Which two Blazers are other Gm's after?

[UKRAINEFAN]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/02/trail_blazers_insider_kevin_pr.html

KP says that other GM's are interested in two players, both of them on their rookie contracts and he also seems to say that these two (in his mind) are approaching the untouchable status.

Well, one for sure is Batum and I guess the other has to be Bayless or Rudy; I'm a little surprised that around the league there is a clear consensus that one is a lot better than the other. Also to me, neither is approaching the untouchable status, I would include either in a trade for David Lee or Andres Biedrins, just to name two who could help the Blazers longterm.

 

[Mediocre Man]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/02/trail_blazers_insider_kevin_pr.html

KP says that other GM's are interested in two players, both of them on their rookie contracts and he also seems to say that these two (in his mind) are approaching the untouchable status.

Well, one for sure is Batum and I guess the other has to be Bayless or Rudy; I'm a little surprised that around the league there is a clear consensus that one is a lot better than the other. Also to me, neither is approaching the untouchable status, I would include either in a trade for David Lee or Andres Biedrins, just to name two who could help the Blazers longterm.

I would bet Bayless.

 

[Nikolokolus]

My guess would be Bayless and Batum or maybe Rudy and Batum ... but one of them is definitely Batum.

 

[mook]

I would bet Bayless.

Yep.

If JB can pull off some more 30 point games, refs are going to start giving him the benefit of the doubt on whistles. At that point he'll be a poor man's Dwyane Wade, charging into the middle and drawing fouls at a ridiculous rate.

I think Rudy has lost a lot of his luster since Roy went down. He's good, and he'll only get better, but his defense, frailty and mediocre handle have been exposed.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

It's hard to say. I know the only rumor that actually mentioned names was the Rudy and Batum for Haywood. Also, I would think New York and Toronto might value Rudy higher because of their playing styles and maybe their cosmopolitan fan bases.

 

[LittleAlex]

It's Rudy and Batum. Bayless has been way too inconsistent this year for him to be a real target for any teams.

 

[B-Roy]

And how consistent has Rudy been?

 

[MIXUM]

can we please trade rudy????? pLEASE????

we are up 24. Rudy comes in. we are up 7.

please before its too late. they guy is AWFUL

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Batum and either Rudy or Bayless.

 

[BBert]

It's not Rudy. KP loves Bayless. Everyone loves Batum. Batum is untouchable in my book. Bayless is not near untouchable to me but I don't see another rookie scale player on the team it could be other than Batum and BRexxx.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

It's gotta be Batum and Bayless.

 

[SpanishFly]

And how consistent has Rudy been?

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[Harry's Raincoat]

It's Batum and Bayless. But I'm surprised Rudy isn't in the mix.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

It's Rudy and Batum. Bayless has been way too inconsistent this year for him to be a real target for any teams.

Right. Other GMs have seen Rudy against the "redeem team".

Bayless is just another gunning tweener. They're a dime a dozen. Have you heard any rumor ever of a team asking for Bayless? Exactly. Whereas we've heard just recently of Washington, at least, trying hard to get Fernandez.

However, neither of them are doing anything to pump up their trade value at the moment, that's for sure.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Batum and either Rudy or Bayless.

Way to take sides...

This should be a poll... and now it is!

 

[illmatic99]

Batum and Rudy. I don't think Bayless entices other teams as much as those other. Tweeners who can score are not that hard to find, but a marketable player like Rudy and an intelligent and athletically gifted player like Nic are not so easily attainable.

Rudy will bounce back; he's just temporarily lost his swag right now. If his game from the ACB or even last year as a Blazer are any indication, he'll beast it up once he gets healthy.

 

[BBert]

Right. Other GMs have seen Rudy against the "redeem team".

Bayless is just another gunning tweener. They're a dime a dozen. Have you heard any rumor ever of a team asking for Bayless? Exactly. Whereas we've heard just recently of Washington, at least, trying hard to get Fernandez.

However, neither of them are doing anything to pump up their trade value at the moment, that's for sure.

It appears I may have answered the wrong question. I think other GMs are after Batum, Rudy and Bayless, in that order. I think KP values Batum, Bayless and Rudy, in that order. Bayless still has to prove he's more than an inconsistent tweener who gets blocked a lot. If Bayless improves again next year as much as he did this year, he will pass Rudy.

 

[Blaze01]

I thought it was pretty obvious that it was Batum & Rudy.....

Bayless is a distant 3rd.

 

[BGrantFan]

All three are productive, and all three have different strengths.

I'm postive that Batum is one of two, since he has length, can defend, and is young.

So, that means it is between Rudy and Bayless.

Rudy: 13.5 PER this year, minimal defense, and 24 years old.

Bayless: 15.2 PER this year, average defense, and 21 years old.

Tough call. I'd be more apt to let Rudy go in a trade, simply because it is easier to bring a tweener like Bayless off of the bench as opposed to a SG like Rudy. Plus, I don't see Rudy wanting to be Brandon Roy's back up for the next 8-10 years.

