Which Of These Likely-To-Be-Fired Mikes Is The Better Coach?

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Mike Brown or Mike Woodson?

Just curious as to the responses.
 
Why is Mike Brown likely to be fired? Because he hasn't swept the 2008 NBA Champs?
 
KingSpeed said:
Why is Mike Brown likely to be fired? Because he hasn't swept the 2008 NBA Champs?
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IMO, he'll be fired if the Cavs fail to make the Finals. Even if they happen to beat the Celts, I'm fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic.
 
ABM said:
IMO, he'll be fired if the Cavs fail to make the Finals. Even if they happen to beat the Celts, I'm fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic.
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No way. The Cavs will win the title this year. GuaranSheed.
 
ABM said:
IMO, he'll be fired if the Cavs fail to make the Finals. Even if they happen to beat the Celts, I'm fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic.
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What makes you fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic? The fact that they're blowing out inferior teams like the Bobcats and Hawks?? Need I remind you that the Magic needed all 7 games to beat a Boston team without Kevin Garnett last season?

This year's Cavs are wayyy better than last year's Cavs with a legit second option in Antawn Jamison and they're so much bigger with Shaq and the emergence of J.J Hickson. That's 4 bigs to put on Dwight Howard when you include Z and Varejao.
 
Ridiculous to think Mike Brown is in danger of losing his job. I don't know why he gets that from so many people outside of Cleveland who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. He has been awesome the last few years.

ABM said:
I'm fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic.
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You're out of your mind.
 
I will say this: Woodson has had the crappier hand to play. He doesn't have Lebron, and he does work for people who are in court sueing each other.
 
KingSpeed said:
What makes you fairly certain they'll lose to the Magic?....they're so much bigger with Shaq and the emergence of J.J Hickson. That's 4 bigs to put on Dwight Howard when you include Z and Varejao.
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Do you believe the Suns have a legitimate chance of beating the Lakers? If so, then in the same way, the Magic have a clear shot of beating the Cavs. That is, bot of those teams have an active, scoring big man complimented by an array of excellent outside shooters. That appears to be working in the playoffs this season.
 
ABM said:
Do you believe the Suns have a legitimate chance of beating the Lakers? If so, then in the same way, the Magic have a clear shot of beating the Cavs. That is, bot of those teams have an active, scoring big man complimented by an array of excellent outside shooters. That appears to be working in the playoffs this season.
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Umm there's a difference between "the Magic have a clear shot" and "I'm fairly certain" the Magic will beat the Cavs. If the Magic and Cavs play each other in the ECF, they both have a clear shot of winning, no doubt. But you said you were fairly certain the Cavs would lose. That's the part I didn't understand.
 
KingSpeed said:
Umm there's a difference between "the Magic have a clear shot" and "I'm fairly certain" the Magic will beat the Cavs. If the Magic and Cavs play each other in the ECF, they both have a clear shot of winning, no doubt. But you said you were fairly certain the Cavs would lose. That's the part I didn't understand.
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The Cavs have been somewhat taken out of their game by the Celtics. That's been a real eye-opener to me. As an example, I was very, very surprised to read that James might attempt guarding Rondo. Now, I don't see that as a Grant Hill guarding Dre' type of move. I see it more as desperation, as it were. Can't quite place my finger on it, but I'm seeing a bit of fear in their collective eyes.

Meanwhile, the Magic are absolutely tearing through the playoffs. Heck, if they win tonight (they're currently up by 15 in the 3rd), they'll have swept both playoff opponents. Playoffs are playoffs regardless of who you might think are weak opponents.

I'm of the belief that the Cavs have to make the Finals (heck, WIN it) for Brown's job to be safe. That's just me, though.
 
ABM said:
The Cavs have been somewhat taken out of their game by the Celtics. That's been a real eye-opener to me. As an example, I was very, very surprised to read that James might attempt guarding Rondo. Now, I don't see that as a Grant Hill guarding Dre' type of move. I see it more as desperation, as it were. Can't quite place my finger on it, but I'm seeing a bit of fear in their collective eyes.

