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[Blazinaway]

We don't need to move all three.

we have probably the worst front line in the NBA, we suck, and we dished out 150 mil to Crabbe and ET, and unfortunately 40 mil to a worthless meyers

 

[riverman]

we have probably the worst front line in the NBA, we suck, and we dished out 150 mil to Crabbe and ET, and unfortunately 40 mil to a worthless meyers

wait until you see what role players get paid next season....10 mill will look like chicken feed and 18 will look like good role player money...

 

[tester551]

wait until you see what role players get paid next season....10 mill will look like chicken feed and 18 will look like good role player money...

I'm not buying it. Salary cap projections have been lowered significantly. It's not like there is going to be an un-ending flow of additional money to continue to play marginal players $15+M per year.

 

[riverman]

I'm not buying it. Salary cap projections have been lowered significantly. It's not like there is going to be an un-ending flow of additional money to continue to play marginal players $15+M per year.

There are only a handful of players starting that will not be overpaid next season.....the salary cap went up...not down

 

[Pinwheel1]

we have probably the worst front line in the NBA, we suck, and we dished out 150 mil to Crabbe and ET, and unfortunately 40 mil to a worthless meyers

So move Meyers. Again he only makes 9 million a year. Harkless also only makes 9 million a year. There is 18 right there.
ET might make a few million too much, but teams value him. Hell I value him and want to keep him. Crabbe can flat out shoot and has played well as of late. Teams will take him. If not this year, next year. The cap is not going down

 

[riverman]

There are only a handful of players starting that will not be overpaid next season.....the salary cap went up...not down

We paid an old Marcus Camby 13.3 million for basically 7 decent games in the lock out season...that's overpaying. ..and the cap was much lower back then

 

[Sinobas]

wait until you see what role players get paid next season....10 mill will look like chicken feed and 18 will look like good role player money...

Get some basic grasp on math.

 

[Nikolokolus]

wait until you see what role players get paid next season....10 mill will look like chicken feed and 18 will look like good role player money...

Just because other teams are going to be locked in to bad deals, doesn't really change the fortunes of the Blazers. Secondly, when you are paying a player with iffy defense and a meager 11 PER 18-19 million a year (Allen Crabbe) that's a shitty ROI, that would be a bad ROI if he was getting paid half that money.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I don't have the sources, good or bad, I once did. Some may think I never did. I digress. I am hearing from a couple of people, that may know things, that the Blazers are torn down the middle on how to proceed. Most agree there needs to be some change, but the organization is stalled right now in what that is, and when it should happen. Some want now, some want to wait until after the season.

Another thing is that Dame has the ear of the organization. I hate this. He is a very good player, not a very good GM.

Blazers have turned down deals for "prominent young players"

No idea what was leaving, but must have been too much?

NO is all about this draft, and using his "assets" to revamp roster

I think it'll come down to "we're not going over the luxury tax line this season unless we instantly become legitimate title contenders."

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

IMO Plumlee has the highest BB IQ on the team and is our most consistent player in terms of hustle and effort on both ends of the court night after night. Not our most talented but he works his ass off. It took Przybilla 6 years to become the center we loved in Portland. Not the most talented but brought attitude and toughness every night.

I would keep Plumlee because he's still getting better and his benefit to the team isn't dependent on him scoring.

I agree, and would try to keep him while shedding other contracts somehow over the next year or two. However if there is a GM out there who values him as much as you do and is willing to give value back, in the form of a three-of-our guys for a first tier player,then I would move Plumlee.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't have the sources, good or bad
...
I am hearing from a couple of people, that may know things

People that might know things and tell those things to you are called sources.

 

[BonesJones]

Any other teams that could use Plumlee's services? Any contending teams? He might be a good fit in Houston's uptempo offense?

Toronto needs a backup C and has 2 late firsts.

 

[HailBlazers]

I am hearing from a couple of people, that may know things, that the Blazers are torn down the middle on how to proceed. Most agree there needs to be some change, but the organization is stalled right now in what that is, and when it should happen. Some want now, some want to wait until after the season.

No $hit Sherlock. I could of told you that and I have zero sauces. Geez, where can a guy get a real pie these days.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Just because other teams are going to be locked in to bad deals, doesn't really change the fortunes of the Blazers. Secondly, when you are paying a player with iffy defense and a meager 11 PER 18-19 million a year (Allen Crabbe) that's a shitty ROI, that would be a bad ROI if he was getting paid half that money.

The money is all relative. I am guessing many GM's are just as interested in his 44% from beyond the arc than they are his PER. Put him on a team who desperately needs that skill set and they will be happy with their ROI. Assuming they are winning.

Right now we are not winning, so fans are not happy with anyone making huge money.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Case in point, he preferred Durant of Oden from the beginning of that summer. Everyone else in the 'room' convinced him that Oden was a once in a lifetime big that you just couldn't pass on (which most other people believed as well).

Looks as if you just tried to slip that in there, TB. But this is something I have been very curious about for years. I had always speculated that it might have been Pritchard who wanted Durant, solely because of a remark he made about Durant being an "assassin", which I know is not something he would have ever thought about Oden. But are you saying you have a solid, well-placed source who says it was Allen who wanted Durant?

 

[Nikolokolus]

The money is all relative. I am guessing many GM's are just as interested in his 44% from beyond the arc than they are his PER. Put him on a team who desperately needs that skill set and they will be happy with their ROI. Assuming they are winning.

Right now we are not winning, so fans are not happy with anyone making huge money.

