Notice Where does Damian Lillard fall among All-Time Trail Blazers backcourt greats?

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BigGameDamian said:
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I would rank Brandon Roy number 1. Lillard would be above Drexler and Drexler would be tied with Petrie and just slightly ahead of Hollins who was clearly our best defensive guard.
 
dviss1 said:
So Robert Horry is better than Jordan?

At least by your logic.
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While Twardzik was great, I would rank him at about number 6. But your ranking of Hollins deserves attention.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Didn’t say such a thing. What I am saying is that Walton is the best Center in team “history” and Lucas and Gross are the best forwards in team history and Hollins and Twardzik are our best guards in team history. If Lillard wants to join these ranks, win us a championship.

There is time....
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Have to agree with everything except the Bobby Gross ranking who was great but not that great. Also have to take issue with your Lillard criticism. He's rising in my ranking of guards.

By the way, Rich Adelman was one of our worst point guards ever. He was so bad that we used to boo his play in the old Memorial Coliseum. Look h9w he turned out, one of the best coaches ever.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The worship for Roy makes no sense to me. He was here for four years. He was hurt for a large portion of it. He has completely abandoned the city since he left. Dame is, by really any measurement, a much better player, and a much more engaged part of the community.
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Then by this measure, Petrie probably shouldn’t count either. His career wasn’t much longer than Roy’s and it too was due to knee issues. I didn’t put Petrie on my list for sentimental reasons, I put him on it because was he was a helluva player. Same with Roy.
 
If I were to judge it by using the 'If I had one guy for one healthy year' theme, I would pick as follows:

1- Drexler
2- Roy
3- Porter
4- Lillard
5- Hollins

I gave leadership for Porter and Hollins over guys with better stats.
 
lamlor said:
If I were to judge it by using the 'If I had one guy for one healthy year' theme, I would pick as follows:

1- Drexler
2- Roy
3- Porter
4- Lillard
5- Hollins

I gave leadership for Porter and Hollins over guys with better stats.
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Um, Porter's leadership (and Roy's, for that matter, since his stats aren't there) is more than Dame's?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Roy ABSOLUTELY quit on us. Then signed with a rival after his millions were in his pockets.

Aldridge gave the Blazers over a years notice
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Since when did the perennial lottery fodder Timberwolves become a rival?
 
BrianFromWA said:
Um, Porter's leadership (and Roy's, for that matter, since his stats aren't there) is more than Dame's?
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Porter was the starting PG and vocal leader of a team that went to the championship two times so ya. Roy had great stats. He just didn't have longevity. There wasn't a better clutch player for Blazers for decades. I would want the ball in his hands for the last shot of any big game.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Um, Porter's leadership (and Roy's, for that matter, since his stats aren't there) is more than Dame's?
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And as far as Dame goes, he talks a lot but not sold on his leadership. Just because a guy wants to be a leader, that doesn't make him a great leader. Has he taken players to a hire level? If so, these players suck more than I thought. I don't play the homer game. Give him props for staying in Portland, but don't be blinded by his overall value. Stats lie.
 
lamlor said:
And as far as Dame goes, he talks a lot but not sold on his leadership. Just because a guy wants to be a leader, that doesn't make him a great leader. Has he taken players to a hire level? If so, these players suck more than I thought. I don't play the homer game. Give him props for staying in Portland, but don't be blinded by his overall value. Stats lie.
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These players may suck more than you thought. But I'm intrigued by how you think Roy brought out the best in LMA (who he feuded with and who didn't break out into LaMonster until after Roy left), Bayless, Jack, Przy....I mean, maybe?
If "stats lie", which I'm willing to discuss, how is it that you value Dame? I'd submit that giving teammates credit in his interviews, running pre-season workout sessions and team camps, going to bat for teammates to the owner, etc, all on a team that is overachieving by any realistic expectation, is pretty decent, and doesn't include stats.
If we include stats, Dame has the edge in everything except rebounding (by 0.2 per game) and FG% (45.9 to 43.7%). Errrythang. Including playoffs.
 
lamlor said:
And as far as Dame goes, he talks a lot but not sold on his leadership. Just because a guy wants to be a leader, that doesn't make him a great leader. Has he taken players to a hire level? If so, these players suck more than I thought. I don't play the homer game. Give him props for staying in Portland, but don't be blinded by his overall value. Stats lie.
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Ask his teammates and they seem to believe he is an excellent leader. I buy what they say over your doubts, HANDS DOWN.
 


