Which ex-Blazer would you be happy to get back?

[mook]

If we got Miller, he'd play the same role as Mo Williams (but probably do a much better job). Come in off the bench and spell Matthews, and let Lillard shift to SG. In a Nate McMillan offense it wouldn't work because it required the ball-dominant star to dribble a lot. In our offense, though, nobody has the ball for more than a few seconds (unless it's in the post or on a drive). We'd be giving up some perimeter shooting in favor of a guard who can post up a little and also deliver an insane number of lobs to Aldridge/Batum/Wes/Lillard/Lopez.

I absolutely love Andre Miller's game, and I'd be thrilled to somehow swap him straight across for Mo.

After Dec 15, we actually could do that trade according to Trade Machine. We'd have to throw in some contracts (Barton? Earl Watson?) Might make sense if Denver doesn't want to pay the $5m for Andre's second year (they only run him 19mpg), because we have cheap 1-year deals we could give up.

With as many shooters and lob targets as we have on this team, it's just about a perfect scenario for Andre Miller to come in and succeed. He's not really the mentoring type, but Lillard is such a student of the game that I could see him learning a lot from Dre just being around him. So much of what Dre does (score inside, play physical, throw lobs, set up teammates) are Lillards' weaker points. Mo Williams isn't much of a mentor, other than an example of how Damian Lillard can be a worse version of Damian Lillard.

I know that Mo only came here because he liked Olshey, so I suppose it's not likely Olshey throws him under the bus on that team, especially with our team clicking so well. But it's interesting to think about.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Just having watched both of them play, they are very different players...the #s might jive up but how they got them not so much

 

[BBert]

a healthy brandon roy

Does not compute. Why don't we wish for a magical unicorn while we're at it. And sneakers made of flubber.

 

[mook]

Just to add to my earlier post, Lillard, Mo and CJ are all cut from the same cloth. When CJ comes back, he's going to be another guy who is duplicative of Damian (but in a less impressive way, much like Mo).

Andre Miller would sure be nice as a change-of-pace type of PG who makes defenses completely re-think how they defend us when he comes in.

 

[Natebishop3]

Also I dispute the assertion that lillard had better rookie or thus far soph #s

What's to dispute?

Roy's rookie line - 16.8 ppg, 4.0 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 45.6% FG
Lillard's rookie line - 19.0 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 rebounds, 43% FG

They're actually having nearly identical sophomore seasons, but Lillard is struggling from the field and I think that will improve:

Roy's 2nd year - 19.1 ppg, 5.8 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 45% FG
Lillard's 2nd year - 19.9 ppg, 5.8 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 39.6% FG

But Lillard does have a higher win-share, a better offensive rating, a better defensive rating, better TS%, and a much better 3P% but that's to be expected. I think once Lillard's shooting levels off, he'll pull away from Roy in terms of a second season.

 

[magnifier661]

Honestly the Sabas from his rookie season would of been great

 

[Natebishop3]

Honestly the Sabas from his rookie season would of been great

The Sabas from the 80's would be better.

 

[magnifier661]

The Sabas from the 80's would be better.

I would have loved him, but I thought we were limited to actual games played as a blazer. I went back as far as I could

 

[Natebishop3]

I would have loved him, but I thought we were limited to actual games played as a blazer. I went back as far as I could

I think we're actually limited to active players.

 

[magnifier661]

I think we're actually limited to active players.

Son of a bitch!

 

[Hobbesarable]

Does not compute. Why don't we wish for a magical unicorn while we're at it. And sneakers made of flubber.

Or wish for the next Teen Wolf!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

What's to dispute?

Roy's rookie line - 16.8 ppg, 4.0 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 45.6% FG
Lillard's rookie line - 19.0 ppg, 6.5 assists, 3.1 rebounds, 43% FG

They're actually having nearly identical sophomore seasons, but Lillard is struggling from the field and I think that will improve:

Roy's 2nd year - 19.1 ppg, 5.8 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 45% FG
Lillard's 2nd year - 19.9 ppg, 5.8 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 39.6% FG

But Lillard does have a higher win-share, a better offensive rating, a better defensive rating, better TS%, and a much better 3P% but that's to be expected. I think once Lillard's shooting levels off, he'll pull away from Roy in terms of a second season.

PER normalizes for pace (remember mcmuffin?) and Roy wins handily thus far

 

[Natebishop3]

PER normalizes for pace (remember mcmuffin?) and Roy wins handily thus far

So you can only point to PER?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

So you can only point to PER?

I can only point to this
:http://www.basketball-reference.com...sum=1&p1=roybr01&y1=2008&p2=lillada01&y2=2014

If you'd like to continue I'm not sure what to say, Roy had a better ortg,drtg,per, lower USG, better WS/48, less TOs, and got to the line more

 

[BlazerWookee]

Joel Przybilla, Andre Miller, Patty Mills, Pendy, Marty, Jarrett, and Dante.