Meanwhile, the Magic are absolutely tearing through the playoffs. Heck, if they win tonight (they're currently up by 15 in the 3rd), they'll have swept both playoff opponents. Playoffs are playoffs regardless of who you might think are weak opponents.

I'm of the belief that the Cavs have to make the Finals (heck, WIN it) for Brown's job to be safe. That's just me, though.
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The Cavs have been taken out of THEIR game. In Game 2, the Cavs beat the Celtics by more points in a playoff game in Boston THAN ANY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE. Now THAT is taking a team out of their game.The Cavs are fine. It's a tied series because both teams are good but to give the edge to the Celtics is to completely ignore the two wins the Cavs have in the series.

As for the Magic, yes, it does matter which team you are playing. The Cavs swept their first two rounds last season cuz they played crappy teams. The Nets won 10 straight playoff games in 2003 but lost in the NBA Finals.
 
KingSpeed said:
The Cavs have been taken out of THEIR game. In Game 2, the Cavs beat the Celtics by more points in a playoff game in Boston THAN ANY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE. Now THAT is taking a team out of their game.The Cavs are fine. It's a tied series because both teams are good but to give the edge to the Celtics is to completely ignore the two wins the Cavs have in the series.

As for the Magic, yes, it does matter which team you are playing. The Cavs swept their first two rounds last season cuz they played crappy teams. The Nets won 10 straight playoff games in 2003 but lost in the NBA Finals.
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I'll have to get back to you.
 
Take a shot at the poor Nets why don't you? You try to beat a Tim Duncan in his prime.
 
ace said:
Take a shot at the poor Nets why don't you? You try to beat a Tim Duncan in his prime.
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It was not a shot at the Nets. My point was that success in one or even two series doesn't carry over to success in the next series. The Spurs were better. The fact that the Nets swept the Celtics and Pistons didn't suddenly make them better than the Spurs. Same thing with the Cavs and Magic this year. Just because the Magic sweep the Bobcats and Hawks, it doesn't make them better than the Cavs.
 
by the way... why is Z playing? I thought he was re-signed after the deadline for playoff roster acquisitions.
 
If I remember correctly a lot of analysts were predicting the Pistons to beat the Nets that year. We swept them. The finals were boring as hell anyway.

Orlando had the harder matchup in the first round and played a better Hawks team with Crawford but JJ hasn't shown up the whole series. If Johnson showed up the series probably would have lasted at least another game or two. I think the Magic will beat whoever they face in the conference finals if Howard doesn't get in foul trouble every game like he did in the first round. With the refs getting down on both knees for Shaq and Lebron it's likely to happen.
 
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Mike Browns biggest strength is that he knows where his bread is buttered. He does whatever it takes to keep Lebron happy and take the fall anytime he isn't great. Not a bad move at all...
 
This must be a trick question? The answer is "neither" right?
 
Tince said:
Mike Browns biggest strength is that he knows where his bread is buttered. He does whatever it takes to keep Lebron happy and take the fall anytime he isn't great. Not a bad move at all...
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Totally agree with this. When the going gets tough, it doesnt seem he makes tactical changes or countermoves and impose his will on the game flow, rather he just asks Lebron to bail the team out. He seems expendable. However, Barkley noted the Hawks have gone as far as that team's core can take them. If management really believes that, then Woodson might be safe. If not--which I think more likely-- I think he's probably the scapegoat to their disppointing finish. So, probably Woodson.
 
