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The Athletic has Murray-Boyles going to Houston right in front of us and we taking Jakucionis
Kasparas Jakučionis | 6-5 guard | 19 years old | Illinois
Jakučionis is big and can play both on and off the ball, coming off a terrific freshman season in which he averaged 15 points, six rebounds and five assists. His vision is sublime, and he fits the current ecosystem of the NBA well with his dribble, pass and shoot traits. Still, he is a bit polarizing for folks around the league as he doesn’t have a ton of athletic explosiveness, and his defensive game was not always on point this year. His range is seen as somewhere from the middle to the end of the lottery.

The Blazers, in my opinion, have a tremendous frontcourt of the future with Deni Avdija, Toumani Camara and Donovan Clingan. However, there are questions in the backcourt surrounding young players Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson, and they could use another offensive option to start pushing those guys. Jakučionis can play both on and off the ball, giving him the flexibility to play with either of those players.
https://web.archive.org/web/2025051...2/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-mavericks/
 
At 12, the Athletic has a guy going that i haven't heard anything about:
Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona
Bryant didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.

The Bulls desperately need to find answers on the defensive end, especially if they’re going to go all-in on the Josh Giddey and Coby White backcourt this summer when Giddey hits restricted free agency. Bryant would give Giddey a potential transition running mate and would give them a real perimeter defender to attack opposing ballhandlers and wings with.
 
cheesehoff said:
All but a couple guy's in this draft have obvious weaknesses, or they wouldn't fall to our range. For a team that wants to be built around the defense and needs more outside shooters, Queen isn't the guy. For my money, to use a pick this high on a big, he has to be better at defending the paint and rebounding.
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The same was said about Sengun but he adapted and worked on his game and the rest of the roster hides his lack of athleticism and heavy feet. More than any other position, center is where you can offer a completely different look.

Also, Queen's free throw shooting is very good which gives optimism to his ability to shoot the ball long term.

I look at ball creation as a determining factor for upside. Queen has it. So does Murray-Boyles.
 
Here is their take on another guy we have been rumored to pick.
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm
Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He’ll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.

The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he’s made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he’s shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn’t all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you’d expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he’s a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don’t expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
At 12, the Athletic has a guy going that i haven't heard anything about:
Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona
Bryant didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.

The Bulls desperately need to find answers on the defensive end, especially if they’re going to go all-in on the Josh Giddey and Coby White backcourt this summer when Giddey hits restricted free agency. Bryant would give Giddey a potential transition running mate and would give them a real perimeter defender to attack opposing ballhandlers and wings with.
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He's probably a good fit for us but I see his ceiling as much lower than Murray-Boyles.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Here is their take on another guy we have been rumored to pick.
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm
Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He’ll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.

The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he’s made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he’s shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn’t all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you’d expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he’s a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don’t expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
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If he is anything like Salaun I'd stay away. Thankfully I don't think he is. How different I don't know.
 
AmirIcon said:
I like Fleming but he has little to no creation ability. Easier to develop a jumper than creation ability. Also why I like Queen.
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Lendborg is better than Fleming & likely better than Queen.
 
Personally I think if we can get the 16th pick from the Magic for Ant then if he's still their we should draft Jase Richardson to be the shooting and microwave type player we'd be losing in Ant and then draft Fleming to give us even more three point shooting along with defensive and rotational versatility.
 
Currently (and this will definitely change day to day) my favorites at #11:
- Collin Murray-Boyles
** PER: 27.8 (18th best in NCAA)
** BPM: 11.9 (5th best in NCAA)
- Asa Newell
** PER: 26.1 (38th best in NCAA)
** Orat: 131.5
- Jase Richardson
** BPM: 11.6 (9th best in NCAA)
** Orat: 132.0
- Thomas Sorber
** PER: 24.7
** Wingspan: 7' 6"
 

Pick #11:
1a) Kasparas Jakucionis
1b) Noa Essengue

Darkhorse:
• Jase Richardson
• Thomas Sorber

Trade Up Target:
• Kon Knueppel


Pretty stark contrast - either go for defensive prospects or shooters.
 
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I’ll freely admit that you all watch way more basketball than I do if you know how these guys actually play or have seen them for more than a single game.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I’ll freely admit that you all watch way more basketball than I do if you know how these guys actually play or have seen them for more than a single game.
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I’ve read at least 3 mock drafts, and have watched at least 10 minutes of highlight videos. I’d consider myself an expert!
 
