Where does Lillard rank among NBA Pgs?

[OSUblazers]

I've got these guys ahead of him (no particular order)

Cp3
Rondo
Nash
Parker
Dwill
Rubio
Irving
Westbrook
Lowry
Lawson

Dame has been great and I believe to already be a top 10-15pg, i cant put him ahead of lawson yet because dame has only played a couple games. But you could make the argument. No Drose because I don't think he comes back the same. Dame has a lot of Lowry in him. They are strikingly similar.

 

[Darkwebs]

Where's Felton on your list?

 

[Rhal]

For a team in our situation there are only a couple that fit the long term mold holiday, collison, lawson, rubio, curry, irving, lillard. I wouldnt take any of them over lillard.

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[OSUblazers]

Hmm Felton left a sour taste in my mouth and I haven't watched a ton of Knicks bball
Probably after dame, curry, and maybe jennings

 

[Natebishop3]

Rubio can't stay healthy. I wouldn't put him ahead of Lillard.

 

[OSUblazers]

For a team in our situation there are only a couple that fit the long term mold holiday, collison, lawson, rubio, curry, irving, lillard. I wouldnt take any of them over lillard.

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I would take Irving (younger, better) and Rubio (younger, elite defender, elite passer, would thrive next to nic, Wes, and LMA)
But I wouldn't take any of those other guys over same especially since he's still got a lot of room to grow

 

[OSUblazers]

Rubio can't stay healthy. I wouldn't put him ahead of Lillard.

He had and unfortunate knee injury but was perfectly fine every game before that according to the game log

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Lillard is ranked right behind all the other PGs who can score 27 and get red hot in crunch time. List those and put him at the end of that list.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would take Irving (younger, better) and Rubio (younger, elite defender, elite passer, would thrive next to nic, Wes, and LMA)
But I wouldn't take any of those other guys over same especially since he's still got a lot of room to grow

It's still simply too early to tell. I can't wait to see what his numbers are at the end of the year, and then compare those to some of these other guards.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Lillard >rubio

I would take irving over lillard though

 

[OSUblazers]

Lillard is ranked right behind all the other PGs who can score 27 and get red hot in crunch time. List those and put him at the end of that list.

So he's better than rondo
Thats a dumb way to judge a player, there is a lot more to the game, especially for a pg, than scoring

 

[Natebishop3]

Lillard >rubio

I would take irving over lillard though

Right now? Yes. We'll see who's better in a couple of years.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So he's better than rondo
Thats a dumb way to judge a player, there is a lot more to the game, especially for a pg, than scoring

Sorry.

 

[NOVoodoo]

The main thing that I'd see holding him back at this point is the turnover rate. I understand that when you're a team's primary ballhandler and backcourt scoring option, you're going to get a lot of turnovers just by the nature of your job, but then again, I also think that if you inserted a lot of other guys into his role, they could put up similar or better offensive numbers with a lower turnover rate.

 

[OSUblazers]

Lillard >rubio

I would take irving over lillard though

Idk
Rubio made this roster a playoff team with no offseason, their was absolutely no help on the wings


Kevin love
Nikola pekovic
Jj barea
Luke ridnour
Michael Beasley
Martell Webster
Wesley Johnson
Derrick Williams
Darko milicic
Brad miller
Anthony tolliver
Malcolm lee

If we make the playoffs this year and dame was a big reason then yeah dame>rubio

 

[BlazerCaravan]

The main thing that I'd see holding him back at this point is the turnover rate. I understand that when you're a team's primary ballhandler and backcourt scoring option, you're going to get a lot of turnovers just by the nature of your job, but then again, I also think that if you inserted a lot of other guys into his role, they could put up similar or better offensive numbers with a lower turnover rate.

So is he good or not?

 

[Natebishop3]

The main thing that I'd see holding him back at this point is the turnover rate. I understand that when you're a team's primary ballhandler and backcourt scoring option, you're going to get a lot of turnovers just by the nature of your job, but then again, I also think that if you inserted a lot of other guys into his role, they could put up similar or better offensive numbers.

Such as?

The turnovers are a combination of a sloppy team overall, and the fact that he's a rookie who has only played 9 games...

 

[OSUblazers]

Right now? Yes. We'll see who's better in a couple of years.

Irving is younger so that's not a great question to put out there.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Irving is younger so that's not a great question to put out there.

I really don't like the assumption that a younger player's ceiling is significantly higher than an older player's when both are younger than 25. But I'm probably being stupid again, huh?

 

[illmatic99]

Clutch as fuck too. Looked like BRoy out there disseccting the D.

 

[OSUblazers]

I really don't like the assumption that a younger player's ceiling is significantly higher than an older player's when both are younger than 25. But I'm probably being stupid again, huh?

Irving was basically a freshman in college last season. Dame played 4 years of college.

 

[NOVoodoo]

So is he good or not?

Of course he's good. I'm just not sure if you could include him in that top tier of point guards yet.

It's unfair to try to rank a rookie amongst established veterans though. I think a better question is:

Damian Lillard or '11-12 Kyrie Irving?

Such as?

The turnovers are a combination of a sloppy team overall, and the fact that he's a rookie who has only played 9 games...

