Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

[Minstrel]

Extremism lives off of attention. I'm not saying ignore it completely. I'm saying stop giving it media attention.

So there should have been no media attention for 9/11, either, out of curiosity? I'm honestly trying to understand if you believe that all acts of terrorism should not be covered by media and, if not, which ones should be and which ones shouldn't be.

 

[Jade Falcon]

So there should have been no media attention for 9/11, either, out of curiosity? I'm honestly trying to understand if you believe that all acts of terrorism should not be covered by media and, if not, which ones should be and which ones shouldn't be.

Did I say that all acts of terrorism should not be covered by the media?

Go back and read what I said. I said "extremism". The media using "breaking news" to cover a white supremacist rally isn't news, and it only gives extremism the attention that it does not deserve.

Think of it this way: why do we not hear about the Westboro Baptist Church anymore? Because people figured it out that they thrive on attention.

If a bomb goes off, or some asshole walks into a church and shoots up a bunch of people, then cover it. But covering a bunch of neo Nazis or ANTIFA scumbags at a rally only gives them the attention that shouldn't be theirs in the first place.

 

[Minstrel]

Did I say that all acts of terrorism should not be covered by the media?

No...that's why I asked.

Go back and read what I said. I said "extremism".

Are you seriously suggesting that the 9/11 attacks weren't done by extremists? Pretty much all terrorism is examples of extremism.

If a bomb goes off, or some asshole walks into a church and shoots up a bunch of people, then cover it.

Or if someone purposely runs over people with a car?

 

[Jade Falcon]

No...that's why I asked.



Are you seriously suggesting that the 9/11 attacks weren't done by extremists? Pretty much all terrorism is examples of extremism.



Or if someone purposely runs over people with a car?

Yes, or if someone runs someone over with a car. Or shoots police officers at a BLM rally. Or any of the countless other crimes that are despicable and shouldn't be tolerated in this country.

Yes, 9/11 was done by extremists. The ACT was done by extremists. But was anyone covering a rally of Muslim extremists protesting peacefully?

My point is that they shouldn't cover things like rallies. It only gives extremism a voice.

I am NOT saying don't cover actual ACTS of terrorism or violence from extremists. But a bunch of clowns gathering for a shouting match at town hall is only giving extremism a voice that it does not deserve.

I really can't say it any more simply than that.

 

[Cippy91]

I think it's important to give it attention and show the imagery so people realize the real state of white nationalists. It was in one of the threads here a few months back where there were posters saying there really aren't any white nationalists and that it's just one here or there. That the rallies have only 8 people showing up. That it's not a really problem, that Nazi's in America don't really exist. Well, they do. And the problem has gotten worse and the assholes emboldened by Trump and his unwillingness quickly condemn such folk.

I am not claiming that most Trump supporters are Nazi's, I don't believe that to be the case, but I do think many have been willing to turn a blind eye to so many "White Nationalists" supporting Trump and to Trump not telling them he doesn't want their support. McCain, Obama and Bush all told supporters at some point that they were not welcomed when they said outrageous things about "others". Trump has spoken out only a couple times, and only once a shit-storm ensued from his lack of initial response. And always with caveats.

These images create indelibility. That matters.

but can donald trump control if he has some white nationalists supporting him? no. Nobody denies there are white nationalists but they are an extreme minority. Now all of a sudden after today everybody will be saying we have such a problem in this country, I mean it's all just a shit show

 

[Cippy91]

So there should have been no media attention for 9/11, either, out of curiosity? I'm honestly trying to understand if you believe that all acts of terrorism should not be covered by media and, if not, which ones should be and which ones shouldn't be.

comparing these two things are insane. 9/11 was HUGE. This is a minority of white racists. Ya know the same thing goes for antifa, don't give these fucks attention, these are all lost and hateful people. The issue is the media takes these stories and drags them out, uses them to brainwash people further.

 

[Jade Falcon]

but can donald trump control if he has some white nationalists supporting him? no. Nobody denies there are white nationalists but they are an extreme minority. Now all of a sudden after today everybody will be saying we have such a problem in this country, I mean it's all just a shit show

And I still maintain that, in regards to the entire country, that such people are a minority.

