Who still thinks we "overvalue" our players?

[tlongII]

I certainly don't and I never have. The reason we've stayed competitive in the West despite our plethora of injuries is because of the quality depth we have on this team. As our bench players have gotten more minutes they have proven that most trade suggestion are, in fact, bad ideas.

 

[Nikolokolus]

:raises his hand:

There's some quality depth there, but I'd say half of the guards/wings and forwards on this team are completely replaceable.

 

[Sean.ivity]

I think some players are over valued.. but the others are valued just about right.

 

[LittleAlex]

I think Portland overvalued Blake and Outlaw during the offseason and continue to do so.

The rest of the guys are probably valued just about right.

 

[jlprk]

We overvalue our players. We're winning because of Nate. He's good in this situation. He'll be bad again when we have all our players.

 

[julius]

What fan base (generally speaking) doesn't over value their own players?

Some of us like to think some of us do over-value our players, and some of us like to think we're the only fan base that does it, and some of us think that other fan bases know better.

But I would bet you that most fans (not all) think their players are worth more than other fan bases do.

 

[jlprk]

That's right. The issue shouldn't be whether we fans overvalue them. It should be whether Pritchard does. If he does, we're losing out on trade opportunities due to his talent misappraisals.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I still think a lot of people here overvalue our players

 

[HOWIE]

What Fan doesn"t, but some need to be more realistic on what it would take to get players from other teams. PORTLAND has some nice talent, but for the right price any of them could and should be traded.

 

[MARIS61]

Most Portland fans undervalue our players because they judge them by stat sheets, which mean little when players only get 10-20 minutes a game and keep being played out of position.

In reality, we have a team that when healthy has 10 viable starters.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Most Portland fans undervalue our players because they judge them by stat sheets, which mean little when players only get 10-20 minutes a game and keep being played out of position.

In reality, we have a team that when healthy has 10 viable starters.

I know this is hyperbole, but I just have to respond.

There are 30 NBA team, each with 5 positions. Over the course of the season, at least 40-50 players will get a shot at being "NBA starters" at each position. Being a "viable starter" is about like being the "best neurosurgeon" in Possum-Butt Arkansas (population 1687).

The Blazers have ONE guy who is clearly a top 10 player at his position. The rest of the roster are fungible parts.

 

[hasoos]

Yes we definitly overvalue many of our players. For all the winning we are supposedly doing with this group, we are almost out of the playoff race. Folks around here act like Rudy is a starting quality guard, yet when Roy goes out, we go into a tailspin and people scream for Roy to come back. If Rudy was truly a starting level guard, that wouldn't be the case.

About the only guy who I think who has serious upside who KP is valuing right is Batum.

 

[Pinwheel1]

We probably over value our players. We also over value our opponents players. And we most definitely over estimate other teams coaches.

 

[MickZagger]

Yes we definitly overvalue many of our players. For all the winning we are supposedly doing with this group, we are almost out of the playoff race. Folks around here act like Rudy is a starting quality guard, yet when Roy goes out, we go into a tailspin and people scream for Roy to come back. If Rudy was truly a starting level guard, that wouldn't be the case.

About the only guy who I think who has serious upside who KP is valuing right is Batum.

Were almost out of the playoff race?

 

[oldmangrouch]

If you lose to the Lakers because Kobe goes off for 50...well, it happens.

If you lose to the Lakers because Odom (!) destroys you inside...you ain't that good.

 

[LittleAlex]

Were almost out of the playoff race?

Yeah it's true. See here. Portland is currently in the 8th spot with Houston, Memphis and New Orleans clawing at their heels.


It's going to be a real dog fight for Portland to squeak into the playoffs. I still think they will manage but it isn't going to be a cake walk.

 

[hasoos]

Were almost out of the playoff race?

Sure let's come back at the end of the season and see who is chuckling. .500 ball isn't going to get us in the playoffs, and that is what the Blazers are right now. A .500 team.

 

[Rhal]

Sure let's come back at the end of the season and see who is chuckling. .500 ball isn't going to get us in the playoffs, and that is what the Blazers are right now. A .500 team.

And so is every team that we are fighting with a playoff spot for. Difference is, we are a better then .500 team when roy gets back.

 

[tlongII]

LOL @ people that think we overvalue our players. We're starting an ancient 6-9 dude at center for god's sake!

 

[Nikolokolus]

LOL @ people that ... overvalue our players ...

Will do.

 

[BGrantFan]

:raises his hand:

There's some quality depth there, but I'd say half of the guards/wings and forwards on this team are completely replaceable.

So, does that mean the coach has the team playing above their real value?

