White Privilege at its Finest

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Glad you understand.

Of course I know it exists. I see it all day every day. I can't really say that I understand, I haven't been on the other side of the coin. I lucked out.

It kills me that anyone would deny it or minimize it even.

I said after the post you quoted that I don't really wanna know what it has been like for black people as far as feeling it first hand. I know sticking my hand in a running blender would suck, don't need proof.

 

[Denny Crane]

The OJ case was one of jury nullification.

The jury returned not guilty because the system is rigged, not because they thought OJ was innocent. The jury returned the verdict it did as a protest of the law and the cops and the results of the rigged system.

The glove and other things only proved the prosecution was incompetent.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

One of my favorite Chappelle skits of all-time.... the pretty white female singer.

"OJ didn't do it."

"On second thought, yeah he did."

 

[e_blazer]

The criminal justice system is a mess, there's no doubt about that. If you want to see a stat that will blow your mind on rape "justice", check this out:

https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

As far as this case goes, I'd say it's more a case of judicial incompetence than anything else. The judge's "logic" in imposing the sentence makes absolutely no sense from what little I've read about the case. I don't know anything about the judge, but if this is an example of his work, he doesn't belong on the bench.

Does this case say anything larger than that about the judicial system? I think it's undeniable that people with the means to hire good attorneys get off or get lighter sentences than those who are forced to use the lower end of the legal system. That sucks, but I don't know what to do about it. I don't buy cherry-picking and comparing cases and then saying this is a case of white privilege. It wouldn't be hard to find ample cases where white rapists are serving long terms. That said, I don't doubt that black people tend to get longer sentences than whites overall. I haven't seen any statistics on that, but I think that's the case. How much of that is due to skin color vs. differences in means to hire good attorneys is tough to say.

I hate the term "white privilege". I hate it, not because blacks don't have a demonstrable beef with the system, but because I think it's a case of looking at the issue bass-ackwards. In general, when a white person applies for a job, interacts with the judicial system, etc., there's a presumption that race isn't a factor (except for instances where affirmative action is in play). The person gets the job or is dealt with by the system simply based on the facts as to qualifications for the job or evidence as to guilt or innocence. That's the way the system is SUPPOSED to work for everybody. It's called civil rights. Calling it "white privilege" to me infers that it's some unwarranted right that shouldn't be permitted or that we should feel guilty about. What I think is that it's totally messed up that the system doesn't work that way for everyone, regardless of skin color. We've made tremendous strides since the days of the civil rights movement, but you'd have to either have you head in the sand or be a total hypocrite to deny that the system is not a level playing field.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

@dviss1 the glove wasn't planted.

Do you have a pair of well fitting leather gloves? Get them wet, put them in the back of the closet for a few months. Now put on a pair of latex gloves and then try to pull the leather gloves over them. You'll get the same result.

Another theory was that OJ was taking arthritis medication that made his hands swell up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

ANOTHER THEORY IS HIS HANDS ARE TOO BIG FOR THOSE GLOVES, SON. KEEP ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH YOUR THEORIES YOU RACIST CRACKAZ

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If OJ were Asian, you know the glove wouldn't fit then, either - the "glove" would be waaaaayyyyyyy too big.

 

[e_blazer]

You know that those small gloves would fit Donald Trump without any problem.

Just sayin'.

 

[Denny Crane]

The criminal justice system is a mess, there's no doubt about that. If you want to see a stat that will blow your mind on rape "justice", check this out:

https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

As far as this case goes, I'd say it's more a case of judicial incompetence than anything else. The judge's "logic" in imposing the sentence makes absolutely no sense from what little I've read about the case. I don't know anything about the judge, but if this is an example of his work, he doesn't belong on the bench.

Does this case say anything larger than that about the judicial system? I think it's undeniable that people with the means to hire good attorneys get off or get lighter sentences than those who are forced to use the lower end of the legal system. That sucks, but I don't know what to do about it. I don't buy cherry-picking and comparing cases and then saying this is a case of white privilege. It wouldn't be hard to find ample cases where white rapists are serving long terms. That said, I don't doubt that black people tend to get longer sentences than whites overall. I haven't seen any statistics on that, but I think that's the case. How much of that is due to skin color vs. differences in means to hire good attorneys is tough to say.

