Whither Shaeden?

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Stevenson said:
It's fun to see everyone's excitement about Scoot and Ayton. But somehow, it seems to me, that Shaeden now looks like last year's Christmas toy to many. Not quite as exciting and shiny as the new toys.

But for me personally, I am more excited to see what Shaeden does this year than just about anyone else. He has the potential for greatness.

Can't wait to watch him, even if he's raw.
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? My impression is that people are looking past Anfernee because we're so excited to see how Scoot can elevate Shaedon's game.

I think the board consensus is that Sharpe will be player #1 or #1a when it comes to leading this team back into the playoffs.
 
THE HCP said:
No, what’s interesting is how everybody is overlooking and blowing off the player who will be our Number 1 option and leading scorer this season, Anfernee Simons.
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That's my take. Anfernee will easily be our leading scorer and #1 option this year. However, long term, I'd like to see him more in a Vinnie Johnson role. Anfernee, Scoot, and Shaedon each getting equal minutes in the backcourt (more or less 32 mpg) would be amazing.
 
THE HCP said:
No, what’s interesting is how everybody is overlooking and blowing off the player who will be our Number 1 option and leading scorer this season, Anfernee Simons.
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...blowing off because the powers that be refuse to see him as the ultimate 6th man he is? Blowing off because his defense will never be good enough to make a positive difference? Haven't we all seen enough of a shoot first PG? :dunno:
 
julius said:
To me, the worst case scenario would him becoming timid and looking like he's lost out there. like, Travis Outlaw most of his NBA career lost.
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yea that's fair. I think it'll be a bit of a balance and they'll feel him out.

I agree that you dont want him to feel like he's getting yanked for experimenting.
 
Haakzilla said:
...blowing off because the powers that be refuse to see him as the ultimate 6th man he is? Blowing off because his defense will never be good enough to make a positive difference? Haven't we all seen enough of a shoot first PG? :dunno:
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Eventually, I see him as a 6th man as well. But this year if he plays next to Scoot or Brogdon then he is simply a shoot-first....... shooting guard.
I know Brogdon can guard SGs and I am guessing Scoot can too. So it could work. He is still the best shooter on the team IMO so we definitely need him to do what he does best.
 
I watched Detroit in their preseason game against Phoenix. They really need a shooter like Simons.

In their last 3 drafts, they've drafted Cade Cunningham (point guard) who shot 31% on threes his rookie season(missed last season), Jaden Ivey (combo guard), who shot 34% on threes his rookie season, and Ausar Thompson (calls himself a point guard) who shot 3-9 , 1-3 3-pointers in his first preseason game about whom people wonder if he can shoot at all.

Detroit looks like they'll be really bad again even having the #1 pick, #5 pick and #5 pick in consecutive drafts.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I watched Detroit in their preseason game against Phoenix. They really need a shooter like Simons.

In their last 3 drafts, they've drafted Cade Cunningham (point guard) who shot 31% on threes his rookie season(missed last season), Jaden Ivey (combo guard), who shot 34% on threes his rookie season, and Ausar Thompson (calls himself a point guard) who shot 3-9 , 1-3 3-pointers in his first preseason game about whom people wonder if he can shoot at all.

Detroit looks like they'll be really bad again even having the #1 pick, #5 pick and #5 pick in consecutive drafts.
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I wish they saw it that way and offered to trade Thompson for Ant. However, I'm pretty sure they're happy with their young guards.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I wish they saw it that way and offered to trade Thompson for Ant. However, I'm pretty sure they're happy with their young guards.
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They are? Good luck with that.
I suppose at some point they'll get an actually superstar in the draft.
 
blazerfan11 said:
They are? Good luck with that.
I suppose at some point they'll get an actually superstar in the draft.
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They may well have a couple of them. I think Cade will impress this year, and that shot may be the only thing Thompson lacks. Those two are going to be a phenomenal pairing.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
They may well have a couple of them. I think Cade will impress this year, and that shot may be the only thing Thompson lacks. Those two are going to be a phenomenal pairing.
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Pistons got some good young players: Cade, Duren, Ivey, Thompson

So as Houston:
Jalen, Jabari, Tari, Amen, Whitmore

They along with OKC ans SAS will be the teams we beat during our upcoming dynasty
 
blazerfan11 said:
I'm worried Sharpe isn't going to be the priority that I think he should be.

Scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton are the ones I want to see guaranteed 30 minutes a night no matter what.

This season should be about developing possible star players.
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I Agree. I know fans get attached but I think out of our big 3 (Ayton, Scoot, Sharpe or Ant) however you put it Sharpe will be the odd man out. I Sharpe is as good as expected he’s going to want his touches and his shots. Not being a third option.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I Agree. I know fans get attached but I think out of our big 3 (Ayton, Scoot, Sharpe or Ant) however you put it Sharpe will be the odd man out. I Sharpe is as good as expected he’s going to want his touches and his shots. Not being a third option.
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I don't see any reason why. If Scoot is the facilitator we think he is, they will all get their shots ......if they are open.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't see any reason why. If Scoot is the facilitator we think he is, they will all get their shots ......if they are open.
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I'm seeing a lot of people expecting Ant and Ayton to get 18-20 shots a game, each (I've seen several people here predict Ant will average 25; at last year's pace, that will require 20 FGA/game). Grant will get 15-16. Scoot probably 10-12. Brogdon probably 10-12. Thybulle 5-6. Williams 5-6

that right there is 83-86 shots and that doesn't include shots for Sharpe or any of the other Blazer. Meanwhile, Portland averaged 85.4 FGA last season. Scoot would have to have magical powers and I'd really expect him to shoot more than 10 times a game; he averaged 14 a game in g-league
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm seeing a lot of people expecting Ant and Ayton to get 18-20 shots a game, each (I've seen several people here predict Ant will average 25; at last year's pace, that will require 20 FGA/game). Grant will get 15-16. Scoot probably 10-12. Brogdon probably 10-12. Thybulle 5-6. Williams 5-6

that right there is 83-86 shots and that doesn't include shots for Sharpe or any of the other Blazer. Meanwhile, Portland averaged 85.4 FGA last season. Scoot would have to have magical powers and I'd really expect him to shoot more than 10 times a game; he averaged 14 a game in g-league
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So what are you saying will happen?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So what are you saying will happen?
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I don't know. I haven't predicted any depth chart, minutes distribution, or shot chart until that post and it was just spit-balling

I've seen plenty of predictions though and when it comes to shots, the math doesn't add up

tell me where I'm off in those shot estimates and I'll consider new numbers on FGA
 
THE HCP said:
Scott and Ant will start together. With the type of guards we have, they’re all interchangeable. I just know he will lead the team in shot attempts and scoring. Good or bad.
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All 3 of the young guards should be able to create space for their own look, but of the 3 Ant has the best combo of handle and shooting ability. Scoot's form on his J is a little wonky as he brings the ball across his face, while SS (at least last year) showed he needs to tighten up his handle. I think it's possible that they keep all 3 guys together for years as they bring a nice blend of skills and size. If so, my guess is Ant eventually becomes the 6th man as he's a bit small guarding wings and Scoot seems a better distributer. I'm hoping Joe finds a good return for Brogdon and the 3 youngins split the 96 backcourt minutes between them.

STOMP
 
Haakzilla said:
...blowing off because the powers that be refuse to see him as the ultimate 6th man he is? Blowing off because his defense will never be good enough to make a positive difference? Haven't we all seen enough of a shoot first PG? :dunno:
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That doesn’t change the fact that he will still lead the team in scoring and take the shot in a tie game at the end.
 
