday night's loss to the Houston Rockets. "By 'hungry' I mean (players like) T-Rob (Thomas Robinson), who was a (No. 5) pick and he's trying to prove that he should be here (Robinson was traded to Portland from Houston on July 1).

"You've got (2012 second-round pick) Will Barton, who feels like he should be here. So these guys are really hungry. You have Joel Freeland, who was drafted in my draft and got sent overseas for five or six years, and he's here now and hungry trying to prove that he should be here. I think having that balance of these (players) who want to go out and kill it every night and prove some things has been good for me."

Meanwhile, the older additions came with a convenient ripple effect on the dynamic between Aldridge and Stotts that, he said, was at times difficult.

"I think having Terry adjust to having older players has been great too," Aldridge continued. "I feel like last year, we were so young that it was just too strict for me last year. I went from having (teammates in) Marcus Camby, Andre Miller and Gerald Wallace – (players) who coaches know that those guys are pros so it wasn't as strict – to having this really young team last year where everything was just so strict that I didn't know how to handle it. But this year I feel like coach is giving us a little bit more leeway of (saying) 'I have veterans now,' so it's been good for me."

Stotts, the former Milwaukee Bucks head coach who was a trusted assistant under Rick Carlisle in Dallas when he was hired as Blazers coach, is convinced Aldridge is content again.

"He's playing at a very high level," Stotts said. "He's certainly in a rhythm. I think he appreciates the roster moves that we made and knows that we're going to be a competitive team this year. I think he has seen the growth in the young guys.

"He was frustrated with losing. He wants to win….He's in the prime of his career, (and) he wants to be on a playoff team."

Stotts, it should be noted, clearly has a strong sense of understanding when it comes to Aldridge's frustrations. Players in their primes, as he well knows, almost always grow tired of teams on the decline. Yet conveniently enough, Aldridge – who made his view known publicly in late October that he sees the Blazers finishing seventh in the Western Conference – has become a believer.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Roy ABSOLUTELY quit on us. Then signed with a rival after his millions were in his pockets.

Aldridge gave the Blazers over a years notice
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After we amnestied Roy, he couldn't re-sign with us for several more years (the length of the contract). I get that he hasn't been involved enough with this team since he left but it's not like he had an option to stay and simply chose another team.
 
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