 

[Natebishop3]

I can only point to this
:http://www.basketball-reference.com...sum=1&p1=roybr01&y1=2008&p2=lillada01&y2=2014

If you'd like to continue I'm not sure what to say, Roy had a better ortg,drtg,per, lower USG, better WS/48, less TOs, and got to the line more

Okay, so Dame has a better ortg, drtg, TS%, lower USG, and WSPER48 as a sophomore....

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Those are primarily teammate dependant stats, if that's what you want to base your argument on...

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know why you think it's so clear cut.

You point to advanced stats as an advantage to Roy despite getting blown out of the water in terms of per game stats during their rookie years, but when Dame is beating Roy in those same advanced stats during their sophomore seasons, it means nothing?

 

[Natebishop3]

Those are primarily teammate dependant stats, if that's what you want to base your argument on...

Then why did you bring them up when comparing their rookie seasons?

 

[Draco]

Roy's second year was much more impressive than Damians. Roy was playing like one of the best couple of guards in the league and carrying the team every night. Roy was unstoppable driving to the rim, and if the defense doubled he'd find the open man. Damian is a much better shooter but if he is playing a good defender he can’t make them pay for defending him one on one.

 

[Natebishop3]

Roy's second year was much more impressive than Damians. Roy was playing like one of the best couple of guards in the league and carrying the team every night. Roy was unstoppable driving to the rim, and if the defense doubled he'd find the open man. Damian is a much better shooter but if he is playing a good defender he can’t make them pay for defending him one on one.

That's not true. We saw it many times last year that defenders couldn't take him one on one. He's struggling right now, but he'll get it back. I'm not trying to take anything away from Roy, he was an amazing talent when he was healthy, but Dame has the potential to be just as good, and he has all the same markings that Roy did. Their numbers have been eerily similar, and Damian outplayed Roy in many ways during his rookie season.

 

[mook]

Comparing Roys full second season to Lillard's so far, it's pretty surprising to me to see them come up as basically a draw statistically, whether you want to talk regular or advanced stats.

I suppose you could point to Roy's team only went 41-41, whereas this current team may win 55 games. But that '07 team was much less talented. Their third best player was probably Steve Blake. Trout was the only other guy besides LMA and Roy who got real minutes to put up even a 15 PER. Portland is winning more now because of overall talent.

At this point I think it's pretty fair to describe Lillard as a Roy-level talent.

Interestingly, Roy had a poorer November that year, peaked in December statistically, and fell off a little after that. Just eyeballing it, it looks like Lillard had a much better November this year than Roy did that year. So Lillard has a head start on having a better sophomore year than Roy did.

 

[Natebishop3]

Comparing Roys full second season to Lillard's so far, it's pretty surprising to me to see them come up as basically a draw statistically, whether you want to talk regular or advanced stats.

I suppose you could point to Roy's team only went 41-41, whereas this current team may win 55 games. But that '07 team was much less talented. Their third best player was probably Steve Blake. Trout was the only other guy besides LMA and Roy who got real minutes to put up even a 15 PER. Portland is winning more now because of overall talent.

At this point I think it's pretty fair to describe Lillard as a Roy-level talent.

Interestingly, Roy had a poorer November that year, peaked in December statistically, and fell off a little after that. Just eyeballing it, it looks like Lillard had a much better November this year than Roy did that year. So Lillard has a head start on having a better sophomore year than Roy did.

Dame's problem right now is his shooting. Once that comes up a bit, he'll pull away from Roy in terms of advanced stats.

 

[mook]

Funny--I think of both of these guys as seasoned NBA veterans by the time they were in their second years. The guys are only 23.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

That wasn't ther rookie seasons, it was their career through their 2nd years.

You stated tht Lillard had a better rookie and this far soph season, the burden is yours

 

[3RA1N1AC]

And you brought up ortg, drtg, and WS first, and then used them again as the meat of your argument...they were merely a garnish for mine

 

[jlprk]

Because of McMillan's weak 4th quarters, we wouldn't have won any games without Roy. The current team is not nearly as dependent upon Lillard.

Roy is called a guard, but played almost half his minutes at SF due to his great size.

 

[Natebishop3]

That wasn't ther rookie seasons, it was their career through their 2nd years.

You stated tht Lillard had a better rookie and this far soph season, the burden is yours

He averaged significantly more points and assists, not to mention the numerous accomplishments he had on top of his overall stats. Do I need to go back and look up all those different milestones that he hit?

Sorry, but he definitely outplayed Roy as a rookie. This season it's much closer, but I think Dame has the slight edge.

 

[Natebishop3]

And you brought up ortg, drtg, and WS first, and then used them again as the meat of your argument...they were merely a garnish for mine

Wrong. The meat of your argument, as it were, is that Roy is better because of his advanced stats. How can it be a garnish when Dame is currently outplaying him in terms of advanced stats?