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This trade deadline to me feels like a time we really need to go 1 step forward, 2 steps back. So hopefully they're thinking or looking at the same. Similar- ish to the year we traded Wallace for Damian pick. Move guys like Davis or turner or aminu or whoever to contenders looking for a push, slip backwards, and then combine assets in the offseason. Go from there.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
There's no such thing as a long term plan, only a process/methodology/set of principles.
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I agree. Things change in a hurry. No one knows that more than Blazer fans. (See Walton, Roy, and Oden)
2-3 years is about has far ahead as you can plan. But the basics are there....keep your draft picks.... at least until draft day.
 
blue32 said:
Always a deal coming soon! ;-)

but I hope they actually do something. this team is painful to watch.
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My bet is they trade for a couple draft picks and expiring contracts while unloading some bad contracts. Trying AGAIN for a fast rebuild around Dame and CJ.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree. Things change in a hurry. No one knows that more than Blazer fans. (See Walton, Roy, and Oden)
2-3 years is about has far ahead as you can plan. But the basics are there....keep your draft picks.... at least until draft day.
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You are confusing two types of assets. Revenue/expense vs personnel.

Revenue/expenses needs to be a long range budget plan so personnel assets can be acquired in a timely fashion.

Personnel emergencies can happen at any time. But it is proper long term budget planning that fixes those emergencies.

Right now, due to lack of long term planning, the Blazers budget is bankrupt, and will be for a few more seasons.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Would you go deep into the luxury tax to keep him? Is he worth paying him effectively 30 million a year on a sub .500 team? The alternative sucks too; we gave up a 1st round pick for him, so if he walks that's effectively no return on yet another pick.

Short of Olshey hypnotizing another GM and unloading a truck-load of hot garbage before the deadline, I think Plumlee has to be moved, otherwise it's just another wasted asset Olshey failed to capitalize on (or just as bad, overpays him for not enough production to warrant his cost).
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The only way it would be worth it to pay Plumlee and go into LT is to go after win now guys and make this team a contender next year. If you are going to go over the tax, it better be to win.
 
Thing is as a GM you really have to take advantage of the opportunity you have when you have it. Waiting for the draft and offseason may payoff big time, depending on where we end up at the end of this season. If we don't make any trades now, Olshey will be hedging his bets that he will be able to deliver some killer deals and possibly draft some players if we keep our picks. But, a alot of the guys the Blazers have been looking at and decide not to go after now, might not be there come the end of the season. We may see them all or at least many of them traded before the deadline, then we will be stuck in the mud again. I hope Neil really knows what he is doing. I used to think he was a genius before he clogged the toilet.
 
Chris Craig said:
The only way it would be worth it to pay Plumlee and go into LT is to go after win now guys and make this team a contender next year. If you are going to go over the tax, it better be to win.
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That feels very, very, VEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRYYYYYYY, unlikely.
 
Like a lot of folks, I think Dame CJ and Mason are our best players but as much hustle and effort Mason is putting in I constantly remind myself that he's putting up stats in losses.....JJ Hickson style except he's not selfish about it. We won't win counting on Mason to score in the end game that often....he wants a payday no matter how much we get attached to him.....we need a scoring big man worse than an assist heavy big
 
yuyuza1 said:
Oh I agree on Plums' value to the team. Not sure 14 mil is realistic for a legit starting big.

Guys like Biyombo, Mozgov, and Ian Mahinmi got 16-18 mil last year.

If you climb up to that range for Plums (and don't clear space), you're gonna be in cap/lux tax hell for the near future and even fewer opportunities to right the ship.
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I think we're going to see a decrease from the spending orgy we saw last offseason. Do the teams with the cap space to give Plumlee a $16-18mill offer even need or want him?
 
oldfisherman said:
Right now, due to lack of long term planning, the Blazers budget is bankrupt, and will be for a few more seasons.
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How do you know they did not plan for it? Maybe the plan was to sign their players instead of losing them for nothing and dumping the ones that did not work out. They lose nothing. If those players blew up this year after not resigning them......then he would get his ass fired.