The majority of White Nationalists are in the south, but it doesn't mean that the majority of the South supports White Nationalism. White Nationalists are a small minority of people in this country.

 

[Minstrel]

Yes, or if someone runs someone over with a car.

Well, that happened there. The media attention before it seemed to me (I caught a little of it during breakfast) because there seemed to be the potential for it to explode into violence--which it did. There are tons of rallies around the country that don't get much exposure.

But a bunch of clowns gathering for a shouting match at town hall is only giving extremism a voice that it does not deserve.

I don't think it makes much sense to essentially equate both sides here as "clowns." One was a group of racists, the other was protesting that racism. Racism is actually wrong (which you've admitted in this thread, being quick to say they don't represent you or Trump), not just one perspective like being liberal or conservative. If police had a solidarity rally and another group who believed cops should die were also there and ran a car over them, would you say both sides were "a bunch of clowns?" I doubt it. Protesting racism is not extremism. The only extremism was on the side of the white supremacists.

 

[Rhal]

but can donald trump control if he has some white nationalists supporting him? no. Nobody denies there are white nationalists but they are an extreme minority. Now all of a sudden after today everybody will be saying we have such a problem in this country, I mean it's all just a shit show

You can't control who supports you and who doesn't but Trumps lack of response to any issues regarding the Alt-Right, or whatever the fuck you want to call the white nationalist, and not coming out and condemning the actions they take in his name is emboldening them and other groups like them to do it again and again.

 

[Cippy91]

You can't control who supports you and who doesn't but Trumps lack of response to any issues regarding the Alt-Right, or whatever the fuck you want to call the white nationalist, and not coming out and condemning the actions they take in his name is emboldening them and other groups like them to do it again and again.

I just don't know what the fuck people want from him, it's never enough in terms of what he says, he said he condemns hates on both sides and people are on his dick because he didn't specifically say white nationalists, I don't even care for the guy but holy fuck everybody letting this small group of idiots get them all outraged.

 

[Cippy91]

Everybody acts like they hate the fuck out of trump and don't care but get this fake outrage when he doesn't specifically say white nationalists like what?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Well, that happened there. The media attention before it seemed to me (I caught a little of it during breakfast) because there seemed to be the potential for it to explode into violence--which it did. There are tons of rallies around the country that don't get much exposure.



I don't think it makes much sense to essentially equate both sides here as "clowns." One was a group of racists, the other was protesting that racism. Racism is actually wrong (which you've admitted in this thread, being quick to say they don't represent you or Trump), not just one perspective like being liberal or conservative. If police had a solidarity rally and another group who believed cops should die were also there and ran a car over them, would you say both sides were "a bunch of clowns?" I doubt it.

Really? You don't think ANTIFA or BLM are a bunch of clowns? Because they are the ones who usually show up to "counter-protest". One claims to want to kill anyone they think is a Fascist (anyone who voted for Trump), and BLM rallies have people on record calling for "killing pigs". And they aren't talking about the animal.....

Wasn't it Further who said that Trump voters had a way of turning a blind eye to white nationalists? What do you think you're doing here? It sounds to me like you're trying to minimize one to spite the other.

ALL of us need to stop this shit. I don't believe that ANTIFA speaks for the majority of the Left, anymore than the KKK speaks for the majority of the Right. Trying to score brownie points here isn't doing anyone any good. It's time to stop that shit and start calling BOTH sides out for their extremist views.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Everybody acts like they hate the fuck out of trump and don't care but get this fake outrage when he doesn't specifically say white nationalists like what?

 

[BlayZa]

im all about people being proud about their color n heritage n whatever else, but why do white ones get called racist and black one's strong courageous and powerful?

not condoning any of the violence n all - on any side, but as someone outside the usa it seems like an accepted double standard around racial pride? it seems the white ones set shit off much more? why?

if you watch the ufc, cain velasquez has 'brown pride' tattooed across his chest, i always wondered the reaction if say, conor mcgregor had 'white pride' across his chest. would he be celebrated or chastised?

race n religion - just about everything shit in history is related to these two things.

1 race - less sky fairies.


sad shit.

 

[Cippy91]

SlyPokerDog is a fucktard and wears panties. The rest of my post isn't important. I just like to insult people I disagree with.

