Whiteside is #7 in the NBA in PER

[KingSpeed]

Exactly how good is Whiteside? If we were winning, he would be considered an MVP candidate right now. His numbers certainly support a case for an All Star spot. If he keeps these numbers up over the next month and we climb back over .500 before Nurk gets back, I would think it's a given. If we can trade Baze for Love, flip a young player for Iggy, and keep Whiteside, we'd be in good shape. Who cares who starts? Give Whiteside and Nurk 24 minutes each.

 

[wizenheimer]

Whiteside has been a lot better than his detractors have claimed. He has flaws, and his style sometimes makes it look like he's not engaged, but for the most part I don't think that's the case. He leads the team in PER, TS%, all rebounding metrics, winshares/48, Defensive Winshares, & Defensive BPM; and he's 2nd on the team in Offensive Winshares, Offensive BPM, BPM, and Value Over Replacement. He's at career highs in PER, TS%, Offensive BPM, & BPM. And he's Portland's only real rim protector and interior defensive presence. His rebounding is down a little but he's had to be a man alone on the glass, and his teammates are lousy at blocking out.

he's easily been Portland's 2nd best player and Portland looked like shit in the 3 games he missed

on the other hand, I just can't see Portland re-signing him unless he accepts less than 10M/year to be a backup, and even then, the Blazers probably can't afford him (or unless Nurkic has issues coming back). Still, I'd question if Jody Allen would be willing the tax exposure of bringing Whiteside back, but that also means trading him for a longer contract may not be in the plans either. I wouldn't be surprised if Whiteside remains a Blazer all season then walks this summer. Portland may value his expiring contract more than they would any trading alternative

 

[hoopsjock]

Exactly how good is Whiteside? If we were winning, he would be considered an MVP candidate right now. His numbers certainly support a case for an All Star spot. If he keeps these numbers up over the next month and we climb back over .500 before Nurk gets back, I would think it's a given. If we can trade Baze for Love, flip a young player for Iggy, and keep Whiteside, we'd be in good shape. Who cares who starts? Give Whiteside and Nurk 24 minutes each.

It's basically impossible to get Iggy and Love without giving up both Whiteside and Bazemore unless you're suggesting to trade Nurkic, which would be dumb.

 

[BigGameDamian]

It's basically impossible to get Iggy and Love without giving up both Whiteside and Bazemore unless you're suggesting to trade Nurkic, which would be dumb.

Expect the unexpected.

 

[Blazers1977]

• Lillard: watches as his opponent goes around a screen
• Whiteside: contests shot at the rim
• Whiteside’s matchup: gets an offensive rebound bc whiteside had to help on Lillards’s man for 50th time this game
• Blazer fans: “WTF WHITESIDE STOP BEING LAZY!”

 

[julius]

Iguodala is not worth trading a younger player for.

 

[hoopsjock]

Expect the unexpected.

Expect the impossible?

 

[Cugel]

he is hitting that short one armed set shot whatever you want to call it. That is huge going forward.
he embarrassed jokic with his athleticism and stamina. they had a shot at that game had we had a backcourt and or a bench.

 

[B-Roy]

Whiteside has been a lot better than his detractors have claimed. He has flaws, and his style sometimes makes it look like he's not engaged, but for the most part I don't think that's the case. He leads the team in PER, TS%, all rebounding metrics, winshares/48, Defensive Winshares, & Defensive BPM; and he's 2nd on the team in Offensive Winshares, Offensive BPM, BPM, and Value Over Replacement. He's at career highs in PER, TS%, Offensive BPM, & BPM. And he's Portland's only real rim protector and interior defensive presence. His rebounding is down a little but he's had to be a man alone on the glass, and his teammates are lousy at blocking out.

he's easily been Portland's 2nd best player and Portland looked like shit in the 3 games he missed

on the other hand, I just can't see Portland re-signing him unless he accepts less than 10M/year to be a backup, and even then, the Blazers probably can't afford him (or unless Nurkic has issues coming back). Still, I'd question if Jody Allen would be willing the tax exposure of bringing Whiteside back, but that also means trading him for a longer contract may not be in the plans either. I wouldn't be surprised if Whiteside remains a Blazer all season then walks this summer. Portland may value his expiring contract more than they would any trading alternative

I’ve been a vocal proponent of Whiteside since he’s come back from injury. It’s also worth noting that he challenges the third most shots in the league. He’s about average or above average in terms of %.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/

 

[BigGameDamian]

Iguodala is not worth trading a younger player for.