I hate the term "white privilege". I hate it, not because blacks don't have a demonstrable beef with the system, but because I think it's a case of looking at the issue bass-ackwards. In general, when a white person applies for a job, interacts with the judicial system, etc., there's a presumption that race isn't a factor (except for instances where affirmative action is in play). The person gets the job or is dealt with by the system simply based on the facts as to qualifications for the job or evidence as to guilt or innocence. That's the way the system is SUPPOSED to work for everybody. It's called civil rights. Calling it "white privilege" to me infers that it's some unwarranted right that shouldn't be permitted or that we should feel guilty about. What I think is that it's totally messed up that the system doesn't work that way for everyone, regardless of skin color. We've made tremendous strides since the days of the civil rights movement, but you'd have to either have you head in the sand or be a total hypocrite to deny that the system is not a level playing field.

White privilege is about a lot more than obvious injustices. There has to be a term to describe it.

Consider a family owns a home for generations. That home was built by slaves. That family benefited from the slave labor for generations. This is something that generations of blacks, especially former slaves, cannot say. The slaves and descendants have not been made whole for that sort of injustice.

Or consider how blacks were routinely denied the vote. Those elected put the screws to blacks with Jim Crow laws. For decades, those laws affected blacks' abilities to succeed.

Or consider how blacks were put into "separate but equal" schools, affecting the quality of education of generations of black children (now adults).

&c

 

[e_blazer]

White privilege is about a lot more than obvious injustices. There has to be a term to describe it.

Consider a family owns a home for generations. That home was built by slaves. That family benefited from the slave labor for generations. This is something that generations of blacks, especially former slaves, cannot say. The slaves and descendants have not been made whole for that sort of injustice.

Or consider how blacks were routinely denied the vote. Those elected put the screws to blacks with Jim Crow laws. For decades, those laws affected blacks' abilities to succeed.

Or consider how blacks were put into "separate but equal" schools, affecting the quality of education of generations of black children (now adults).

&c

Historical injustices are everywhere. Jews, Native Americans, people of Japanese descent who were interred in WWII...the list is endless. I'm a here and now kind of guy. People can talk about paying reparations for historical injustices, but I doubt anything's going to come of it. We're trillions of dollars in debt as it is. What can we do to make things more equal today? That's the only question that interests me.

 

[Spud147]

Any DNA?

Why no rape charges then?

The assault was violent enough to make two other grown men think they needed to rescue the rape victim and were so upset about what they saw that one even cried while giving his statement to the police. As far as we know, they were both stone cold sober. This is not just fun between college students... Turner left injuries, it was a brutal physical attack.

And just because it goes on all the time doesn't mean it is okay... that's the point of this whole thread... IT'S NOT OKAY. How would you, as a man, feel if you had to worry about being assaulted like this every time you wanted to go to a party or go to a bar for a couple drinks?!?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Nobody ever talks about the glove as far as this. I have big fat hands and have jammed them in gloves too small when it snowed because I HAD to go out and play in the snow.

If you HAD to kill someone you'd be motivated to get them on.

If you put a gun to his head in court, he would have got them on I bet.

 

[Denny Crane]

Historical injustices are everywhere. Jews, Native Americans, people of Japanese descent who were interred in WWII...the list is endless. I'm a here and now kind of guy. People can talk about paying reparations for historical injustices, but I doubt anything's going to come of it. We're trillions of dollars in debt as it is. What can we do to make things more equal today? That's the only question that interests me.

I was presenting my view of why "white privilege" is real and matters...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The assault was violent enough to make two other grown men think they needed to rescue the rape victim and were so upset about what they saw that one even cried while giving his statement to the police. As far as we know, they were both stone cold sober. This is not just fun between college students... Turner left injuries, it was a brutal physical attack.

And just because it goes on all the time doesn't mean it is okay... that's the point of this whole thread... IT'S NOT OKAY. How would you, as a man, feel if you had to worry about being assaulted like this every time you wanted to go to a party or go to a bar for a couple drinks?!?

Rape is not defined on what two passers-by thinks is happening or how much someone cries when talking to police. Again, this is not a rape victim. She was fingered after they started hooking up at a frat party behind a dumpster.

What injuries? Scratches? Perhaps blood on the elbows? You mean things consistent with falling over when you're 3x the legal limit for intoxication. When you're that wasted you're going to have random injuries.

This isn't a "couple of drinks", she got blackout drunk and hooked up, which is what a lot of people do at these parties. They left to go fuck but couldn't wait so he finger blasted her behind a dumpster.

 

[Denny Crane]

The assault was violent enough to make two other grown men think they needed to rescue the rape victim and were so upset about what they saw that one even cried while giving his statement to the police. As far as we know, they were both stone cold sober. This is not just fun between college students... Turner left injuries, it was a brutal physical attack.

And just because it goes on all the time doesn't mean it is okay... that's the point of this whole thread... IT'S NOT OKAY. How would you, as a man, feel if you had to worry about being assaulted like this every time you wanted to go to a party or go to a bar for a couple drinks?!?

Spot on.