 

[Cippy91]

Really? You don't think ANTIFA or BLM are a bunch of clowns? Because they are the ones who usually show up to "counter-protest". One claims to want to kill anyone they think is a Fascist (anyone who voted for Trump), and BLM rallies have people on record calling for "killing pigs". And they aren't talking about the animal.....

Wasn't it Further who said that Trump voters had a way of turning a blind eye to white nationalists? What do you think you're doing here? It sounds to me like you're trying to minimize one to spite the other.

ALL of us need to stop this shit. I don't believe that ANTIFA speaks for the majority of the Left, anymore than the KKK speaks for the majority of the Right. Trying to score brownie points here isn't doing anyone any good. It's time to stop that shit and start calling BOTH sides out for their extremist views.

Rightfully so it's fucking bullshit that these white racists exist but nobody calls the shit out when you see blm marching through rioting and shit, saying crazy racist shit about white people and every cuck of a white person is like "oh well that's just because they are opressed". Where do you draw the line? please decide

 

[Rhal]

I just don't know what the fuck people want from him, it's never enough in terms of what he says, he said he condemns hates on both sides and people are on his dick because he didn't specifically say white nationalists, I don't even care for the guy but holy fuck everybody letting this small group of idiots get them all outraged.

I did not know about his tweets when he I wrote that, was still under the impression he hasn't said anything about it. As surprised as I am that Trump would come out and talk about this since he has remained silent on other similar things, today he is actually acting like how I think a president should act.

 

[Cippy91]

im all about people being proud about their color n heritage n whatever else, but why do white ones get called racist and black one's strong courageous and powerful?

not condoning any of the violence n all - on any side, but as someone outside the usa it seems like an accepted double standard around racial pride? it seems the white ones set shit off much more? why?

if you watch the ufc, cain velasquez has 'brown pride' tattooed across his chest, i always wondered the reaction if say, conor mcgregor had 'white pride' across his chest. would he be celebrated or chastised?

race n religion - just about everything shit in history is related to these two things.

1 race - less sky fairies.


sad shit.

EXACTLY. Saying black power and black excellence is fine. All this shit but if a white person is proud of their heritage it's a fucking issue. This country is just so ass backwards, logic went completely out the window forever ago and these white people use black people as their little pets to push forward their morale superiority and virtue signal. That's all it's about

 

[Minstrel]

Really? You don't think ANTIFA or BLM are a bunch of clowns? Because they are the ones who usually show up to "counter-protest".

BLM is definitely not a "bunch of clowns." They're protesting for a very legitimate cause, cutting down on police brutality. There's an irony in saying "The police as a group are great, but there are a few bad apples" but yet saying "All of BLM are terrible people because there are some nuts who want to cops to die." I do think Antifa is a problematic group.

And anyway, this just seemed to be a group of people protesting neo Nazis, not a BLM or Antifa gathering as far as I've read.

 

[Cippy91]

I did not know about his tweets when he I wrote that, was still under the impression he hasn't said anything about it. As surprised as I am that Trump would come out and talk about this since he has remained silent on other similar things, today he is actually acting like how I think a president should act.

For the record, I don't think he acts like a president. I hate his tweets, they are childish but people are literally freaking the fuck out he didn't say white nationalists, but he said he condemns hate of all sides. I mean what the fuck do people want

 

[Jade Falcon]

I did not know about his tweets when he I wrote that, was still under the impression he hasn't said anything about it. As surprised as I am that Trump would come out and talk about this since he has remained silent on other similar things, today he is actually acting like how I think a president should act.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet, here's Trump's speech:

 

[Rhal]

Rightfully so it's fucking bullshit that these white racists exist but nobody calls the shit out when you see blm marching through rioting and shit, saying crazy racist shit about white people and every cuck of a white person is like "oh well that's just because they are opressed". Where do you draw the line? please decide

actually I see people calling that shit out everytime it happens and there are threads on this board talking about, and a good portion of the posters, condemning those marches when they turn into Rioting ect. If you don't see the people condemning BLM when they step out of line then you aren't looking very hard.

