Who would you trade CJ McCollum for?

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Denny Crane said:
If he's not getting many inside shots, he's getting way fewer fast break layups. That's what I was getting at.

He may stop at the 3pt line, pull up mid range to avoid contact, or pass to someone else.

Or he simply doesn't participate in many fast breaks. Everyone should! ;)
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CJ's transition numbers on the top level are pretty decent at first look ( raw totals) but his PPP and score freq are not good at all, yet is eFG% is up- part of that is his ability to hit the trans 3 as you stated. Really the Blazers don't have anyone that stands out that great in transition- CJ, Dame, and Aminu are all below average for the most part. Crabbe is meh, but probably one of the more reliable guys in the open court.


I was more leaning towards a total breakdown of his shots and isolating half court finishing to open court finishing. But I get what you're talking about.
 
riverman said:
I always thought the shot clock threw off a lot of stats when it comes to shooting percentage, etc...there are plenty of hot potato shots and guys who have the ball a lot, get to chuck up the prayers...this is to me a random, uncertain element that shooting percentages don't really reflect, at least in most stat breakdowns...how many of CJs shots are with 1 second on the clock as opposed to someone who just doesn' t handle the ball under pressure that much
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I can pull this numbers for any shots and any player over the last 3-4 years. Databases are getting bigger by the day, and those are things that I look at to differentiate.

For example, I noted on Twitter the other day how often CJ shoots after holding the ball for more than 6+secs.



Most people kind of "meh" on stuff like that- but when you take it all into account, like the fact that CJ has one of the worst FG% (among qualified players) when a defender is within 2ft, that matters. It explains why CJ has a tight handle, and why he has so many moves to create space- b/c the pressure appears to bother him quite a bit.
 
Given how short CJ has been all his life compared to other basketball players, it's obvious why he has moves to get space between him and his defender.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
He's defended only by the opposing team's best defensive player, because they're not fouling him?
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The reason I asked was because I was wondering about Zebo. He always seems to be near the top of the league with getting his shot blocked. Yet he is relentless and eventually he scores. I am really not trying to make a point here I was just wondering how it effected his stats. Because there are very few better at finishing at the rim.

Really this is all a little premature IMO because CJ is still young when it comes to being the #1 option. (in the NBA.) Which he is when Dame is on the bench. Whenever you are "the guy" who has the ball in his hands when the shot clock is winding down.... your stats will suffer a little. You will incur more forced shots as a result of it. And he probably does get caught in no mans land too often.

All I know is when he drives to the basket in traffic (right or left side) and kisses it off the glass.....it s often a thing of beauty. So regardless of whether or not his percentage at the rim are as good as they should be, "my gut" tells me he will be just fine at it in the near future.
 
Dan Marang said:
I can pull this numbers for any shots and any player over the last 3-4 years. Databases are getting bigger by the day, and those are things that I look at to differentiate.

For example, I noted on Twitter the other day how often CJ shoots after holding the ball for more than 6+secs.



Most people kind of "meh" on stuff like that- but when you take it all into account, like the fact that CJ has one of the worst FG% (among qualified players) when a defender is within 2ft, that matters. It explains why CJ has a tight handle, and why he has so many moves to create space- b/c the pressure appears to bother him quite a bit.
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Better question, why is he holding the ball for 6+ seconds? How does Dame compare?

And holy crap..... Reggie Jackson is a mega chucker.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The reason I asked was because I was wondering about Zebo. He always seems to be near the top of the league with getting his shot blocked. Yet he is relentless and eventually he scores. I am really not trying to make a point here I was just wondering how it effected his stats. Because there are very few better at finishing at the rim.
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In Z-Bo's case (and maybe CJ's too), he was undersized for a power forward (mayyyyyybe 6'9"), and had a small vertical leap, so he'd get blocked a lot. CJ is short for a SG, and not known as a leaper, so he might get his shot blocked a lot because of that too. Z-Bo was mean and tenacious, and got rebounds through guile and cunning and instinctive timing that's probably in an advanced stat somewhere.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Better question, why is he holding the ball for 6+ seconds? How does Dame compare?

And holy crap..... Reggie Jackson is a mega chucker.
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(I assume dribbling = holding in this case) CJ does dominate the ball a lot; he spends a lot of time with Dame as a bailout playmaker when the normal motion offense breaks down, or with the bench where the offense is "confuse the defense with a series of moves, then see if anyone is open" because the bench unit isn't really suited for the same offense as the starters. CJ running Dame's spot alone with the starters showed us he can run that offense just fine; he's just not in a position to do so in the bulk of his minutes.
 
