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PapaG said:
It's your fault for hatching the egg early. I'm putting you on ignore. You're my first, but you don't even bother to read factual posts.
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:ghoti: sorry you can't face the truth. but thanks for letting me know, it really hurts that you're doing so!
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
:ghoti: sorry you can't face the truth. but thanks for letting me know, it really hurts that you're doing so!
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Well, I don't know how to put somebody on ignore, but I would have thought you would have learned from your last meltdown. The worst part is that you won't even educate yourself on the facts in this instance and what being under the cap could mean this summer in terms of a trade. You are being ridicuous.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
So you would sell your golden egg for anything??? No matter what was offered for it?
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Sure. For the reported deals, I think I would have done it. IMO, KP probably thought too highly, ran out of time and locked him out of a bunch of deals through his inflated ego and self-awareness.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Sure. For the reported deals, I think I would have done it. IMO, KP probably thought too highly, ran out of time and locked him out of a bunch of deals through his inflated ego and self-awareness.
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Well that's convincing. :biglaugh:
 
We've had this on the table for an entire half a season, a deal could have been made. KP dropped the ball on this one by not being able to utilize valuable assets. What we're left is that we're competing on a FA market in which there is a lot of uncertainty...its much more difficult to asess what and who is available. By all indications, Wallace and Butler may have been readily available....who'll be available this summer? Who knows.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Sure. For the reported deals, I think I would have done it. IMO, KP probably thought too highly, ran out of time and locked him out of a bunch of deals through his inflated ego and self-awareness.
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You don't know which of the reported deals were legit, or how accurate they were. And you're making assumptions on KP's thought process.

I guess it's easier for me to trust he did the right thing because I think he's done a great job of turning the team around, and you apparently don't.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
We've had this on the table for an entire half a season, a deal could have been made. KP dropped the ball on this one by not being able to utilize valuable assets. What we're left is that we're competing on a FA market in which there is a lot of uncertainty...its much more difficult to asess what and who is available. By all indications, Wallace and Butler may have been readily available....who'll be available this summer? Who knows.
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My point exactly. You are pissed we didn't trade for guys when you don't even know if they were available.
 
PapaG said:
Well, I don't know how to put somebody on ignore, but I would have thought you would have learned from your last meltdown. The worst part is that you won't even educate yourself on the facts in this instance and what being under the cap could mean this summer in terms of a trade. You are being ridicuous.
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http://sportstwo.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=20918

voila. click on my public profile, user list, ignore. I'll add it to my sig so others can do the same.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
My point exactly. You are pissed we didn't trade for guys that you don't even know if they were available.
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Don't let the facts get in the way of another meltdown. The delicate combo of ignorance and rage is pretty entertaining.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
how do we know the targets we want will be available this summer?

we don't. That's why cap space is a crap shoot.
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That argument only makes sense if KP said to himself, "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer."

I have no way of knowing if he thought that or not. And neither do you. Which means your argument only make sense in make-believe land.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
That argument only makes sense if KP said to himself, "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer."

I have no way of knowing if he thought that or not. And neither do you. Which means your argument only make sense in make-believe land.
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Well, that's the position that most in the "pro-no trade" are taking. I just don't think that we'll be a major player in Free Agency....we'll get a mid-tier NBA player to help off the bench.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
By all indications, Wallace and Butler may have been readily available....
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Butler? Well, if you'll believe any rumour you hear on the internetz, you should have mentioned how Granger was available free for Pritchard. After all, Quick mentioned him.

KP could have had Granger for nothing and purposely didn't pull the trigger. Dropped the ball.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Well, that's the position that most in the "pro-no trade" are taking. I just don't think that we'll be a major player in Free Agency....we'll get a mid-tier NBA player to help off the bench.
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Why can't you get it into your head that being up to $13 million under that cap doesn't mean that only FA options will be available? Seriously. Answer the question and quit dodging it.
 
Minstrel said:
Butler? Well, if you'll believe any rumour you hear on the internetz, you should have mentioned how Granger was available free for Pritchard. After all, Quick mentioned him.

KP could have had Granger for nothing and purposely didn't pull the trigger. Dropped the ball.
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well, Pritchard should have just shut his phone off until the offseason...maybe trip to hawaii. He tried to make deals, he failed to make it happen.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Well, that's the position that most in the "pro-no trade" are taking. I just don't think that we'll be a major player in Free Agency....we'll get a mid-tier NBA player to help off the bench.
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Your response to my argument is that I am taking the position of the side that disagrees with you? How profound. What I would like to know is, how is it wrong?
 