42N8Bounce said:
I’ve read at least 3 mock drafts, and have watched at least 10 minutes of highlight videos. I’d consider myself an expert!
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I’m pretty much in the same boat, but kudos to you for making it through 10 minutes of highlights.
 
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Jonathan Givony just said he thinks Queen is an all-star when he gets his body in better shape and he thinks he will.

He also said he's very intrigued with Carter Bryant.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Pick #11:
1a) Kasparas Jakucionis
1b) Noa Essengue

Darkhorse:
• Jase Richardson
• Thomas Sorber

Trade Up Target:
• Kon Knueppel


Pretty stark contrast - either go for defensive prospects or shooters.
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If we get 27 from Orlando, does adding our 11 get us to 6 or 7 to get Kon?

I would add Queen to your list as well as Carter Bryant.
 
AmirIcon said:
If we get 27 from Orlando, does adding our 11 get us to 6 or 7 to get Kon?

I would add Queen to your list as well as Carter Bryant.
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well, in 2017, Portland used 15+20 to move up 5 slots to 10. They then wasted it on Zach Collins, but it was moving up 5 slots

my hunch is that 27 added to 11 probably wouldn't be enough leverage to move up much at all. Just too big a gap between 11 and 27. Might get to 9; might not depending on the team. You're thinking Simons to Orlando so if it was 11+16, that might have enough leverage to move up 3-4 slots; not sure. But I'm inclined to think if Orlando was willing to send a decent 1st it would have happened already. I suppose maybe they wanted to wait and see if they ended up with a lottery pick

I'd definitely do Simons for Anthony + Harris + #16....but I don't like Simons as a player. I'd even do it if it was 27 instead of 16
 
wizenheimer said:
well, in 2017, Portland used 15+20 to move up 5 slots to 10. They then wasted it on Zach Collins, but it was moving up 5 slots

my hunch is that 27 added to 11 probably wouldn't be enough leverage to move up much at all. Just too big a gap between 11 and 27. Might get to 9; might not depending on the team. You're thinking Simons to Orlando so if it was 11+16, that might have enough leverage to move up 3-4 slots; not sure. But I'm inclined to think if Orlando was willing to send a decent 1st it would have happened already. I suppose maybe they wanted to wait and see if they ended up with a lottery pick

I'd definitely do Simons for Anthony + Harris + #16....but I don't like Simons as a player. I'd even do it if it was 27 instead of 16
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I doubt Portland would give 11 AND 16 just to move a few spots but who knows. I think its a little rich considering they didn't flinch to go grab Clingan. There isn't another player I want moved more than Simons so I'm right there with you. I think Black and 16 might be a bit rich but here's hoping.
 
AmirIcon said:
Jonathan Givony just said he thinks Queen is an all-star when he gets his body in better shape and he thinks he will.

He also said he's very intrigued with Carter Bryant.
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Bryant is intriguing, although he fouls a lot and I am a little skeptical of players like Naz Little whose coaches don't play them much.
His measurables are pretty good. height at 6'6 1/2" (barefoot), his weight at 214.8 lbs, his wingspan at 6'11 3/4", and his standing reach at 8'10"
From Ringer:
Archetypal 3-and-D athlete with an ideal NBA frame and a ready-made complementary skill set.

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SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau
The counting stats won’t make a very compelling case for Bryant as a first-round talent. He has one of the lowest usage rates of any player projected to go in the top 30, comparable to those of fellow freshman Khaman Maluach, who started playing basketball only five years ago. But Bryant would pass even the most rudimentary of eye tests: His Vitruvian frame, agility, and explosiveness would stand out in just about any game he’s in. The clincher? He’s only a freshman.

Bryant’s standout trait at this stage is his defensive playmaking. He lifts off the ground quickly and hangs in the air for as long as necessary. His leaping ability, coupled with his quick reaction speed, makes his blocks seem like acts of precognition. He can swat away shots before the apex of the shooter’s jump because he arrives earlier than you’d expect. That mind-body sync grants him complete shot-blocking versatility: He’s equally adept at chase-downs, weakside help, blocking 3-pointers from a standstill, and getting an angle on a shot when defending on the low block. Of course, there’s a thin line between reading a situation more quickly than your opponent and getting caught in a compromising position. Bryant’s foul rate is staggeringly high for his position, more akin to a true center’s numbers than a roving, switchable combo forward’s. Teams will have to weigh their desire for ceiling-raising defensive playmaking against their appetite for foul trouble.

