Whiteside can not be traded.

[Serbian]

an absolute monster. He will walk for free next year, but if we can make playoffs with Whiteside and nurkic, and also zach be back in march, i think we be a serious threat to anyone. Just dont see how trading whiteside can benefit us with nurk coming back on minutes restriction. As of now Hassan is best Rim protector in nba

 

[Labinot41]

Maybe we can keep Hassan and Nurk will be the backup center for 15-20 each night. But we have to trade Bazemore for an upgrade at small Forward

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think it might be complicated. I don't think they can play together. Nurkic is probably not very effective unless he is playing with Lillard. Whiteside will feel most involved and motivated if he is starting and playing 30 minutes. Not sure how this would work.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Maybe we can keep Hassan and Nurk will be the backup center for 15-20 each night. But we have to trade Bazemore for an upgrade at small Forward

You mean the same pouty Nurkic that was backing up the Joker in Denver?

 

[craigehlo]

Whiteside is the rare big that actually can cover for the defensive deficiencies of our guards. We haven't seen that since Ratliff or maybe Camby for stretches. I love Nurk, but he's got to come off the bench for the rest of the year.

 

[Cugel]

I don't think they can play together either. Whiteside has earned the starting spot. This is a game of "what have you done for me lately"? Nurk will not be happy coming off the bench if he thinks he is 100% healthy. Starting both of them is nice in theory, especially against a huge line up like LeBron, AD, and Howard etc.

Most likely scenario is that Hassan leaves in the offseason to a team that can pay him since Portland, cannot in my opinion. He will want 20+ a year. So if Baze is gone that is some wiggle room but then who else to sign to solidify PF and the horrible bench. Nurk is cheap at, what, 12 a year?? If both Hassan and Baze move on to greener pastures then Neil has some cash to play with.

But what if Nurk is not the same?? Trade Nurk...?

 

[SIeepwalker]

Maybe we can keep Hassan and Nurk will be the backup center for 15-20 each night.

This will work for the remaining of this season once Nurk comes back, while he plays himself back to his level and shakes off the rust. I don't expect Nurk to demand to be starting as soon as he comes back. Once next season rolls around however, if we want to keep both, Nurk will not be happy with being on the bench, as he should. He is way above back-up big man level (as is Hassan) So we will have to figure out something else.
The most realistic outcome is that Whiteside sign elsewhere this offseason which is kind of a bummer since we get nothing out of it.

Whiteside is the rare big that actually can cover for the defensive deficiencies of our guards. We haven't seen that since Ratliff or maybe Camby for stretches. I love Nurk, but he's got to come off the bench for the rest of the year.

Really ? I thought Nurk was doing that pretty well too

 

[BonesJones]

Uh, he has to be traded....

 

[BonesJones]

This will work for the remaining of this season once Nurk comes back, while he plays himself back to his level and shakes off the rust. I don't expect Nurk to demand to be starting as soon as he comes back. Once next season rolls around however, if we want to keep both, Nurk will not be happy with being on the bench, as he should. He is way above back-up big man level (as is Hassan) So we will have to figure out something else.
The most realistic outcome is that Whiteside sign elsewhere this offseason which is kind of a bummer since we get nothing out of it.



Really ? I thought Nurk was doing that pretty well too

Yup.
We're in trouble with one of them if we keep both.
We're screwed if we get nothing for Whiteside.
Whiteside is a $27M expiring.

Why in the world wouldnt we trade him. Why does OP think we "can't" trade him?

 

[jlprk]

Whiteside has 2 things going for him.

1. He's taller than Nurkic, so he gets more easy rebounds, because neither teammates nor opponents contest them, relinqishing the stat to him.

2. He hangs around near the basket more than Nurkic (see below). This puts him into position to extend his long arm over an opponent dribbling in circles under the hoop, who can't find an opening of sunlight in the overhanging branches to put up a shot.

Both centers arrived here unfocused as to knowing a role, so defaulted to paint protection. Blazer coaches needed a season to expand Nurkic' offensive movement and passing. Given more time, they'll do the same with Whiteside. The current temporary stylistic difference will vanish, as will the advantage in retaining both. Therefore, don't keep both.

 

[wizenheimer]

since Portland traded for Whiteside I've been thinking there was never a plan to trade him for another player because of how that would impact next year's cap & tax situation. At this point, I'd be surprised if Whiteside is traded

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Uh, he has to be traded....

Unfortunately you’re right. I love the idea of Nurk and Whiteside being able to be the centers because that would be a heck of a pairing but it just doesnt make sense.

 

[BonesJones]

since Portland traded for Whiteside I've been thinking there was never a plan to trade him for another player because of how that would impact next year's cap & tax situation. At this point, I'd be surprised if Whiteside is traded

Jody has shown no signs of pinching pennies, and wouldnt have paid an extra $10M+ to bring in Whiteside if she wanted to let him walk for monetary reasons.