 

[The Professional Fan]

I think all of them have a certain level of value. I think at certain times each of them will take our breath away, and at other times each will disappoint. The question is this - who will take our breath away more often than disappoint us?

I'm glad I don't have to make that decision. That shit ain't easy to predict. In fact, it might be flat out impossible.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So, does that mean the coach has the team playing above their real value?

I'll gave Nate some credit here, he gets guys to play hard for him most nights, and in the NBA that will get you a handful of wins you wouldn't otherwise be able to count on (there are a lot of teams in the league that half ass it)

But it also means that when they have their top 10-15 player in the league (Roy) they always have a chance to win and have enough good players (LMA, and Miller primarily) and enough pretty good to OK players to compete most nights. Take Roy out of the equation and this is a .500 or below team (as evidenced by their 7-9 record without him).

The 'Pareto Principle' seems to be pretty hard at work here -- roughly, that 20% of your people are responsible for 80% of your production. In NBA terms stars usually carry you.

Take Miller out of the equation or Aldridge and what's left would be lucky to win 2 games in 10.

 

[BGrantFan]

I'll gave Nate some credit here, he gets guys to play hard for him most nights, and in the NBA that will get you a handful of wins you wouldn't otherwise be able to count on (there are a lot of teams in the league that half ass it)

But it also means that when they have their top 10-15 player in the league (Roy) they always have a chance to win and have enough good players (LMA, and Miller primarily) and enough pretty good to OK players to compete most nights. Take Roy out of the equation and this is a .500 or below team (as evidenced by their 7-9 record without him).

The 'Pareto Principle' seems to be pretty hard at work here -- roughly, that 20% of your people are responsible for 80% of your production. In NBA terms stars usually carry you.

Take Miller out of the equation or Aldridge and what's left would be lucky to win 2 games in 10.

Isn't it fair to say that missing Oden and Przybilla have had an impact on the W/L record w/out Roy? Unless Juwan Howard is a suitable replacement, which I don't think he is. Plus, Miller is basically play SG at this point, considering how many shots he is putting up a game. A line-up of Blake/Miller/Webster/Aldridge/Howard just beat one of the hottest teams in the league on the road. Let's give some credit to the coaching staff for putting together a great game plan in a back-to-back game.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Isn't it fair to say that missing Oden and Przybilla have had an impact on the W/L record w/out Roy? Unless Juwan Howard is a suitable replacement, which I don't think he is. Plus, Miller is basically play SG at this point, considering how many shots he is putting up a game. A line-up of Blake/Miller/Webster/Aldridge/Howard just beat one of the hottest teams in the league on the road. Let's give some credit to the coaching staff for putting together a great game plan in a back-to-back game.

Sure, but this team was sucking balls to start the season, and despite the dropoff in defense, Howard has probably contributed enough offense to almost off-set what Pryzbilla provided (Oden and Brandon were just getting in each other's way).

But anyway I'm not sure what you're on about. What does 'fans overvaluing players' have to do with giving credit to the coaching staff? I already said Nate gets them to play hard. My only point in here is that I believe many of these players are overrated by fans, and that many fans overvalue these players

 

[BGrantFan]

Sure, but this team was sucking balls to start the season, and despite the dropoff in defense, Howard has probably contributed enough offense to almost off-set what Pryzbilla provided (Oden and Brandon were just getting in each other's way).

But anyway I'm not sure what you're on about. What does 'fans overvaluing players' have to do with giving credit to the coaching staff? I already said Nate gets them to play hard. My only point in here is that I believe many of these players are overrated by fans, and that many fans overvalue these players

After lurking here for a while, I'd say that many fans here undervalue the Blazer players and overvalue players on other teams.

So, we disagree.

 

[Tince]

I think most overreact a nightly basis. After wins we under-value our players, but after losses there is a thread saying we over-value them.

 

[andalusian]

After lurking here for a while, I'd say that many fans here undervalue the Blazer players and overvalue players on other teams.

Yeah, this forum used to be a lot more fun - but persistent whining and the "fire Nate", "trade Blake" and "trade Outlaw" brigade took over.

It is what it is. At least some of us still enjoy the team and believe in it's future.

Go Blazers.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I think we "overvalue" Rudy, Webster, and Bayless... and "undervalue" Outlaw and Blake.

 

[jlprk]

I think we "overvalue" Rudy, Webster, and Bayless... and "undervalue" Outlaw and Blake.

In other words, we undervalue experience. The first 3 will become as good as the last 2 if we wait 4 years. But the team will get just as many wins if we give away the first 3 for nothing, and replace them with experienced $800,000 per year journeymen like Juwan Howard.