When your team's on the brink of being a real championship contender, He just might be.

 

[julius]

When your team's on the brink of being a real championship contender, He just might be.

Since Portland isn't, he isn't.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Iguodala is not worth trading a younger player for.

Betcha weren't saying that when we had ET.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I just wish Whiteside didn't move like he was underwater.

 

[julius]

Betcha weren't saying that when we had ET.

ET isn't a young player. I would've gladly traded him for Iguodala.

 

[jlprk]

Whiteside has been a lot better than his detractors have claimed. He has flaws, and his style sometimes makes it look like he's not engaged, but for the most part I don't think that's the case. He leads the team in PER, TS%, all rebounding metrics, winshares/48, Defensive Winshares, & Defensive BPM; and he's 2nd on the team in Offensive Winshares, Offensive BPM, BPM, and Value Over Replacement. He's at career highs in PER, TS%, Offensive BPM, & BPM. And he's Portland's only real rim protector and interior defensive presence. His rebounding is down a little but he's had to be a man alone on the glass, and his teammates are lousy at blocking out.

It’s also worth noting that he challenges the third most shots in the league. He’s about average or above average in terms of %.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/

He had good stats per minute in Miami too, but Heat fans called them empty stats. Now that he's here, they jumped up in the standings and we jumped down.

It took a year for Blazer assistant coaches to make Nurkic the star of our team. They would vastly improve Whiteside too, but they won't have him for 12 months, so it won't happen.

 

[wizenheimer]

He had good stats per minute in Miami too, but Heat fans called them empty stats. Now that he's here, they jumped up in the standings and we jumped down.

that's a real loopy correlation to make

* Miami added Jimmy Butler and he's playing MVP level ball

* moving Whiteside opened the C role up for Abedayo, who has responded by increasing his production 6 points, 3.3 reb, and 2.4 assists. This was like when Portland moved Randolph to make way for Aldridge, or Denver moved Nurkic to make way for Jokic. It does not mean the players moved sucked or that they had "hollow" stats.

* Miami added two great rookies in Nunn and Herro who are combining to average 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists...think about that

* Duncan Robinson has gone from 3.3 pts to 11.6 pts and he's doing so while shooting 63% on two's & 44% on three's while sporting a .668 TS%

* Meyers and Olynyk are combining for 15 & 9 while shooting 44% on three's and a TS rate around 66%

meanwhile, Portland went from a PF rotation of Aminu/Zach to Tolliver/Hezonja to Melo/Hezonja. They got better offense but worse defense in the Hood for Harkless exchange. They didn't upgrade in the Turner for Bazemore swap; Simons has been worse than Curry. And last season Curry and Meyers combined for 18% of Portland's three's on 45% shooting...all that efficiency is kaput this year.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Expect the impossible?

Sweet! Doncic will be amazing next to Dame and Nurkic next year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Expect the impossible?

Hey, it's not impossible. All we have to do is send out Bazemore, Hood, Collins, Skal, Little, Hezonja and Tolliver. Piece of cake!!

 

[BonesJones]

Exactly how good is Whiteside? If we were winning, he would be considered an MVP candidate right now. His numbers certainly support a case for an All Star spot. If he keeps these numbers up over the next month and we climb back over .500 before Nurk gets back, I would think it's a given. If we can trade Baze for Love, flip a young player for Iggy, and keep Whiteside, we'd be in good shape. Who cares who starts? Give Whiteside and Nurk 24 minutes each.

No, Kingspeed, he would not be considered an MVP candidate if we were winning. Didn't you just say Melo was an MVP candidate last week? Are we talking about the same MVP award?

And if we don't trade Bazemore or Whiteside for Iggy, how do we match his $17M in incoming salary? How does a young player match that? We'd have to send out at least $13,668,148. None of our young players come close to that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No, Kingspeed, he would not be considered an MVP candidate if we were winning. Didn't you just say Melo was an MVP candidate last week? Are we talking about the same MVP award?