 

[Rhal]

If anyone hasn't seen it yet, here's Trump's speech:

Thanks for posting that. I missed all of that because I just turned on the news for the first time today 15m ago and i'm getting caught up on everything. Its been a shitstorm since last night it seems.

 

[Cippy91]

BLM is definitely not a "bunch of clowns." They're protesting for a very legitimate cause, cutting down on police brutality. There's an irony in saying "The police as a group are great, but there are a few bad apples" but yet saying "All of BLM are terrible people because there are some nuts who want to cops to die." I do think Antifa is a problematic group.

And anyway, this just seemed to be a group of people protesting neo Nazis, not a BLM or Antifa gathering as far as I've read.

Then I would like to know why it's okay for BLM members to be racist toward s white people and get aggressive and riot, but be praised. It's a shitty group. The name itself is fucking retarded. Who doesn't think black lives matter?l it's more bullshit outrage, look at the real statistics, maybe they should be concerned on blacks taking other blacks lives since that number is fucking absurd as opposed to a couple shootings out of the year when it comes to cops and some of which are justified. People act like white people don't get killed by police. Nobody had shit to say when that white woman got killed by police not long ago. Where was blm since they are all about police brutality? no where

 

[Jade Falcon]

BLM is definitely not a "bunch of clowns." They're protesting for a very legitimate cause, cutting down on police brutality. There's an irony in saying "The police as a group are great, but there are a few bad apples" but yet saying "All of BLM are terrible people because there are some nuts who want to cops to die." I do think Antifa is a problematic group.

And anyway, this just seemed to be a group of people protesting neo Nazis, not a BLM or Antifa gathering as far as I've read.

Then saying "kill the pigs" and "pigs must die" certainly seems like a hell of a way of protesting. Does the rest of BLM condemn such messages?

I certainly hope so.

In regards to the protest in Virginia, I've seen some pictures that had signs that suggested ANTIFA was involved at some level with the protests. And no, I don't have the pictures in front of me at the moment.

Ultimately.....all of this needs to stop. BOTH sides need to call out their nutbags and get rid of them.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

im all about people being proud about their color n heritage n whatever else, but why do white ones get called racist and black one's strong courageous and powerful?

not condoning any of the violence n all - on any side, but as someone outside the usa it seems like an accepted double standard around racial pride? it seems the white ones set shit off much more? why?

Because people who yell "white pride!" On the street corner are generally racist fucks who also say things like "gas the Jews!". If you really want to blame someone for stigmatizing the phrase, umm, blame them.

It's really not that confusing lol.

 

[riverman]

Make America Hate Again!!!! ........Do any of these protesters have jobs to go to? We are entering yet another chapter in our history ....The Ugly American....the sequel....I didn't think I'd see this again in my lifetime....too many preachers and not enough people leading by example...what we are facing right now in the world is chaos...paranoia and divisionism we haven't seen since the 60s....This is the product of power gained by insult....

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Then saying "kill the pigs" and "pigs must die" certainly seems like a hell of a way of protesting. Does the rest of BLM condemn such messages?

I certainly hope so.

In regards to the protest in Virginia, I've seen some pictures that had signs that suggested ANTIFA was involved at some level with the protests. And no, I don't have the pictures in front of me at the moment.

Ultimately.....all of this needs to stop. BOTH sides need to call out their nutbags and get rid of them.

Kill the pigs.

Pigs must die.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Then I would like to know why it's okay for BLM members to be racist toward s white people and get aggressive and riot, but be praised. It's a shitty group. The name itself is fucking retarded. Who doesn't think black lives matter?l it's more bullshit outrage, look at the real statistics, maybe they should be concerned on blacks taking other blacks lives since that number is fucking absurd as opposed to a couple shootings out of the year when it comes to cops and some of which are justified. People act like white people don't get killed by police. Nobody had shit to say when that white woman got killed by police not long ago. Where was blm since they are all about police brutality? no where

The white woman in Minnesota? There were protests. BLM showed up.

No, it's not okay for BLM members to be racist.

Actually there are parts of BLM that is very good and has tried to steer the discussion for good for all people. Here is their website. It gets very little coverage but there are some excellent ideas there that are worthy of calm discussion.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Does the rest of BLM condemn such messages?

Yes, the majority do.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/