Drttimmy said:
Totally agree with this. When the going gets tough, it doesnt seem he makes tactical changes or countermoves and impose his will on the game flow, rather he just asks Lebron to bail the team out. He seems expendable. However, Barkley noted the Hawks have gone as far as that team's core can take them. If management really believes that, then Woodson might be safe. If not--which I think more likely-- I think he's probably the scapegoat to their disppointing finish. So, probably Woodson.
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You bring up a great point. Barkley might be right that Hawks are only a 1st/2nd round team the way they are currently constructed. Having said that, no GM is going to sit around and watch his teams flatten out and not move the coach. If the GM doesn't fire the coach and the team doesn't continue to grow, it's going to be his ass on the line. Firing Woodson and hiring a new coach would give the GM a couple more years of life.
 
The Cavs swept the Hawks last year too...

Let's sit back one more round. I don't see a clear cut favorite yet in the East.
 
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ABM said:
Meanwhile, the Magic are absolutely tearing through the playoffs. Heck, if they win tonight (they're currently up by 15 in the 3rd), they'll have swept both playoff opponents. Playoffs are playoffs regardless of who you might think are weak opponents.
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who won the cavs/magic series last year? the team that started the playoffs 8-0 or the team that was behind 2-1 and 3-2 in their first two series?
 
I think the magic will win a cavs/magic finals simply because while the cavs are bigger I think the magic are a deeper team and Nelson has been on fire recently. At the moment we don't even know if the cavs will reach the finals. Lebron arm is still injured which is effecting his game. If it was a healthy lebron then i'd pick the cavs to reach the finals.
 
They both should get fired, Woodsen because his team has turned a deaf ear...it happens to good coaches too
Brown should get fired because I think he is an inferior coach in a good position

...and I dont know if Ive said it here, but far before the playoffs started I said ORL was gonna represent the east
 
Rhal said:
I think the magic will win a cavs/magic finals simply because while the cavs are bigger I think the magic are a deeper team and Nelson has been on fire recently. At the moment we don't even know if the cavs will reach the finals. Lebron arm is still injured which is effecting his game. If it was a healthy lebron then i'd pick the cavs to reach the finals.
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What makes Bron dangerous is still available to him. He's shown he can use long range jumpers even in his condition, and he has something like 29+ PER against Boston. He plays better at home and he shoots from distance at a superior rate there. They won in Orlando this year as well. Overall I can understand why the Magic are a hot pick, but it'll be a closely contested series either way.
 
Classic. A thread about the firing of two coaches that have similar coaching styles to our own AssClown, made by someone who supports Nate.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Classic. A thread about the firing of two coaches that have similar coaching styles to our own AssClown, made by someone who supports Nate.
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The Ironing is thick around here sometimes

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Ok here is the way I see it:

Cavaliers:

1. They added Jamison. But for all the hubub about adding Jamison, I don't think he is fitting in as fast as they wanted. He has more or less been turned into a 3 point shooter in the system, where he had a much more rounded game before. They haven't figured out how to utilize his post and faceup skills in the offense.

2. They added Shaq. The problem is, Shaq doesn't scare anybody anymore. He was added for one series, and one series only, Orlando, and I am not sure he will help them out.

3. The midget guard tandem problem. Last year Orlando won by exposing the Cavs guards. Mo an West are too small to keep up with larger perimeter players. That hasn't changed this year. Turkoglu is gone, but Carter is there, and Carter is probably even better at posting up small guards than Hedo was. He probably isn't as good as passer though.

4. Coaching. Brown is out coached all the time. He just has a great player to make up for it.

Atlanta:

1. Team relies heavily on Johnson and Smith. The problem being for as stable as Johnson is, Smith isn't. He loses Mental focus easily, and coasts through parts of games.

2. No legit center. They are running Horford there, and he his doing a hell of a job. But they would be much better with a legit center and moving Horford to PF.

3. I believe Atlanta didn't win any regular season games against Orlando. Why did that expectation change in the playoffs?

Considering I think Joe Johnson is going to leave Atlanta, I think the Hawks are going to find out a lot about his coaching ability, real soon.

So that being said, I think I give the edge to Woodson with Brown being fired. Woodson wasn't supposed to achieve so much. Brown was.
 
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