The rest of Bryant’s game is far less volatile. He’s mostly a play finisher on offense, spotting up from 3 or scoring at the rim. The shooting indicators are legitimate: Bryant shot nearly 40 percent from 3 in Big 12 conference play and has shown promise from deep dating back to his high school stats. While flashes of self-creation have been practically nonexistent, Bryant finds ways to impact the offense. He’s a shrewd off-ball mover with a deep understanding of when to cut into daylight; he’s a smart passer, trusted to make the right read when the ball finds him. At this stage in his offensive development, he’s mostly a human fiber supplement (that’s a compliment).

It will be hard for teams to pass up Bryant’s baseline skill set. He offers the full vision of a versatile role player without major compromises in size, shooting ability, or defensive acumen. The lack of meaningful on-ball reps could cap Bryant’s ceiling at the next level, but honest-to-goodness 3-and-D starters are hard to come by. Carter has all the tools to be next in line.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Bryant is intriguing, although he fouls a lot and I am a little skeptical of players like Naz Little whose coaches don't play them much.
His measurables are pretty good. height at 6'6 1/2" (barefoot), his weight at 214.8 lbs, his wingspan at 6'11 3/4", and his standing reach at 8'10"
From Ringer:
Archetypal 3-and-D athlete with an ideal NBA frame and a ready-made complementary skill set.

  • lockdown_defense.png

    Off-Ball Defense
  • athleticism.png

    Athleticism
  • shot_blocking.png

    Shot Blocking
  • NBABadges-Spacer-1697561734415-1705955084923.png

    Spacer
SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau
The counting stats won’t make a very compelling case for Bryant as a first-round talent. He has one of the lowest usage rates of any player projected to go in the top 30, comparable to those of fellow freshman Khaman Maluach, who started playing basketball only five years ago. But Bryant would pass even the most rudimentary of eye tests: His Vitruvian frame, agility, and explosiveness would stand out in just about any game he’s in. The clincher? He’s only a freshman.

Bryant’s standout trait at this stage is his defensive playmaking. He lifts off the ground quickly and hangs in the air for as long as necessary. His leaping ability, coupled with his quick reaction speed, makes his blocks seem like acts of precognition. He can swat away shots before the apex of the shooter’s jump because he arrives earlier than you’d expect. That mind-body sync grants him complete shot-blocking versatility: He’s equally adept at chase-downs, weakside help, blocking 3-pointers from a standstill, and getting an angle on a shot when defending on the low block. Of course, there’s a thin line between reading a situation more quickly than your opponent and getting caught in a compromising position. Bryant’s foul rate is staggeringly high for his position, more akin to a true center’s numbers than a roving, switchable combo forward’s. Teams will have to weigh their desire for ceiling-raising defensive playmaking against their appetite for foul trouble.

The rest of Bryant’s game is far less volatile. He’s mostly a play finisher on offense, spotting up from 3 or scoring at the rim. The shooting indicators are legitimate: Bryant shot nearly 40 percent from 3 in Big 12 conference play and has shown promise from deep dating back to his high school stats. While flashes of self-creation have been practically nonexistent, Bryant finds ways to impact the offense. He’s a shrewd off-ball mover with a deep understanding of when to cut into daylight; he’s a smart passer, trusted to make the right read when the ball finds him. At this stage in his offensive development, he’s mostly a human fiber supplement (that’s a compliment).

It will be hard for teams to pass up Bryant’s baseline skill set. He offers the full vision of a versatile role player without major compromises in size, shooting ability, or defensive acumen. The lack of meaningful on-ball reps could cap Bryant’s ceiling at the next level, but honest-to-goodness 3-and-D starters are hard to come by. Carter has all the tools to be next in line.
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This is why I'm not in favor of drafting him. IMO his ceiling is low with little to no ball creation. I'd be more interested in Coward or Clifford in that type. Coward has very little game tape which might make it that he's a steal.
 
Depending who the Blazers take -- SF .. 3 and D guy or someone like Queen the domino's that fall after that will be interesting

If it's a 3 and D type then Thybulle almost for sure and maybe even Rupert might be on the way out

OR if it's a PF/C type then

We will just not even try and bring back Walker and Reath prolly gets traded for a future 2nd
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Too bad we don't have much of what we'd be willing to give and what the Sixers would want.
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And would we be really sure of getting a better player at 3 than at 11? It seems Flagg and Harper are the most sure picks and after that.....Except maybe Knueppel?
 
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