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[3RA1N1AC]

Wrong. The meat of your argument, as it were, is that Roy is better because of his advanced stats. How can it be a garnish when Dame is currently outplaying him in terms of advanced stats?

I wonder how PER is calculated, must be just random numbers

 

[3RA1N1AC]

He averaged significantly more points and assists, not to mention the numerous accomplishments he had on top of his overall stats. Do I need to go back and look up all those different milestones that he hit?

Sorry, but he definitely outplayed Roy as a rookie. This season it's much closer, but I think Dame has the slight edge.

Before we go any further, you understand what pace is right?

 

[Natebishop3]

Before we go any further, you understand what pace is right?

Okay, and?

Only one of three players to in the history of the league to score 1500 points and hand out 500 assists in their rookie season.

Only the fourth unanimous ROY in the history of the league, and that was against much stiffer competition than Roy faced (Bargnani lol)

There was a whole list of accomplishments like this, to go with the significantly more points and assists per game.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Okay, and?

Only one of three players to in the history of the league to score 1500 points and hand out 500 assists in their rookie season.

Only the fourth unanimous ROY in the history of the league, and that was against much stiffer competition than Roy faced (Bargnani lol)

There was a whole list of accomplishments like this, to go with the significantly more points and assists per game.

This means nothing whatsoever to the argument. Swirsky is not a fault of roys.

PER is a good way to compare players whos teams play at different paces, this is well known. Tell me why roys is better than lillards.

 

[Natebishop3]

This means nothing whatsoever to the argument. Swirsky is not a fault of roys.

PER is a good way to compare players whos teams play at different paces, this is well known. Tell me why roys is better than lillards.

How does it mean nothing? He did something that only two other players in the HISTORY OF THE NBA have accomplished. And that wasn't the only one. I'm trying to find a list of all the things he accomplished last season, but it's more difficult than I anticipated.

You say PER matters, and that Roy had better advanced stats during his rookie season, so that discounts the 2.2 PPG more and 2.5 assists per game that Dame had, but when I pointed out that Dame is beating Roy in many of those same advanced stats during his sophomore season, you said they're just a garnish?

The only reason why I brought up the advanced stats in the first place was because the two are having almost identical numbers, so I used the advanced stats as a tie breaker of sorts, but Dame's numbers were so much more impressive in his rookie campaign. You bring up pace, but Dame still beats him in PER 36.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

You bring up pace, but Dame still beats him in PER 36.

Ok, so you dont understand pace, that's all you had to say

Please, explain to me why your analysis doesn't jive with PER, I'm all ears. Maybe you have discovered some stat wormhole. Doubt it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Ok, so you dont understand pace, that's all you had to say

Please, explain to me why your analysis doesn't jive with PER, I'm all ears. Maybe you have discovered some stat wormhole. Doubt it.

Okay, so you realize that you sound like the guys who said Anthony Davis should have won the ROY? Throw everything else out the window, right? Stats, accomplishments, all of that..... PER is all that matters, right? I guess Davis should have won the ROY.

 

[jlprk]

Here are somewhat useless rookie year pace-adjusted stats.

Lillard
http://bkref.com/tiny/0c6K6
Roy
http://bkref.com/tiny/GG23N

 

[Natebishop3]

I would also like to point out that part of the reason why the Blazers played at such a slow pace was BECAUSE of Roy. He personally played at a slower pace. It was discussed multiple times when he played here.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

You are really bad at this

During their rookie years Roy had a better Ts%, ft rate, rb%, less TOs, more steals, shot better from 2p AND 3pt, and just for you, a better drtg, ortg, WS/48, AND.....a better PER.

Your statement that Lillard had a better rookie season based on ppg and chuck swirsky falls flat. Sorry.

 

[Natebishop3]

You are really bad at this

During their rookie years Roy had a better Ts%, ft rate, rb%, less TOs, more steals, shot better from 2p AND 3pt, and just for you, a better drtg, ortg, WS/48, AND.....a better PER.

Your statement that Lillard had a better rookie season based on ppg and chuck swirsky falls flat. Sorry.

Why are you incapable of making it personal?

ONE OF THREE PLAYERS TO SCORE 1500 AND HAND OUT 500 ASSISTS IN THEIR ROOKIE SEASON.

Allen Iverson.
Oscar Robertson
Damian fucking Lillard

Suck. On. That.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I would also like to point out that part of the reason why the Blazers played at such a slow pace was BECAUSE of Roy. He personally played at a slower pace. It was discussed multiple times when he played here.

Slow isn't bad though...just different. You get that right?

 

[Natebishop3]

Slow isn't bad though...just different. You get that right?

Did you see Jlprk's stats?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Why are you incapable of making it personal?

ONE OF THREE PLAYERS TO SCORE 1500 AND HAND OUT 500 ASSISTS IN THEIR ROOKIE SEASON.

Allen Iverson.
Oscar Robertson
Damian fucking Lillard

Suck. On. That.

Never said Lillard wasn't good, but arbitrary milestones are just that

 

[Natebishop3]

Never said Lillard wasn't good, but arbitrary milestones are just that

They're only arbitrary if they don't support your point, no?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Personally, I'm pretty stoked that this "is Damian better than All-Star Roy" discussion is even happening, in the midst of some of the worst shooting in Damian's life.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

You are really bad at this

During their rookie years Roy had a better Ts%, ft rate, rb%, less TOs, more steals, shot better from 2p AND 3pt, and just for you, a better drtg, ortg, WS/48, AND.....a better PER.

Your statement that Lillard had a better rookie season based on ppg and chuck swirsky falls flat. Sorry.

Any statistical rebuttal? Going to enlighten me about why your theories don't jive with PER? SWIRSKY??

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Personally, I'm pretty stoked that this "is Damian better than All-Star Roy" discussion is even happening, in the midst of some of the worst shooting in Damian's life.

Indeed, and its close. Real close

 

[Natebishop3]

Any statistical rebuttal? Going to enlighten me about why your theories don't jive with PER? SWIRSKY??

My point, which I already made was that Damian is beating Roy in many of those same advanced stats THIS season. So where do you put more credibility? Lillard smoked him in terms of per game averages during his first year, and he's beating him in advanced stats THIS season. So you can't have it both ways. Either Damian was a vastly better rookie and roughly the same as a sophomore, OR he was not a better rookie, but he's a better sophomore than Roy.

And you keep bringing up Swirsky, but ignoring the other factoid. Also, keep in mind that Dame swept the Rookie of the Month honors, which Roy did not do. Can't blame that one on Swirsky.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I accept your analysis and I will immediately concede that Roy was only better in one of the seasons, thereby winning the argument and proving you wrong. Good talk

 

[Natebishop3]

I accept your analysis and I will immediately concede that Roy was only better in one of the seasons, thereby winning the argument and proving you wrong. Good talk

Haha... whatever man.

Go Niners.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Go Niners.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Coach sheed for a timely tech off the bench.

Sabonis for big man coach?

 

[Hobbesarable]

How could you guys forget all these active Blazer vets not mentioned yet?

Camby, Elliot Williams, Juwan Howard, Telfair, Diogu, Tolliver, Thabeet, James Jones, Jared Jeffries, Chris Johnson, Sasha Pavlovic, Ronnie Price, Shavlik Randolph, Przybilla, Nolan Smith, Earl Barron, Stephen Graham

http://bkref.com/tiny/LjAAS

I would go with Przybilla as a big man coach. Show our boys how to set some nasty picks!

 

[Blazer4ever]

Rasheed's T's were never 'timely'...
Dante is one player I really like. A great defender, hustle player and that mid-range shot (the only shot he ever took) was Money!