I know it's said a sucker is born every minute, but at that price I'm guessing GMs around the league would be happier drafting a guy who was nothing but a shooter in college and gambling that he'll give you as much production as Crabbe does, at a fraction of the cost. We'll see what happens I guess.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Any other teams that could use Plumlee's services? Any contending teams? He might be a good fit in Houston's uptempo offense?

Utah Jazz? Washington Wizards?

 

[Cippy91]

Plumlee situation worries me. Afraid he walks for nothing

 

[Pinwheel1]

Plumlee situation worries me. Afraid he walks for nothing

I wouldn't worry about it. We have had this discussion before but has PA ever let someone walk for nothing....that he wanted to keep? He will match and then dump contracts if needed. Unless they find a better option at center before then.

 

[Sarni]

I'm not buying it. Salary cap projections have been lowered significantly. It's not like there is going to be an un-ending flow of additional money to continue to play marginal players $15+M per year.

What gets overlooked is even though the cap will go up, it will likely be by ca. $10M which means that teams that are reaching the limit now will have extra 11% to spend. Last year it went up by $24M (more than 30%) which basically forced teams to spend significant money and choose from free agency class of last year. Very few teams actually kept that money (Denver did). Cap going up by $10M from already higg $94M will not have the same effect as cap going up $24M from the level of $70M.

$19M Crabbe will be making next year will still be close to 20% of cap and it's not the sort of money you should be paying to a bench player.

 

[trailblazer18]

Utah Jazz? Washington Wizards?

I was thinking Utah, but figured we might not want to trade within the division. Not sure if that really matters though.

 

[Sarni]

Utah Jazz? Washington Wizards?

Gortat is much better and Gobert is on another level. They don't need expensive backups either.

Indiana is my call. He'd fit in well next to Myles. Or even better, Pelicans. Davis will compensate for his lack of defense.

 

[Cippy91]

I wouldn't worry about it. We have had this discussion before but has PA ever let someone walk for nothing....that he wanted to keep? He will match and then dump contracts if needed. Unless they find a better option at center before then.

There is a guy by the name of Lamarcus Aldridge. But then again he wasn't an RFA. What I worry about is Plumlee getting a poison deal just as crabbe did and maybe his numbers declining after he gets paid. I guess we see what kind of player Plumlee is after he gets paid but he is gonna get fucking paid

 

[Sarni]

Plumlee will probably get $15M from someone. I don't think he will get in excess of $20M at all.

To drop Crabbe or Turner, they would have to be considered good enough to be the third best player somewhere because $17M to $20M is what you pay to your third option when the cap is at ca. $105M. There are a few teams where they could be that but those teams may as well prefer someone else.

 

[Pinwheel1]

There is a guy by the name of Lamarcus Aldridge. But then again he wasn't an RFA. What I worry about is Plumlee getting a poison deal just as crabbe did and maybe his numbers declining after he gets paid. I guess we see what kind of player Plumlee is after he gets paid but he is gonna get fucking paid

Yeah LMA does not count because we had no control. I am talking RFA's.

Plums getting a poison deal is a worry though, but the money won't affect his production. Nor has it affected Crabbes. The guy's 3pt % is better this year than it has ever been. (Just under 44%)

 

[Blazinaway]

wait until you see what role players get paid next season....10 mill will look like chicken feed and 18 will look like good role player money...

not sure why you yhink that as the cap is only projected to increase

What gets overlooked is even though the cap will go up, it will likely be by ca. $10M which means that teams that are reaching the limit now will have extra 11% to spend. Last year it went up by $24M (more than 30%) which basically forced teams to spend significant money and choose from free agency class of last year. Very few teams actually kept that money (Denver did). Cap going up by $10M from already higg $94M will not have the same effect as cap going up $24M from the level of $70M.

$19M Crabbe will be making next year will still be close to 20% of cap and it's not the sort of money you should be paying to a bench player.

yep, good pt, and after next yrs most recent estimate at 102 mil (from current 92-94 mil estimate for this yr) the cap is only expected to rise 1 mil the following year

 

[Pinwheel1]

not sure why you yhink that as the cap is only projected to increase

yep, good pt, and after next yrs most recent estimate at 102 mil (from current 92-94 mil estimate for this yr) the cap is only expected to rise 1 mil the following year

That is still significant rise from 2014, which is barely over 2 years ago and is what most fans are used to:

"Jul 8, 2015 - AD. NEW YORK — The National Basketball Association today announced that the Salary Cap has increased by 11% to an all-time high of $70 million for the 2015-16 season. The tax level for the 2015-16 season increased by 10.3% to $84.740 million."

 

[Cippy91]

Yeah LMA does not count because we had no control. I am talking RFA's.

Plums getting a poison deal is a worry though, but the money won't affect his production. Nor has it affected Crabbes. The guy's 3pt % is better this year than it has ever been. (Just under 44%)

it certainly has affected crabbe. Just because his 3 point percentage is great doesn't mean he is doing his part. He is extremely inconsistent this year in terms of aggressiveness and ppg. Percentages are one thing, production is another

 

[Pinwheel1]

it certainly has affected crabbe. Just because his 3 point percentage is great doesn't mean he is doing his part. He is extremely inconsistent this year in terms of aggressiveness and ppg. Percentages are one thing, production is another

His PPG are also up. He was inconsistent last year as well. Most guys coming off the bench are. I doubt it has to due to his contract.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

MM returns at the same time as "the soup juggler" is finally playing well - coincidence?