This was from Nov. Maybe the stats have gotten worse (there is a lot of noise in SSS)...
 
lamlor said:
Porter was the starting PG and vocal leader of a team that went to the championship two times so ya. Roy had great stats. He just didn't have longevity. There wasn't a better clutch player for Blazers for decades. I would want the ball in his hands for the last shot of any big game.
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Porter was fantastic, but had wayyyy better talent around him than Dame does now. Not even close.
 
lamlor said:
Porter was the starting PG and vocal leader of a team that went to the championship two times so ya. Roy had great stats. He just didn't have longevity. There wasn't a better clutch player for Blazers for decades. I would want the ball in his hands for the last shot of any big game.
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I consider Roy and Dame to be equal when it comes to taking and hitting that last shot. Both are incredible in that scenario. Dame, though hit the biggest shot in a playoff game between the two though in that situation.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
1. Hollins (won us a Championship!)
2. Twardzik (won us a Championship!)
3. Porter (got us to a couple)
4. Drexler
5. Lillard
6. Petrie
7. Roy

Until a guard leads us to the promise land Holland and Twardzik sit on top the list. Why? Because only one thing matters - a ring!
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C'mon now. Twardzik? Pinball was a nice roll player. Him, Hollins, and Davis ALL got to play with Walton and Lucas. TP ahead of Clyde? C'mon now.
 
tykendo said:
C'mon now. Twardzik? Pinball was a nice roll player. Him, Hollins, and Davis ALL got to play with Walton and Lucas. TP ahead of Clyde? C'mon now.
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That's like saying Trent Dilfer ahead of Dan Marino.
 
To me, the biggest and heaviest deciding factor in this, is the ability to take a team on his back, and lead them to victory through personal play, & will. The most dynamic in that situation in the history of the Blazers at the guard position are Clyde Drexler, and Damian Lillard. Roy to a lesser degree had some of those moments as well, but not the consistency of the other two. And out of Clyde, and Dame, I like the killer instinct of Dame the most.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Roy's leadership consisted of getting ZBO traded off the team, and whining that the ball was going into Oden too much. I'm pretty sure he was also behind Steve Blake starting over Andre Miller.
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All this. FUCK ROY
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
1. Hollins (won us a Championship!)
2. Twardzik (won us a Championship!)
3. Porter (got us to a couple)
4. Drexler
5. Lillard
6. Petrie
7. Roy

Until a guard leads us to the promise land Holland and Twardzik sit on top the list. Why? Because only one thing matters - a ring!
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Have to disagree with your logic of Twardzik and Hollins being the best based on a championship. It takes a complete team to win a championship and they weren;t even the best players on that tea, where as Roy and Lillard are clearly the best players on their respective teams. Also, by your logic, Avery Johnson should be considered a better point guard than Stockton or Nash as Johnson has a ring and Stockton and Nash never won one.
 
CupWizier said:
Have to disagree with your logic of Twardzik and Hollins being the best based on a championship. It takes a complete team to win a championship and they weren;t even the best players on that tea, where as Roy and Lillard are clearly the best players on their respective teams. Also, by your logic, Avery Johnson should be considered a better point guard than Stockton or Nash as Johnson has a ring and Stockton and Nash never won one.
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Exactly
 
tykendo said:
Ask his teammates and they seem to believe he is an excellent leader. I buy what they say over your doubts, HANDS DOWN.
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I am glad you do because teammates never lie about the star on the team...until they leave.
 
 
Here's my ranking -
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Drexler no doubt on the top of the list.

Lillard-Porter was a tough decision Terry with 4 more years as a Blazer, and of course those 2 finals appearances just made me give him the edge for the time being.

CJ will be passing Twardzik in my book soon.

I thought about ranking Steve Blake higher, but, well, you know, he is Steve Blake.
 
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