White Privilege at its Finest

[Mediocre Man]

The father said his son can't enjoy steak like he used to. She was raped, he can't enjoy steak as much, he's the real victim. Apple didn't fall far from the tree.

He's also having trouble sleeping....poor baby.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Or in the same vein, if I were to get blackout drunk, and someone stole my wallet.

He didn't steal your wallet--you gave it to him. You just don't remember that the guy really needed some money, and the alcohol caused you to feel very generous in the moment. The fact that you regretted it after the fact shouldn't excuse you.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So, I guess OJ isn't a murderer.

He was never proven to be

This piece of shit was also never proven to be a rapist because he wasn't on trial for that

 

[riverman]

The 100% truth did come out, blue. Read what the woman wrote. The rapist did not contest it factually, he just said she wanted it. And that he should be excused.

Look, we've all been young and stupid. There were many times in my young wild child days when I drank more than I should, never to unconsciousness but in and out. And was not raped. There were times when I went to parties with people whom I barely knew. And was not raped. I was not raped because there was no rapist there.

I ended up in the sack with people about whom I next day thought oi vey what the hell was I thinking to go off with that loser? Social embarrassment for sure. But I was not raped because there was no rapist there.

As this woman said so eloquently, alcohol did not rape her. Promiscuity may carry risks but promiscuity did not rape her. A rapist raped her. She was not raped because she had too much to drink, she was raped because there was a rapist there.

Hard to say "lucky" in such a case but she was "lucky" in that she also seemed to come from a privileged enough background that her charges were taken seriously, the passersby stopped the assault instead of saying "not my business" or joining in, she was not told she made the whole thing up, her family did not call her whore and throw her out, her boyfriend did not dump her, her employer did not fire her, she did not get pregnant and have male legislators tell her it is a gift from god and try to force her to carry to term, she did not have an entire student body calling her slut and whore and sending death threats because she "ruined" the rapists life. Other women have experienced all that. So, of course, have men who have been assaulted.

Sadly, rape remains the only crime where it is not only necessary to prove the defendant committed the crime, as in all US jurisprudence, but that the victim did not want or deserve it. Your car is stolen, your house broken into, you are murdered, no one is going to try to claim you really wanted it.

Huge respect...this post should be a syllabus class lesson for every type of education on the planet...military, sports, law enforcement, entertainment, business, labor, etc...just a great piece of work ...! I could like this a thousand times!

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Or in the same vein, if I were to get blackout drunk, and someone stole my wallet.

What if the person that stole your wallet was also blackout drunk?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It 100% could.

See this quote from the DA in the OP's article. "District Attorney Jeff Rosen said in a statement. “No means no, drunk means no, passed out means no, and sex without consent means criminal assault.”

In the situation that Crand listed above, she was raped, according to the DA.

There was no sex

 

[Natebishop3]

What if the person that stole your wallet was also blackout drunk?

What if he was only drunk and I was blackout drunk, but I gave him money to go buy more booze. Then the next day I accuse him of theft because I don't remember giving him the money?

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's inexcusable. However, is he a bad guy, or did he make an overwhelmingly bad decision? Both of them are scarred for life because of this.

I have friends I grew up with that were pretty nice individuals that made 1 bad decision and went to jail.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So, I guess OJ isn't a murderer.

Clearly white privlege

 

[Sedatedfork]

He was never proven to be

This piece of shit was also never proven to be a rapist because he wasn't on trial for that

I get that, but it's a matter of opinion. It's fair to call him a rapist, just like it is to call Bill Cosby a rapist. Neither has been convicted of rape. OJ wasn't convicted of murder, but I can call him a murderer, because I believe he intentionally killed his ex and her boyfriend. I believe the circumstances here show Mr. Asshole Jr. to be a rapist, and there is privilege here in some sense. It's just dripping from Mr. Asshole's defense strategy, and Mr. Asshole Sr.'s letter to the judge. Whether you want to call it white privilege or class privilege or male privilege... It's there.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What if he was only drunk and I was blackout drunk, but I gave him money to go buy more booze. Then the next day I accuse him of theft because I don't remember giving him the money?

Then he's a G-D thief!! He clearly took advantage of your impaired state to get you to do something you wouldn't have consented to otherwise. He violated your wallet.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I get that, but it's a matter of opinion. It's fair to call him a rapist, just like it is to call Bill Cosby a rapist. Neither has been convicted of rape. OJ wasn't convicted of murder, but I can call him a murderer, because I believe he intentionally killed his ex and her boyfriend. I believe the circumstances here show Mr. Asshole Jr. to be a rapist, and there is privilege here in some sense. It's just dripping from Mr. Asshole's defense strategy, and Mr. Asshole Sr.'s letter to the judge. Whether you want to call it white privilege or class privilege or male privilege... It's there.

Class privilege if anything. The victim is white, so calling it white privilege makes no sense.

 

[crandc]

In the situations described above, if you drank more than you should have and ended up in the sack with people about whom you next day thought "Oi vey what the hell was I thinking", couldn't the person with whom you ended up in the sack be classified as a rapist if you were too intoxicated to give legitimate consent?

No. I was tipsy, not incapacitated. My judgment was impaired but I was awake and aware of what I did. Big difference.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Class privilege if anything. The victim is white, so calling it white privilege makes no sense.