 

[wizenheimer]

Jody has shown no signs of pinching pennies, and wouldnt have paid an extra $10M+ to bring in Whiteside if she wanted to let him walk for monetary reasons.

that trade was made nearly 6 months ago, fresh off the Blazers being in the WC finals. The thinking then could easily have been replaced by the realities of the team now, and that risking repeater tax for a team that is miles from being a contender would be foolish.

we'll see if they trade Whiteside or not. As I said, I'd be surprised if they do, and even more surprised if he was traded for a longer contract

 

[blazerfan11]

Whiteside is playing at such a high level that the Blazers have to look at trades to get an impact player that could put the Blazers into the championship contender category. That should include considering a blockbuster trade of many variations, including keeping whiteside and trading nurkic if that gets us what we want.

A target for me is Karl Anthony Towns. He’s not a primary ball handler (like AD) so his impact on a team without a star guard is diminished, but put him together with Damian Lillard and nurkic or whiteside , and I think that’s a very high talent level for the team on both offense and defense.
I’d trade whiteside or nurkic and McCollum to get him or someone like him (age/offense/defense).
A better #2 player than McCollum.

 

[Wade Garrett]

Only his mama loves Jusuf Nurkic more than I do, but dam Whiteside is playing good. Real good. Really really good.
I can't help but wonder if its the "contract year" performance we're seeing, or if this level of intensity and consistency is for real.
I just wish they could keep both, but history and my loyalty to Nurk tells me Whiteside being traded will be for the better in their 2021 championship season.

 

[blazerfan11]

that trade was made nearly 6 months ago, fresh off the Blazers being in the WC finals. The thinking then could easily have been replaced by the realities of the team now, and that risking repeater tax for a team that is miles from being a contender would be foolish.

we'll see if they trade Whiteside or not. As I said, I'd be surprised if they do, and even more surprised if he was traded for a longer contract

Could Whiteside be traded with a lower (but longer term) salary coming back tot the Trail Blazers?

 

[tiredhunter]

There are three optimal, but highly unlikely, scenarios with Whiteside. 1) Nurk comes back in January and is in playing shape by the trade deadline, and Whiteside gets traded for a major rotation player on a 3-4 year contract. 2a) Nurk has a comfortable rehab period backing up Whiteside, and a sign and trade is arranged or 2b) Whiteside starts feeling his age, and signs a reasonable 4 year contract with the expectation of coming off the bench sooner than later (Maybe 21-22 season?).

I don't see any of these happening, so we will have plenty to bitch about. Still, nothing as terribly frustrating as the RLEC, because we got a rental at a position and time of need.

 

[Serbian]

Yup.
We're in trouble with one of them if we keep both.
We're screwed if we get nothing for Whiteside.
Whiteside is a $27M expiring.

Why in the world wouldnt we trade him. Why does OP think we "can't" trade him?

Because Trading him will make you much worse this season and entering playoffs. You are delusional if you think Nurk will be his former self after he comes back. Nurk will come off bench and probably play 15-20 min for rest of year. Trading Whiteside accomplishes nothing for a deep playoff run.
The reason we traded for Whiteside is because we knew we be without a center the whole season, and thats includes Nurk coming back in February healthy but really he be at 50% of conditioning. Bottom line is let this year play out, and hassan walls free, but to think we will get anyone for him that will help us in playoffs this year is a pipe dream

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

One thing to note is Olshey has already said the plan is to go forward with the idea that next years starters are Nurk, Zach, Hood, CJ and Dame. I know a lot can and will happen over the next few months but it sounds as if he knows keeping Hassan is not going to happen and if thats the case it seems a little silly to get nothing for him this summer.

I think Hassan’s been good this year and He’s done what theyve asked but my guess is from those comments they are planning to trade him and baze too more than likely.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I REALLY want to see video from the practice facility when Nurk is healthy and going against Whiteside. I could see that being Must Watch Blazer TV. Two of the better bigs in the league just pounding on each other.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Because Trading him will make you much worse this season and entering playoffs. You are delusional if you think Nurk will be his former self after he comes back. Nurk will come off bench and probably play 15-20 min for rest of year. Trading Whiteside accomplishes nothing for a deep playoff run.

The only reason not to trade Whiteside is if we are competing for the championship this year. Do you think this is a realistic goal this year ? I guess we will reevaluate around the trade deadline but anything short of winning it all and not trading Hassan becomes a mistake

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The only reason not to trade Whiteside is if we are competing for the championship this year. Do you think this is a realistic goal this year ? I guess we will reevaluate around the trade deadline but anything short of winning it all and not trading Hassan becomes a mistake

Unless of course there's no other team actually willing to offer something worthwhile in exchange for him.