PapaG said:
Why can't you get it into your head that being up to $13 million under that cap doesn't mean that only FA options will be available? Seriously. Answer the question and quit dodging it.
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13 million under the cap if we renounce 3 players without retribution? No thanks. I'm not willing to just jettison Blake, Outlaw and Frye for nothing just to get further under the cap for a move that no one really knows what we're going to do.
 
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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
well, Pritchard should have just shut his phone off until the offseason...maybe trip to hawaii. He tried to make deals, he failed to make it happen.
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He looked at the available deals. If he turned down bad deals, that's good work.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
13 million under the cap if we renounce 3 players without retribution? No thanks. I'm not willing to just jettison Blake, Outlaw and Frye for nothing just to get further under the cap for a move that no one really knows what we're going to do.

Read this article on blazers edge:

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/19/764603/summer09cap
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What would you get for Frye at this point after the season? Why not let Blake walk if it means a better option comes back in a trade? Everyone but me seems to hate Outlaw, so who cares about him? I find it funny that players that people complain about now need to be kept in the offseason.
 
PapaG said:
What would you get for Frye at this point after the season? Why not let Blake walk if it means a better option comes back in a trade? Everyone but me seems to hate Outlaw, so who cares about him? I find it funny that players that people complain about now need to be kept in the offseason.
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Frye is worthless. Like I said at the time of the ZBO trade.

Blake is a good veteran point guard that we can use for many years. He's steady, hits some 3s and is a smart player. We always just can't have young studly point guards..we have to have that vet presence in the back court.

Outlaw? he's making like 4 million per year, is an apt scorer and we'll just let him go for nothing at all?

Frye is the only one worth renouncing and his contract isn't that big to begin with. But then we'd have to get a backup PF anyways, which will eat a few million of that cap space.
 
IMO, just renouncing Outlaw and Blake just to get a guy like Ramon Sessions isn't going to do jack shit. Its borderline ridiculous.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Frye is worthless. Like I said at the time of the ZBO trade.

Blake is a good veteran point guard that we can use for many years. He's steady, hits some 3s and is a smart player. We always just can't have young studly point guards..we have to have that vet presence in the back court.

Outlaw? he's making like 4 million per year, is an apt scorer and we'll just let him go for nothing at all?

Frye is the only one worth renouncing and his contract isn't that big to begin with. But then we'd have to get a backup PF anyways, which will eat a few million of that cap space.
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Renouncing Frye and getting creative with the TE means the team is over $10 million under the cap. Are you telling me a bad team wouldn't consider a trade at that point if the 125% rule didn't matter?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
IMO, just renouncing Outlaw and Blake just to get a guy like Ramon Sessions isn't going to do jack shit. Its borderline ridiculous.
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That doesn't have to happen though. You saying that's the only way to get Sessions is ridiculous, however.

Are you OK?
 
PapaG said:
Renouncing Frye and getting creative with the TE means the team is over $10 million under the cap. Are you telling me a bad team wouldn't consider a trade at that point if the 125% rule didn't matter?
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Trade for what. Our young guys for their old, overpaid players? Look, even if we are going to be targeting teams with inflated salaries, they are not going to be trading young players on the rise with reasonable contracts...they'll be trading more expensive players who are at or past their peak.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
how is what wrong?
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For future reference, the reason they show the old posts in each thread is so you can go back and look at them to see what each other said if you forget. Here's a recap:

You said:
We've had this on the table for an entire half a season, a deal could have been made. KP dropped the ball on this one by not being able to utilize valuable assets. What we're left is that we're competing on a FA market in which there is a lot of uncertainty...its much more difficult to asess what and who is available. By all indications, Wallace and Butler may have been readily available....who'll be available this summer? Who knows.

Then I said:
My point exactly. You are pissed we didn't trade for guys when you don't even know if they were available.

Then you said:

how do we know the targets we want will be available this summer?

we don't. That's why cap space is a crap shoot.

Then I said:

That argument only makes sense if KP said to himself, "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer."

I have no way of knowing if he thought that or not. And neither do you. Which means your argument only make sense in make-believe land.

Then you said:

Well, that's the position that most in the "pro-no trade" are taking. I just don't think that we'll be a major player in Free Agency....we'll get a mid-tier NBA player to help off the bench.

Then I said:
Your response to my argument is that I am taking the position of the side that disagrees with you? How profound. What I would like to know is, how is it wrong?



Which brings us to the present, and you still haven't answered the question, how is my argument wrong?
 
I never said that you are taking the position of the side that disgarees with me. By the position of the "pro-no trade", I was referring to: "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer." in reference to KP, not you.
 
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