If being a rookie who has only played 9 games can be an excuse for his turnover rate, then I don't think we're really fair to Lillard to try to rank him with veterans.

As for players who could excel in a similar role, there are several that come to mind, but instead of naming them and starting a tangent besides the original point, I just want to make it clear that the point was that he's given an enormous amount of offensive responsibility. While that can be a burden, he's also lucky to have an entire team's offense running through him. On other, more established and balanced teams, there are always certain players that, if given a similar opportunity, could have nightly 20+ pt performances as well. That's always been the case in the NBA. Just look at people's perceptions of James Harden and how they've changed, for example.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Irving was basically a freshman in college last season. Dame played 4 years of college.

Big deal. I could argue that Irving got more big-time experience against real competition in his one year playing at Duke than Damian got in 4 years playing at Weber St. In fact, that was one of the arguments against Lillard this summer.

Maybe Irving's ceiling is way higher than Lillard's. If it is, it's not because he's younger, it's because he's better.

 

[Rhal]

Of course he's good. I'm just not sure if you could include him in that top tier of point guards yet.

It's unfair to try to rank a rookie amongst established veterans though. I think a better question is:

Damian Lillard or '11-12 Kyrie Irving?



If being a rookie who has only played 9 games can be an excuse for his turnover, then I don't think we're really fair to Lillard to try to rank him with veterans.

As for players who could excel in a similar role, there are several that come to mind, but instead of naming them and starting a tangent besides the original point, I just want to make it clear that the point was that he's given an enormous amount of offensive responsibility. While that can be a burden, he's also lucky to have an entire team's offense running through him. On other, more established and balanced teams, there are always certain players that, if given a similar opportunity, could have nightly 20+ pt performances as well.

High turnover rates come with being a starting rookie point gaurd. They almost always drop significantly in year two or three.

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[HailBlazers]

Clutch as fuck too. Looked like BRoy out there disseccting the D.

WORRD

 

[OSUblazers]

Big deal. I could argue that Irving got more big-time experience against real competition in his one year playing at Duke than Damian got in 4 years playing at Weber St. In fact, that was one of the arguments against Lillard this summer.

Maybe Irving's ceiling is way higher than Lillard's. If it is, it's not because he's younger, it's because he's better.

Irving played like 11 games
And typically the first 11 games in college are against trash teams
So a 19 year old jumping into the nba vs a 23 year old

 

[Natebishop3]

Irving is younger so that's not a great question to put out there.

It amazes me how some of you seem to forget that Lillard has only played in NINE GAMES, like this is as good as he's going to get? You do realize that at one time it was common place for rookies to have played three or four years in college? Those guys still improved, why can't Lillard? He has gone from playing in the Big Sky to playing in the NBA. Can you imagine, for a minute, the disparity in talent between those two organizations? In college he was going against guys that were barely a cut above high school, now he's being guarded by All-Stars, yet he's still averaging almost 20 ppg after nine games.

Also, if you want to compare Irving and Lillard:

Irving's rookie numbers - 18.5 ppg, 5.4 apg, 3.7 rpg, and 46.9% FG/ 39.9% three point

Lillard's rookie numbers - 19.3 ppg, 6.4 apg, 3.3 rpg, and 43.9% FG/39.7% three point

I suspect Lillard's shooting percentages will go up as he grows more comfortable. I also think his assist numbers will go up, as he has Aldridge and Batum to pass to. I don't think Irving is clearly better than Lillard. His only advantage is that he has played in the league for a full year.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Irving played like 11 games
And typically the first 11 games in college are against trash teams
So a 19 year old jumping into the nba vs a 23 year old

Big. Fucking. Deal.

 

[NOVoodoo]

High turnover rates come with being a starting rookie point gaurd. They almost always drop significantly in year two or three.

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I know, and for a rookie, he's actually been a pretty efficient ball handler, but if we're going to talk about where he ranks now, I don't think you can have that rookie asterisk next to his name.

 

[OSUblazers]

It amazes me how some of you seem to forget that Lillard has only played in NINE GAMES, like this is as good as he's going to get? You do realize that at one time it was common place for rookies to have played three or four years in college? Those guys still improved, why can't Lillard? He has gone from playing in the Big Sky to playing in the NBA. Can you imagine, for a minute, the disparity in talent between those two organizations? In college he was going against guys that were barely a cut above high school, now he's being guarded by All-Stars, yet he's still averaging almost 20 ppg after nine games.

Also, if you want to compare Irving and Lillard:

Irving's rookie numbers - 18.5 ppg, 5.4 apg, 3.7 rpg, and 46.9% FG/ 39.9% three point

Lillard's rookie numbers - 19.3 ppg, 6.4 apg, 3.3 rpg, and 43.9% FG/39.7% three point

I suspect Lillard's shooting percentages will go up as he grows more comfortable. I also think his assist numbers will go up, as he has Aldridge and Batum to pass to. I don't think Irving is clearly better than Lillard. His only advantage is that he has played in the league for a full year.

Who would you rather have?
LMA, batum, and Wes or Tristan Thompson, anderson varejao, and Alonzo gee