 

[wizenheimer]

Unless of course there's no other team actually willing to offer something worthwhile in exchange for him.

defining "worthwhile" might be a chore considering what Whiteside's 'worth' is to Portland:

PER:
Hassan Whiteside 25.6 Damian Lillard 24.5 CJ McCollum 17.3 Skal Labissière 15.5 Carmelo Anthony 13.9

TS%:
Hassan Whiteside .645 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .608 Skal Labissière .588 CJ McCollum .548 Carmelo Anthony .511

FTRate:
Damian Lillard .393 Hassan Whiteside .319 Mario Hezonja .290 Skal Labissière .226 Kent Bazemore .224

rebound rate:
Hassan Whiteside 23.4 Skal Labissière 15.2 Mario Hezonja 13.3 Carmelo Anthony 10.4 Anthony Tolliver 8.9

winshares:
Damian Lillard 4.4 Hassan Whiteside 3.6 CJ McCollum 2.0 Skal Labissière 1.5 Nassir Little 0.4

defensive box plus/minus:
Hassan Whiteside 3.1 Skal Labissière 1.8 Kent Bazemore 0.8 Mario Hezonja 0.0 Nassir Little -0.3

box plus/minus:
Damian Lillard 4.9 Hassan Whiteside 3.5 Skal Labissière 1.6 CJ McCollum 0.2 Kent Bazemore -1.8

winshares/48:
Hassan Whiteside .222 Damian Lillard .205 Skal Labissière .135 Rodney Hood .100 CJ McCollum .090

finding a Whiteside trade that brings in a player better than him seems like a total fantasy. And we've already seen from this current team vs last year's team, that it's a major miscalculation to think the Blazers can dump rebounding and defense for some hypothetical offensive upgrade, and get better. Portland isn't going to be trading Whiteside for Paul George or Pascal Siakam. I think his trade market is going to be fairly unimpressive, and the odds seem really high Portland will get worse after a trade.....at least any trade that seems realistic rather just some wishful thinking

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

defining "worthwhile" might be a chore considering what Whiteside's 'worth' is to Portland:

PER:
Hassan Whiteside 25.6 Damian Lillard 24.5 CJ McCollum 17.3 Skal Labissière 15.5 Carmelo Anthony 13.9

TS%:
Hassan Whiteside .645 Rodney Hood .625 Damian Lillard .608 Skal Labissière .588 CJ McCollum .548 Carmelo Anthony .511

FTRate:
Damian Lillard .393 Hassan Whiteside .319 Mario Hezonja .290 Skal Labissière .226 Kent Bazemore .224

rebound rate:
Hassan Whiteside 23.4 Skal Labissière 15.2 Mario Hezonja 13.3 Carmelo Anthony 10.4 Anthony Tolliver 8.9

winshares:
Damian Lillard 4.4 Hassan Whiteside 3.6 CJ McCollum 2.0 Skal Labissière 1.5 Nassir Little 0.4

defensive box plus/minus:
Hassan Whiteside 3.1 Skal Labissière 1.8 Kent Bazemore 0.8 Mario Hezonja 0.0 Nassir Little -0.3

box plus/minus:
Damian Lillard 4.9 Hassan Whiteside 3.5 Skal Labissière 1.6 CJ McCollum 0.2 Kent Bazemore -1.8

winshares/48:
Hassan Whiteside .222 Damian Lillard .205 Skal Labissière .135 Rodney Hood .100 CJ McCollum .090

finding a Whiteside trade that brings in a player better than him seems like a total fantasy. And we've already seen from this current team vs last year's team, that it's a major miscalculation to think the Blazers can dump rebounding and defense for some hypothetical offensive upgrade, and get better. Portland isn't going to be trading Whiteside for Paul George or Pascal Siakam. I think his trade market is going to be fairly unimpressive, and the odds seem really high Portland will get worse after a trade.....at least any trade that seems realistic rather just some wishful thinking

They have to trade whiteside because theres basically no way to keep him, he’s an expiring deal and dont have money to pay him in the free market. It has absolutely nothing to do with his current “worth” to the team.

More than likely they’re looking for a star on a team who wants to start over thats where Blake and Klove come up, or they’ll just be looking to use him to add some depth.

 

[kjironman1]

You have to trade him. You are going to lose him guaranteed because you cannot pay him.
Now think about that.
You absolutely must trade him!

 

[Dougnsalem]

.....More than likely they’re looking for a star on a team who wants to start over thats where Blake and Klove come up, or they’ll just be looking to use him to add some depth.

You need to get banning abilities. Then you can ban yourself for uttering those two names.....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You need to get banning abilities. Then you can ban yourself for uttering those two names.....

I banish me!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I banish me!

Crap nothing happened.

 

[BigGameDamian]

They have to trade whiteside because theres basically no way to keep him, he’s an expiring deal and dont have money to pay him in the free market. It has absolutely nothing to do with his current “worth” to the team.

More than likely they’re looking for a star on a team who wants to start over thats where Blake and Klove come up, or they’ll just be looking to use him to add some depth.

I thought that wouldn't happen because it's not what the fans want?