 

[Spud147]

Her white privilege is in the fact that she was listened to and that the case was prosecuted at all. Had she been black, he would have been acquitted, or perhaps not even indicted.

I'm assuming.

Sadly, I would bet money that this would be the case.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What about the Duke LaCrosse trial? Those guys were put on trial BECAUSE they were white frat bros. They manufactured evidence. They threw around the race card. And the accuser was black too.

People hate white bro culture. They fucking despise it.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Rape is not defined on what two passers-by thinks is happening or how much someone cries when talking to police. Again, this is not a rape victim. She was fingered after they started hooking up at a frat party behind a dumpster.

What injuries? Scratches? Perhaps blood on the elbows? You mean things consistent with falling over when you're 3x the legal limit for intoxication. When you're that wasted you're going to have random injuries.

This isn't a "couple of drinks", she got blackout drunk and hooked up, which is what a lot of people do at these parties. They left to go fuck but couldn't wait so he finger blasted her behind a dumpster.

Do you really believe this or are you just trolling? So, in your world, she was 3x the legal limit (could barely walk), and "they couldn't wait" because she was going to black out and then he started "finger blasting" her with her full consent behind a dumpster. Then, after she's unconscious he starts dry humping her. Two passerbys see that he is doing this to an unconscious partially clothed woman behind a dumpster, and he runs because he is scared and thinks well gee this would look real bad. I sincerely hope you never sit on a sexual assault jury.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do you really believe this or are you just trolling? So, in your world, she was 3x the legal limit (could barely walk), and "they couldn't wait" because she was going to black out and then he started "finger blasting" her with her full consent behind a dumpster. Then, after she's unconscious he starts dry humping her. Two passerbys see that he is doing this to an unconscious partially clothed woman behind a dumpster, and he runs because he is scared and thinks well gee this would look real bad. I sincerely hope you never sit on a sexual assault jury.

No trolling. I've been in these situations a bunch of times (parties with drunk people everywhere hooking up) so its pretty easy to see things from Brock Turner's perspective.

He was drunk too, who knows if he knew if she was awake or not. People don't make the best decisions when they are shit-faced. Girls can go from frisky to passed out really quickly as well.

I'd make a better juror than most in this, because they are just judging the merits of this trial on sensationalism and conjecture as well as a hatred for bro culture.

 

[Spud147]

He was drunk too, who knows if he knew if she was awake or not. People don't make the best decisions when they are shit-faced. Girls can go from frisky to passed out really quickly as well.

And it's becoming clear really quickly as well why the ladies aren't knocking down your door.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And it's becoming clear really quickly as well why the ladies aren't knocking down your door.

They hate us cuz they ain't us.
:MARIS61:

 

[Spud147]

They hate us cuz they ain't us.
:MARIS61:

And unfortunately for you (and all other hetero men)... woman are the gate keepers for sex soooooo, convincing women not to hate you is imperative. Good luck with that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And unfortunately for you (and all other hetero men)... woman are the gate keepers for sex soooooo, convincing women not to hate you is imperative. Good luck with that.

I can sell chewing gum in a lockjaw ward, so I'm really not that worried.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How would you, as a man, feel if you had to worry about being assaulted like this every time you wanted to go to a party or go to a bar for a couple drinks?!?

We know what El Prez is really upset about, http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/i-had-sex-with-someone-who-regularly-posts-on-this-forum.301114/

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

And unfortunately for you (and all other hetero men)... woman are the gate keepers for sex soooooo, convincing women not to hate you is imperative. Good luck with that.

Yeah, no, not always.

Ive met women that are way hornier to get down than dudes.

Im getting old, not a 18 year old boy any longer.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah, no, not always.

Ive met women that are way hornier to get down than dudes.

Im getting old, not a 18 year old boy any longer.

Don't worry about getting older. Like fine wine, bro. Like fine wine.

 

[barfo]

Don't worry about getting older. Like fine wine, bro. Like fine wine.

Bottled up and left untouched for years in a cellar?

Sounds about right.

barfo

 

[Spud147]

Yeah, no, not always.

Ive met women that are way hornier to get down than dudes.

Im getting old, not a 18 year old boy any longer.

Oh yes, I can tell from your classy post that you turn down women all the time. But I was talking to El Pres... maybe you could give him some of your mojo.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Oh yes, I can tell from your classy post that you turn down women all the time. But I was talking to El Pres... maybe you could give him some of your mojo.

YES. BEING A NICE GUY IS WHERE ITS AT!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah but you have to really watch yourself around drunk girls. Because even if you didn't really do anything, circumstance can come back to fuck you hard, which is probably what happened here. Plus they can turn on you in a second.