White couple now charged with hunting down, killing black teen because of race

[SlyPokerDog]

A white couple accused of using a Jeep to purposely run into and kill a black teenager in August were charged Tuesday with a new crime: targeting the 19-year-old because of his race.

Russell Orlando Courtier, 38, and Colleen Catherine Hunt, 35, were charged with murder last month in the Aug. 10 death of Larnell Malik Bruce.

Police say Courtier, a convicted felon with a long rap sheet, scuffled with the teenager outside a Gresham 7-Eleven and moments later drove his Jeep into Bruce. The two didn't know each other.

A grand jury on Monday went a step further by indicting Courtier and Hunt with first- and second-degree intimidation, both hate crimes. The two appeared in Multnomah County Circuit Court to be formally charged under the new indictment.

Although Courtier was allegedly behind the wheel, Hunt is accused of "aiding and abetting" her boyfriend by accompanying him to the convenience store near 188th Avenue and Burnside Street. Police say she encouraged Courtier to fight Bruce outside the store by yelling "Get him, baby!" But she claimed no involvement in the killing, saying "I was only in the car," according to a probable cause affidavit.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2016/09/white_couple_now_charged_with.html#incart_2box

 

[SlyPokerDog]

"Get him, baby!"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't agree with the concept of a "hate crime". Intent shouldn't be a separate crime, it should weigh in on the original criminal acts.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I don't agree with the concept of a "hate crime". Intent shouldn't be a separate crime, it should weigh in on the original criminal acts.

What about terrorism? That's just intent.

 

[PDXFonz]

Her name is C. Hunt and she sure looks it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

What about terrorism? That's just intent.

Uhhhh, how?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Wait, they picked a black kid to start a fight with at 7/11 and then decided to run him over and kill him just because he was black?

And the woman is also a murderer because she said "get him"?

 

[Sedatedfork]

Uhhhh, how?

18 U.S.C. § 2331 "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

 

[MARIS61]

The guy is a murderer.

The woman did nothing illegal.

Nothing else to see here.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

18 U.S.C. § 2331 "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

You're missing something...

1. "With the following THREE characteristics"

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If they flew planes into the WTC just to kill themselves and not to attack this country would that be better? Long term maybe, but to the people involved not any better.

We have people on the no fly list, thousands of them. If they just intend for us to die why haven't they all been arrested?

 

[Sedatedfork]

If they flew planes into the WTC just to kill themselves and not to attack this country would that be better? Long term maybe, but to the people involved not any better.

We have people on the no fly list, thousands of them. If they just intend for us to die why haven't they all been arrested?

So, they should be charged with murder if they lived, but if it is bad public policy to criminalize intent/motive then it would be a bad idea to punish them more or increase the charges because of their purpose to intimidate, etc... Just pointing out the double standard of saying don't criminalize intent/motive but increase punishment for terrorists.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What about terrorism? That's just intent.

Not really.

 

[Sedatedfork]

You're missing something...

1. "With the following THREE characteristics"

Right, so you can't commit domestic terrorism unless you have ALREADY violated a law but ALSO have the intent to intimidate, etc. No different than the way a hate crime or penalty enhancement works.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Not really.

How's it different? One guy hates black people and is motivated to commit violence against a black person because he hates black people. He is motivated to create fear in black people for his own political purposes. Result: Hate Crime. Another guy hates America and is motivated to commit violence against Americans because he hates America and wants Americans to live in fear for his own political purposes. Result: Domestic Terrorism violation of the US Patriot Act. Both are crimes motivated by prejudice. Both are treated the same. Both are in fact... the same.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How's it different? One guy hates black people and is motivated to commit violence against a black person because he hates black people. He is motivated to create fear in black people for his own political purposes. Result: Hate Crime. Another guy hates America and is motivated to commit violence against Americans because he hates America and wants Americans to live in fear for his own political purposes. Result: Domestic Terrorism violation of the US Patriot Act. Both are crimes motivated by prejudice. Both are treated the same. Both are in fact... the same.

He was not motivated to create fear or terror.

Where did you get that from? He did it because he hated black people and probably got kicks out of doing it. Probably saw the black person as some kind of animal and was hunting for sport.

 

[Sedatedfork]

He was not motivated to create fear or terror.

Where did you get that from? He did it because he hated black people and probably got kicks out of doing it. Probably saw the black person as some kind of animal and was hunting for sport.

They were both charged with 1st and 2nd degree intimidation, which incidentally is how "domestic terrorism" is defined too.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They were both charged with 1st and 2nd degree intimidation, which incidentally is how "domestic terrorism" is defined too.

The intimidation charge stems from when they chased the guy. They aren't intimidating society at large.

 

[Natebishop3]

So I totally get that this guy is a murderer piece of human garbage.... but I'm curious what evidence they have that he was a racist murderer piece of human garbage?

 

[Sedatedfork]

So I totally get that this guy is a murderer piece of human garbage.... but I'm curious what evidence they have that he was a racist murderer piece of human garbage?

Well, he was a member of the European Kindred, a white supremacist prison gang. He also has prison tatoos for the gang.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, he was a member of the European Kindred, a white supremacist prison gang. He also has prison tatoos for the gang.

Well there you go.

 

[Sedatedfork]

He also tattooed "party bone" on his penis. So, he's made all kinds of bad decisions.

http://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...cist-charged-in-black-teens-murder-in-gresham

 

[Natebishop3]

He also tattooed "party bone" on his penis. So, he's made all kinds of bad decisions.

http://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...cist-charged-in-black-teens-murder-in-gresham

Well that one sounds like an awesome decision.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Everyone is just jealous that they can't get more than part tattooed without running out of room.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

What about terrorism? That's just intent.

I don't think I caught what you meant. You mean intent is what separates someone from being just a killer from a terrorist?



Anyway, I think murderers should be executed so charging them with more than murder doesn't affect how I feel about this piece of shit. His mentally defective girlfriend needs committed until it can be determined how much she had to do with this.

 

[PDXFonz]

I'd like to present her with this Coffee Mug from University of North Texas