THE HCP said:
That doesn’t change the fact that he will still lead the team in scoring and take the shot in a tie game at the end.
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Ant might be option 1, but Sharpe will take some of those.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know. I haven't predicted any depth chart, minutes distribution, or shot chart until that post and it was just spit-balling

I've seen plenty of predictions though and when it comes to shots, the math doesn't add up

tell me where I'm off in those shot estimates and I'll consider new numbers on FGA
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The tricky part is that I really don’t know what our offense is going to look like so it’s hard to guess what our FGA numbers will be.
 
inconceivable said:
Pistons got some good young players: Cade, Duren, Ivey, Thompson

So as Houston:
Jalen, Jabari, Tari, Amen, Whitmore

They along with OKC ans SAS will be the teams we beat during our upcoming dynasty
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Ausar, Cade.

Amen, Jabari, Eason.

Detroit is in a bad way, IMO.
 
Samuel said:
Ausar, Cade.

Amen, Jabari, Eason.

Detroit is in a bad way, IMO.
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Detroit doesn't have shooters. They're going to be the worst team in the NBA again.

Killian Hayes (PG), Cade (PG), Ivey (Combo), Ausar Thompson (calls himself a PG) are their top picks in the last 4 drafts.

All need the ball and none are good 3-point shooters.

Not sure what their plan was.
 
I've said it for awhile, Rim Shaedy is gonna be the best player on this team and one of the best in the league. He has all the tools, the speed, the quickness, the lateral movement, the vertical and the body control. He has unlimited potential and is the best all-around athlete we've had probably since Drexler.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Detroit doesn't have shooters. They're going to be the worst team in the NBA again.

Killian Hayes (PG), Cade (PG), Ivey (Combo), Ausar Thompson (calls himself a PG) are their top picks in the last 4 drafts.

All need the ball and none are good 3-point shooters.

Not sure what their plan was.
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They went star-hunting and came up mostly empty. Ausar Thompson is going to be insane though.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't see how last year's stats are relevant. This is a much different team.
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I only used one stat from last season...Portland's FGA/game average of 85.4. Now, the Blazers ranked 25th in FGA so that's on the low side. The median was 88.5 and that's only 3 more attempts a game; that really doesn't change the math in any significant way. Utah was 10th in FGA at 89.8 which was only 4.5 more shots a game. In other words, last year is an appropriate gauge for what is realistic in terms of average available FGA/game

now obviously, players get injured and miss games. Trades can happen. Players can be waived and others signed. So going strictly by team FGA vs the sum of players' FGA won't match. Last season, the sum of the rotation players was in the 75-80 range, when I do a quick addition in my head. But again, that still suggests that some of the projections people are making seem way off. If Ant and Ayton average a combined 37 FGA, that would leave 43-47, or so, for Grant-Scoot-Brogdon-Sharpe-Thybulle-Williams and whichever forward climbs to the top of the Walker/Camara/Knox/Murray/Rupert quintet. Seems like a lot of guys to share what may be 50 shots, at most

I'm also thinking people are expecting the Blazers to run a lot more and get up more shots. That may happen but in order for it to do so, the Blazers will have to rebound well...can't run without the ball...and I think rebounding may be a challenge for this year's team
 
PtldPlatypus said:
18-20 FGA/game for Ayton seems pretty high. 15/game would have put him 3rd in the league last year among centers.
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I agree. I was talking in large part about a lot of the projections people are making

that Ant might approach 20 shots a game seems possible if Portland, unwisely IMO, makes him the #1 option and feeds him usage to that effect

I'd think Grant and Ayton will both be in the 15-16 range, +/- a shot or so. If Brogdon has a major role, and he should, then he'll probably get maybe 12 shots a game. Scoot should come lose to matching Brogdon; he'll likely get a larger portion at the rim. That's 50-55 shots for those 4. Sharpe averaged 8 shots a game last year, but in the last 20 games he averaged 12. He shouldn't get less than 12 this season, right? If Ant gets 18-19 shots, the Blazers are at about 80-85 shots a game (about the same as entire team last season), and that's only for 6 players

seems like a real good chance that at least a couple of those players will be getting significantly fewer shots than they want and expect

maybe what I'm getting at is when Dame was on the team, and to a lesser extent, CJ & Nurkic, there was a pecking order in possession usage. And it was pretty easy to justify. It's going to be harder this season because there's no established pecking order and no player clearly better and more deserving of shots than several others
 
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