At this very moment they are not in tax hell nor are they bankrupt. Maybe they know more than you do, on who is movable and who is not. Even if they move a few of these players for late 2nd round picks, they still gained something.

I will eat my words if NO ONE wants any of our young players for basically free. But I doubt that will happen. Either way it is a gamble, but I would prefer to have extra assets on the team to trade in the event that we need to match salaries for a disgruntled super star. Even if it is a long shot. That is also long term planning.......
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
I think we're going to see a decrease from the spending orgy we saw last offseason. Do the teams with the cap space to give Plumlee a $16-18mill offer even need or want him?
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I think New Orleans would love him passing to Davis in the post....
 
If we don't use Plumlee's value in a trade, we pretty much overpay or let him walk for nothing as we've been doing. If you trade him though, you're going to get another decent player with no guarantees but you at least get a player...his trade value has never been higher than it is this season.
 
I think they "had" a long term plan until last year gave everyone a false impression of where the team was.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Would you go deep into the luxury tax to keep him? Is he worth paying him effectively 30 million a year on a sub .500 team? The alternative sucks too; we gave up a 1st round pick for him, so if he walks that's effectively no return on yet another pick.

Short of Olshey hypnotizing another GM and unloading a truck-load of hot garbage before the deadline, I think Plumlee has to be moved, otherwise it's just another wasted asset Olshey failed to capitalize on (or just as bad, overpays him for not enough production to warrant his cost).
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Yep. Losing him for nothing in free agency or paying more luxury tax to keep a crappy team intact are both worse options.

This is a wasted season anyways at this point. Plumlee is our best realistic trade chip (i.e. not Dame/C.J.) and trading him for perhaps another draft pick would give us some return on him while also helping to set us up better for our own draft position. Give Plumlee's minutes to the young guys and let them sink or swim.
 
MM may need to change his name to "TradeWhisperer".

I think that what he posted makes sense. Given how many "almost impactful" guys this team has, it's pretty tough to say definitively who should stay and who should go and I could see there being some internal disagreement over what types of players are needed for the long term. Regarding Plumlee, I'd say that he only works as center of the future if the Blazers are able to find a consistent scoring threat at the 4 spot. I'd also point out that the luxury tax threshold is only relevant if the Blazers are over it at the trade deadline next season. Signing Plumlee this summer and looking to dump salary before the deadline is something that the Blazers may consider.
 
riverman said:
I think New Orleans would love him passing to Davis in the post....
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Any other teams that could use Plumlee's services? Any contending teams? He might be a good fit in Houston's uptempo offense?
 
Javale McGee makes 1.5 mil? He's on that list and he killed our bench when we played GS
 
Plumlee could have so much value to this team if we had a C or PF that played alongside him that rebounded and cut to the basket when Mason drives.
 
Scalma said:
San Antonio. Imagine Plumlee under Pop. He'd probably be an all star. Plumlee is worth keeping, he does a lot of good things, and always plays his ass off.
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Oh man, you are right, he would probably be utilized really well there. Plumlee for LA? ha
 
I'm curious to see if any teams offer Plumlee a starter's salary in free agency. He has such a peculiar game that it is hard to imagine any teams thinking of him as their missing piece and overpaying him.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
I'm curious to see if any teams offer Plumlee a starter's salary in free agency. He has such a peculiar game that it is hard to imagine any teams thinking of him as their missing piece and overpaying him.
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I go back and forth on what Plumlee's ideal role might be. Super-sub center who can dribble, pass and do a little bit of everything (except shoot), or a middling starter who's not quite big enough to adequately anchor a team's defense. Whatever the case, I can see somebody running out of options (like Neil did) and throwing an ass-load of money at him on about day 5 or 6 of free agency.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I agree. I just have serious doubts about how easily moved Meyers, Crabbe, and or Turner are going to be and what it would cost the Blazers for some team to take them off of their hands.
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yep, sounds so "easy" to move this guy or that but we have three very bad, large contracts that are not IMO going to be "easy" to move
 
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