It does if the question is with what would happen to a black man convicted under the same circumstances. The race of the victim is not at issue here.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No. I was tipsy, not incapacitated. My judgment was impaired but I was awake and aware of what I did. Big difference.

How impaired by alcohol does a woman have to be before her consent is no longer valid? .08? Unconscious? Somewhere inbetween?

 

[Denny Crane]

Bonus points if you spot Sly in this GIF

 

[Mediocre Man]

It does if the question is with what would happen to a black man convicted under the same circumstances. The race of the victim is not at issue here.

The thread is titled White Privilege at it's Finest. I just want someone to explain where the victims white privilege is? This is class privilege.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The thread is titled White Privilege at it's Finest. I just want someone to explain where the victims white privilege is? This is class privilege.

Her white privilege is in the fact that she was listened to and that the case was prosecuted at all. Had she been black, he would have been acquitted, or perhaps not even indicted.

I'm assuming.

 

[blue32]

How impaired by alcohol does a woman have to be before her consent is no longer valid? .08? Unconscious? Somewhere inbetween?

This is exactly what I was wondering. And I would say man or woman. Gotta be fair!

 

[blue32]

The thread is titled White Privilege at it's Finest. I just want someone to explain where the victims white privilege is? This is class privilege.

heh. good luck on that one..

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Her white privilege is in the fact that she was listened to and that the case was prosecuted at all. Had she been black, he would have been acquitted, or perhaps not even indicted.

I'm assuming.

So in the Banks and Duke lacrosse cases, the supposed victims used black privilege?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So in the Banks and Duke lacrosse cases, the supposed victims used black privilege?

No, they benefited from not-a-lame-ass-lacrosse-player privilege.

 

[crandc]

How impaired by alcohol does a woman have to be before her consent is no longer valid? .08? Unconscious? Somewhere inbetween?

If a person is incapable of giving or withholding consent. It's really not difficult. Is the person awake and aware or not? It is only tough if you are trying to make excuses for rape.

 

[crandc]

The only problem I have with the thread title is that there should not be an apostrophe.
Its

 

[Denny Crane]

What apostrophe?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If a person is incapable of giving or withholding consent. It's really not difficult. Is the person awake and aware or not? It is only tough if you are trying to make excuses for rape.

I resent the implication that attempting to clarify the standard equates to excusing rapists. That offends me to my core.

As quoted earlier, the DA in this case said "drunk means no, unconscious means no", clearly separating the two. You (and other sites I've looked at) also use the word "incapacitated", which obviously has a massively different connotation from simply "drunk". Either way, the problem is in the subjective nature of the term. How and by whom is the "incapacitated" determination to be made? What benchmarks define "awake but not aware"? How is a hopeful-non-rapist to be certain that a potential partner is giving legally valid consent (since it has been demonstrated that simply believing that the intoxicated person is "awake and aware" is not actually sufficient)?

I'm a non-drinking, monogamous, married father of a teenage girl, so I have absolutely no desire to justify any sexual misconduct. But I also think neither this discussion nor any of these questions are unreasonable for those persons to whom these situations are relevant.

 

[H.C.]

Mind boggling that he got off with such a light sentence.
Having millions... Or the ability to make millions at sports affords you so many more luxuries that the common Homosapian would never get.

I do however have to disagree with white privilege having a major role here.
I know for a fact that if for example, I were to go finger bang an intoxicated female who was or was not able to tell me no... Yet I still did it..
I wouldn't get off with a slap on the wrist like this man did.
Money played the major role in this case.
Which is sad, people shouldn't be able to buy their way out of trouble...
Nor should judges go easy on the verdict just because they're a well known athlete.
But alas I can think of quite a few athletes white and black that got away with just a slap of the wrist.
Maybe one day as Homosapians we'll stop idolizing the top athletes in society. But as of right now that is not the case.
The worst part about it is as a society... This case will be forgotten in a few months. We'll go back to idolizing the top athletes in the world.
Yet this woman will never forget the night she was raped.

I will say the role white privilege did play is how the media portrayed the case.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I will say the role white privilege did play is how the media portrayed the case.

And the media can be controlled by the 1% and the donations they make to these media outlets.

The 1% wants us fighting over shit like this to keep us occupied with the income inequality that really is going on.

 

[H.C.]

I resent the implication that attempting to clarify the standard equates to excusing rapists. That offends me to my core.

As quoted earlier, the DA in this case said "drunk means no, unconscious means no", clearly separating the two. You (and other sites I've looked at) also use the word "incapacitated", which obviously has a massively different connotation from simply "drunk". Either way, the problem is in the subjective nature of the term. How and by whom is the "incapacitated" determination to be made? What benchmarks define "awake but not aware"? How is a hopeful-non-rapist to be certain that a potential partner is giving legally valid consent (since it has been demonstrated that simply believing that the intoxicated person is "awake and aware" is not actually sufficient)?

I'm a non-drinking, monogamous, married father of a teenage girl, so I have absolutely no desire to justify any sexual misconduct. But I also think neither this discussion nor any of these questions are unreasonable for those persons to whom these situations are relevant.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

As the discussion has shown there are more facets to this story than just race. So this might not be the best case to discuss something that is clearly real.

Besides, white privilege at its finest is when I go to Hoover Dam and the security officers just wave me through while I watch them search a car full of brown people.