 

[OddEnormous]

Yep.

If JB can pull off some more 30 point games, refs are going to start giving him the benefit of the doubt on whistles. At that point he'll be a poor man's Dwyane Wade, charging into the middle and drawing fouls at a ridiculous rate.

Are you being sarcastic?

 

[hasoos]

It's Rudy and Batum. Bayless has been way too inconsistent this year for him to be a real target for any teams.

What like Rudy has been some sort of beacon of light of consistency?

 

[Ed O]

All three are productive, and all three have different strengths.

I'm postive that Batum is one of two, since he has length, can defend, and is young.

So, that means it is between Rudy and Bayless.

Rudy: 13.5 PER this year, minimal defense, and 24 years old.

Bayless: 15.2 PER this year, average defense, and 21 years old.

13.5 PER is not "productive". It's not Steve Blake/Channing Frye level, but it's not even average. For a guy who's hurt a lot and doesn't bring a lot (other than playing the passing lane, which is captured in PER with steals) on defense, Rudy is not very impressive right now.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

Rudy and Nic by a mile over the rest.

 

[LittleAlex]

What like Rudy has been some sort of beacon of light of consistency?

Over the course of the last two years he has been.

Over the same period of time Bayless hasn't managed to string together more a couple of good games in a row.

So yes, overall I would say that Rudy has been more consistent then Bayless.

 

[hasoos]

Over the course of the last two years he has been.

Over the same period of time Bayless hasn't managed to string together more a couple of good games in a row.

So yes, overall I would say that Rudy has been more consistent then Bayless.

Rudy hasn't strung together more than a few games in a row either. I completely disagree. The facts are, neither of them is playing up to snuff.

 

[mook]

13.5 PER is not "productive". It's not Steve Blake/Channing Frye level, but it's not even average. For a guy who's hurt a lot and doesn't bring a lot (other than playing the passing lane, which is captured in PER with steals) on defense, Rudy is not very impressive right now.

Ed O.

Definitely agree. Rudy was sold as a pretty finished player. He was a leader on the Spanish team, he's three years older than Bayless, and he's known for shooting and passing.

But now that I see what we got, I'm not sure he lives up to the sale. He's too fragile to continue on with the high wire dunks he was known for. And he hasn't shown any ability to add muscle to his frame to better withstand the NBA season. His defense is good if you need somebody to chase around Rip Hamilton, but otherwise he's at a major strength disadvantage against most 2's and 3's, and even a lot of 1's.

Bayless, in contrast, is younger, much more solidly built, and has shown a really nice knack for drawing fouls. He's a physical, aggressive defender, and with a few more years of experience he projects to be a pretty good one. And although he's not the shooter Rudy is, he was known as a pretty good one in college. It may just take a while for that to emerge.

And just imagine how good Bayless is going to be when he's an established player and refs start respecting his game. Right now there's probably one play a game where Bayless doesn't draw a foul but Roy would've, purely on reputation.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Rudy hasn't strung together more than a few games in a row either. I completely disagree. The facts are, neither of them is playing up to snuff.

That pretty much sums it up. I think eventually both players will be useful to somebody, but both have strengths and weaknesses that I don't think mesh particularly well with the rest of this roster right now and may not ever be mitigated enough to be good fits as role-players (and that's what they are ultimately going to be asked to be on this roster).

- Rudy: despite some nice court vision, his handles are pretty weak, his D is really tough to watch at times and he's as streaky as they come, and for whatever reason his confidence and verve are completely shot right now, which makes him even more of a liability.

- Bayless' court vision has never been great, and his tunnel vision has probably gotten worse in the last month after some promising signs earlier in the year, and while he has some nice physical tools (quickness and strength) his subpar length will probably always hinder him as a defensive stopper at the point.

To me both players should not be considered untouchable by any means, but I'd want something good back if one or both are being shipped out.

 

[MIXUM]

rudy = suns go on a 15-0 run till hes pulled. any questions?

trade him before hes worth a 2nd rounder

 

[Minstrel]

I would guess it's Batum and Bayless. Those are the two players who are both currently productive and young enough that they still have plenty of upside on the athletic growth curve. Fernandez is very close to his prime and currently not very productive. That's really not the type of player who draws lots of interest league-wide.

 

[RagingBull04]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/02/trail_blazers_insider_kevin_pr.html

KP says that other GM's are interested in two players, both of them on their rookie contracts and he also seems to say that these two (in his mind) are approaching the untouchable status.

Well, one for sure is Batum and I guess the other has to be Bayless or Rudy; I'm a little surprised that around the league there is a clear consensus that one is a lot better than the other. Also to me, neither is approaching the untouchable status, I would include either in a trade for David Lee or Andres Biedrins, just to name two who could help the Blazers longterm.

Rudy Fernandez and Nic Batum. The package that Washington wanted straight up for Haywood.