And if we don't trade Bazemore or Whiteside for Iggy, how do we match his $17M in incoming salary? How does a young player match that? We'd have to send out at least $13,668,148. None of our young players come close to that.

Seems legit that Whiteside, Dame and Melo are all MVP candidates on our team that's 10-16...

 

[BonesJones]

Hey, it's not impossible. All we have to do is send out Bazemore, Hood, Collins, Skal, Little, Hezonja and Tolliver. Piece of cake!!

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Rodney Hood has a no-trade clause that he's no going to waive, so yeah, that deals impossible.

 

[BonesJones]

Seems legit that Whiteside, Dame and Melo are all MVP candidates on our team that's 10-16...

Can't wait for C.J. to drop a 35-point game and be considered in that as well.

Maybe Bazemore could drop 20 and we could have an entire lineup of MVP candidates.

 

[BonesJones]

that's a real loopy correlation to make

* Miami added Jimmy Butler and he's playing MVP level ball

* moving Whiteside opened the C role up for Abedayo, who has responded by increasing his production 6 points, 3.3 reb, and 2.4 assists. This was like when Portland moved Randolph to make way for Aldridge, or Denver moved Nurkic to make way for Jokic. It does not mean the players moved sucked or that they had "hollow" stats.

* Miami added two great rookies in Nunn and Herro who are combining to average 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists...think about that

* Duncan Robinson has gone from 3.3 pts to 11.6 pts and he's doing so while shooting 63% on two's & 44% on three's while sporting a .668 TS%

* Meyers and Olynyk are combining for 15 & 9 while shooting 44% on three's and a TS rate around 66%

meanwhile, Portland went from a PF rotation of Aminu/Zach to Tolliver/Hezonja to Melo/Hezonja. They got better offense but worse defense in the Hood for Harkless exchange. They didn't upgrade in the Turner for Bazemore swap; Simons has been worse than Curry. And last season Curry and Meyers combined for 18% of Portland's three's on 45% shooting...all that efficiency is kaput this year.

A perfect example of "correlation doesn't equal causation". That might be the most common logical fallacy.

 

[BonesJones]

When your team's on the brink of being a real championship contender, He just might be.

We're not on the brink, though. We're 10-16.

 

[hoopsjock]

Hey, it's not impossible. All we have to do is send out Bazemore, Hood, Collins, Skal, Little, Hezonja and Tolliver. Piece of cake!!

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Actually Hood has veto powers I believe and isn't going to accept that trade. Plus holy luxury tax payment Batman.

 

[BonesJones]

Expect the impossible?

Hahaha

 

[BonesJones]

Actually Hood has veto powers I believe and isn't going to accept that trade. Plus holy luxury tax payment Batman.

I finally beat you to one of these.

 

[BonesJones]

What's sad is the top 5 threads in this forum other than forum games or "Around the NBA" are:
- A thread saying Whiteside would be an MVP candidate if we were winning and suggesting trades that aren't even close to possible under the CBA
- A thread calling out a 20-year old for not playing like a veteran yet
- A thread equaling our leading dropping 26.3ppg and 7.5apg to the play of a "bum"
- A thread saying we should go after Chris Paul....
- A tank thread.

Sigh.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Rodney Hood has a no-trade clause that he's no going to waive, so yeah, that deals impossible.

Actually Hood has veto powers I believe and isn't going to accept that trade. Plus holy luxury tax payment Batman.

Hey, "actually..." guys--don't ruin a good story! And while you're probably right, and I obviously wasn't being serious, it's still not "impossible", which is all I said.

 

[hoopsjock]

What's sad is the top 5 threads in this forum other than forum games or "Around the NBA" are:
- A thread saying Whiteside would be an MVP candidate if we were winning and suggesting trades that aren't even close to possible under the CBA
- A thread calling out a 20-year old for not playing like a veteran yet
- A thread equaling our leading dropping 26.3ppg and 7.5apg to the play of a "bum"
- A thread saying we should go after Chris Paul....
- A tank thread.

Sigh.

Bumping the Chris Paul thread was my fault because I was reading about OKC not being able to find a trade partner for him and it made me think of that thread.