Just listened to Bill Simmons latest podcast. He brought up a three-way trade between the Clippers, Cavs and Blazers. Love to the Clips, CJ (and another undisclosed player) to the Cavs (or the Clips?) and Griffin to the Blazers . . . Gotta say, that'd be A-OK with me.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Just listened to Bill Simmons latest podcast. He brought up a three-way trade between the Clippers, Cavs and Blazers. Love to the Clips, CJ (and another undisclosed player) to the Cavs (or the Clips?) and Griffin to the Blazers . . . Gotta say, that'd be A-OK with me.
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Simmons would never have brought up that trade before Blake punched out some random staffer.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Just listened to Bill Simmons latest podcast. He brought up a three-way trade between the Clippers, Cavs and Blazers. Love to the Clips, CJ (and another undisclosed player) to the Cavs (or the Clips?) and Griffin to the Blazers . . . Gotta say, that'd be A-OK with me.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Love.

1) He hasn't punched a member of the team staff.

2) He doesn't think he's a super duper pooper star. I think he'd be more likely to accept a role here.

3) He would fit in Stotts system seamlessly.

4) He just signed an extension. Griffin will be a free agent after the 2017/2018 season and I HIGHLY doubt he would re-sign here.

5) Love doesn't rely on his athleticism nearly as much as Griffin.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Simmons would never have brought up that trade before Blake punched out some random staffer.
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Not a random staffer, but a personal friend by all accounts. In any case, I don't give a fuck. Lots of friends get into spats and even punch each other. People here just don't like Blake because he's exactly the kind of guy you hate if he's on another team and not yours.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Love.

1) He hasn't punched a member of the team staff.

2) He doesn't think he's a super duper pooper star. I think he'd be more likely to accept a role here.

3) He would fit in Stotts system seamlessly.

4) He just signed an extension. Griffin will be a free agent after the 2017/2018 season and I HIGHLY doubt he would re-sign here.

5) Love doesn't rely on his athleticism nearly as much as Griffin.
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So we're clear I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of this ever happening. But if we are going to get a top ten talent in a trade the guy is going to have issues, otherwise he'd never be available.
 
Nikolokolus said:
So we're clear I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of this ever happening. But if we are going to get a top ten talent in a trade the guy is going to have issues, otherwise he'd never be available.
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So you would put Griffin above Love in terms of overall talent?
 
Nikolokolus said:
Just listened to Bill Simmons latest podcast. He brought up a three-way trade between the Clippers, Cavs and Blazers. Love to the Clips, CJ (and another undisclosed player) to the Cavs (or the Clips?) and Griffin to the Blazers . . . Gotta say, that'd be A-OK with me.
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Ya I'd be aright with such a trade also!
 
Playing devil's advocate........Blake has one more year after this on his current contract......(he will most definitely exercise the player option )

Knowing his personality, what are the odds of him resigning with Portland? I would say slim to none. I see CJ as a long term Blazer. If we traded him, I would want someone for at least 3 years in return.

Talent wise I agree Blake is better.
 
Yeah I don't think Blake would stay here. I think love would be much more likely to stay here (and has mentioned he would like to play for pdx someday)

I'd rather keep cj over either though.

Blake is obviously the most talented, he's just a douche.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Not a random staffer, but a personal friend by all accounts. In any case, I don't give a fuck. Lots of friends get into spats and even punch each other. People here just don't like Blake because he's exactly the kind of guy you hate if he's on another team and not yours.
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All my hate sprouted from the Kia commercials
 
Natebishop3 said:
How much has CP3 helped boost his numbers though? He wouldn't be getting nearly the same number of lobs from Dame.
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I'm sure CP3 helps, but the guy has plenty of native talent of his own. He's a reasonable shooter, he's got a nasty edge (yes, this is a good thing) he rebounds, he can handle the ball a little.

Yeah, I'd take him off their hands even if it was a two year rental.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Playing devil's advocate........Blake has one more year after this on his current contract......(he will most definitely exercise the player option )

Knowing his personality, what are the odds of him resigning with Portland? I would say slim to none. I see CJ as a long term Blazer. If we traded him, I would want someone for at least 3 years in return.

Talent wise I agree Blake is better.
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I agree. Blake is a better overall than Love (IMO). Conversely, I think Love might be a slightly better fit. But the deal breaker is the one year rental of Blake (this year doesn't count) in exchange for CJ. Hell no. I'd rather have CJ indefinitely or three years of Love than one year of that Smug Fuck Griffin.
 
Hmmmm...... weaving together a few different ideas that have been thrown around:

CP3/CJ to Cleveland.

Love/Irving to LAC

Griffin to Portland.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How much has CP3 helped boost his numbers though? He wouldn't be getting nearly the same number of lobs from Dame.
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CP3 is definitely a factor in Blake's game, although he played his best last year (or the year before??) when Cp3 was out for a while. But my question is who would be our coach? Blake Griffin in a Terry Stotts offense? Doesn't seem like a match made in heaven.

Of course changing coaches is easy.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
idk how Griffin would fit in here. Personality and stylistically.
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Exactly. This isn't exactly Hollywood or Times Square. Plus the offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the most out of Griffin. Whereas, Love seems like a Stotts kind of guy. And I know CJ is. Then there is the whining flopping douche factor.

:cheers:
 
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