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[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Well I guess you're right that most of our opinions are based on speculation. But normally we are debating a certain player versus another, or a certain trade versus another. The variables are known. Here, you are basically arguing that "making a trade that I don't have any concrete details about would be way better than not trading." Being that there is an unknown variable in your argument, I think its a completely different (and flat out wrong) way of speculating.

I just see what the Lakers were able to do with their expiring last year (Kwame for Gasol), and this is a sweeter package and we weren't able to get anything done. Just frustrating in comparison.

 

[PapaG]

I just see what the Lakers were able to do with their expiring last year (Kwame for Gasol), and this is a sweeter package and we weren't able to get anything done. Just frustrating in comparison.

That trade was a joke and a gift. I am amazed every day that Chris Wallace still has a job.

 

[Minstrel]

I just see what the Lakers were able to do with their expiring last year (Kwame for Gasol), and this is a sweeter package and we weren't able to get anything done. Just frustrating in comparison.

What did Cleveland get for Wally Sczerbiak? His expiring contract was even bigger than RLEC.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

What did Cleveland get for Wally Sczerbiak? His expiring contract was even bigger than RLEC.

hometown boy x Cleavland's winning the east this year.

 

[TripTango]

I can expect at least a basic understanding of the facts, right?

Way to keep fighting the good fight, Papa!

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I just see what the Lakers were able to do with their expiring last year (Kwame for Gasol), and this is a sweeter package and we weren't able to get anything done. Just frustrating in comparison.

I think that deal is kinda hard to compare things too though, as its pretty rare that something that nice comes along. Cleveland was hoping to move Wally's expiring contract today and they didn't either.

But I hear ya. I wish someone would have taken one of our deals, or offered something worth our while. I am a little disappointed something awesome didn't fall into our lap. But I'm OK with it, because I trust KP.

No matter what, our team is doing great, and it's past my bedtime. Talk to you soon, ADP.

 

[Minstrel]

hometown boy x Cleavland's winning the east this year.

Yes, but they were supposedly trying to trade him for an upgrade. But didn't find any great deal.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yes, but they were supposedly trying to trade him for an upgrade. But didn't find any great deal.

Which raises an interesting question. Did KP and other GMs overvalue their expiring deals? Or did they know all the talk about the value of RLEC, etc was just bumpkis? Was KP knowingly yanking our collective chain all along?

 

[Minstrel]

Which raises an interesting question. Did KP and other GMs overvalue their expiring deals? Or did they know all the talk about the value of RLEC, etc was just bumpkis? Was KP knowingly yanking our collective chain all along?

Yeah, tough to know. I would guess that everyone assumed there would be a market for expiring contracts, but that market failed to emerge. Like, the Suns for example...they seemed, at first, to want to deal Stoudemire for significant cap relief...then they changed their mind. I think that probably happened a lot. Teams thinking of dumping good players for salary savings and then thinking better of it.

 

[barfo]

Yeah, tough to know. I would guess that everyone assumed there would be a market for expiring contracts, but that market failed to emerge. Like, the Suns for example...they seemed, at first, to want to deal Stoudemire for significant cap relief...then they changed their mind. I think that probably happened a lot. Teams thinking of dumping good players for salary savings and then thinking better of it.

I think it was in KPs interest to talk up RLEC as something special - he was, after all, trying to sell it.

It may be that all the owners thought about cutting costs, and then realized, hey, I'm rich! And this is my hobby! Costs be damned, I'm not giving up my best players.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

I think it was in KPs interest to talk up RLEC as something special - he was, after all, trying to sell it

Indeed, but lots of people were talking up RLEC...like columnists and "anonymous GMs."

 

[barfo]

Indeed, but lots of people were talking up RLEC...like columnists and "anonymous GMs."

Well, the columnists were selling something too - the story. "RLEC is worthless" is a boring story.

Who knows whether anonymous GMs even exist.

barfo

 

[Rozza5]

That trade was a joke and a gift. I am amazed every day that Chris Wallace still has a job.

Why? He was just doing what Jerry told him to do.

 

[MickZagger]

whining about people whining.

yay.

whining just to whine.

Yay.

 

[Denny Crane]

This thread was actually a great read.

It all comes back to me that if RLEC is so valuable to other teams, he must be just as valuable to the Blazers.

From what I've been reading all along, the Blazers talked with the Bulls about RLEC and Hinrich but it was Paxson who turned down the deal. The cap relief wasn't enough. KP may also have offered guys who Pax didn't value.

It happens from time to time that some great player is dealt in a fire sale situation (Gasol, KG), but not this year.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Wallace has played exactly 52 minutes of playoff basketball in his 7 year career and hasn't even reached the playoffs as a starter.

Awesome logic. You're saying we should just sign Bill Russell. He's got playoff experience.
BFD.

 

[PapaG]

Awesome logic. You're saying we should just sign Bill Russell. He's got playoff experience.
BFD.

You said Wallace would make the team a title contender next year. I wonder what logic you used to make that claim since nothing in Wallace's background says he knows what it takes to even make the playoffs, let alone win a title.

 

[maxiep]

You said Wallace would make the team a title contender next year. I wonder what logic you used to make that claim since nothing in Wallace's background says he knows what it takes to even make the playoffs, let alone win a title.

I think it has more to do with being on the bench behind a really good player on a really good team (Peja and Sac) and then being on an expansion team. Brandon Roy has never sniffed the playoffs; does he suck?

 

[PapaG]

I think it has more to do with being on the bench behind a really good player on a really good team (Peja and Sac) and then being on an expansion team. Brandon Roy has never sniffed the playoffs; does he suck?

Brandon Roy is a two-time All Star leading the 4th seed in the West. Gerald Wallace is a solid rotation player on a bad team. I didn't say Wallace "sucked", I wondered what in his past guarantees the Blazers are a title contender next season. Seems like it should be an easy question to answer if he is that important to next season's success.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Wallace is an apt scorer who gets to the rim, good defender and a great scoring option upgrade at the SF versus what we currently have. I think he brings a lot of to the team, I mean besides not being an "all-star".

 

[PapaG]

Wallace is an apt scorer who gets to the rim, good defender and a great scoring option upgrade at the SF versus what we currently have. I think he brings a lot of to the team, I mean besides not being an "all-star".

That's not the issue. I challenged the poster to back up how Gerald Wallace would have made this team a "title contender" next season. I imagine if the organization felt the same way about him, they would have acquired him.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

That's not the issue. I challenged the poster to back up how Gerald Wallace would have made this team a "title contender" next season. I imagine if the organization felt the same way about him, they would have acquired him.

I could give lots of arguments, you might even accept some of them. However, previous playoff experience is NOT a requirement,
which was your basis for discrediting Wallace.

Now that you have switched, I am no longer freaked out by your avatar!

 

[PapaG]

I could give lots of arguments, you might even accept some of them. However, previous playoff experience is NOT a requirement,
which was your basis for discrediting Wallace.

Now that you have switched, I am no longer freaked out by your avatar!

I didn't discredit Wallace, I just wondered what in his past made you feel he would make the Blazers a title contender this season.

As for the Great Gazoo avy, it makes it really easy to scroll down the page and find my posts.