Who would you trade CJ McCollum for?

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CJ is a very special player, how many players in the league can get you so many buckets out of nothing? why are we forgetting that he is probably the best midrange shooter in the whole NBA or at least one of them? why are we overlooking his much improved passing ability?

I don't see any urgent need to trade CJ right now, but here are the players i would consider:

Centers\Forwards - Blake Griffin,PG,Andre Drummond,Anthony Davis (i'll add Crabbe and Plumlee + 2 first rounders)
Guards - Russel Westbrook,Butler,John Wall (maybe).

Other than that? meh...i'm not taking the risk for guys like Wiggins or Vucevic, watch them shoot bricks or messing up our interior defense.
 
Basically just Anthony Davis, maybe Okafor as mentioned in the other thread.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I would love to get Vucevic but I think ORL values him highly. Can't see it happening with CJ alone for him so not sure you get Oladipo and him for CJ and Plumlee for example.
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Actually, I'm watching Bos vs. Orl right now & they said that only Payton & Mario r untouchable every1 else is available:ygrin: I like Vucevic; him + Oladipo & Gordon would b awesome!
 
Blazinaway said:
CJ for Monroe is a big time overpay by us, he could be had IMO easily without CJ
Vucevic's D is simply really bad and frankly CJ for Vuc is IMO an overpay, would need more coming back.

I'd like a defensive shot blocking C who can guard many positions, so I like CJ for Nerlens Noel
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We can get Vuc & then get a pure defensive effective 5/4 that is ok w/ fewer minutes (i.e. Boban Marjanovic).
 
Dan Marang said:
just an FYI look, but Wiggins is already one of the best defenders in the league. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him on the same kind of growth curve as Kawhi.
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I honestly haven't seen much of Wiggins and when I did, he wasn't impacting the game that much..didn't know he was 20 but does he move the needle? Is he going to get us closer to playoff success than CJ? My answer is, I don't know enough about him, but CJ is a baller right now. I like that he's 6'8 and heard somebody on NBA tv saying he doesn't have a jump shot yet...if it's potential...is he going to be that much better than Harkless given a year or so with the team? Maybe...wasn't he out a lot with injury from the time they drafted him?
 
riverman said:
Vucevic and Oladipo....I'd make that trade in a heartbeat...Vucevic is the main piece of that trade to me
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Not sure Orlando would make this for starters. Besides I love Plumlee's game, and in Stotts' motion offense it's actually nice to have 2 similar guards because that means you have the same threat at two points on the court. Can be hard to guard with 2 elite pick and roll guards, and our big's have continued to improve on the pick and roll as well.

A little over half way through season one and we are already seeing Plumlee run the break and hook up with Meyers. How many other teams in the NBA are capable of running big man to big man fast breaks? I think the only thing Olshey will look to do is look for a big FA signing to make our rotation even deeper.
 
I think CJ for Wiggins is crazy. McCollum is kind of like Harden in the sense that he can't be stopped from getting his, and both are extremely crafty with great moves off the dribble. But CJ isn't out for those bogus antics that Harden is known for. He's also a guy that plays unselfish team ball. He's a great fit for the players system Olshey has built where the goal is to find the open man and nobody on the court is being left standing in the corner while someone runs a play or ISO's. You see more teams trying to build systems like this after seeing how much success the Spurs have had with it for years.
 
The Blazers have multiple mechanism to improve:
1. Lopsided financial trade to help out a team near or over the tax line. Blazers improve or pick up assets without giving up any significant pieces.
2. Free agent signing. Blazers will have enough CAP space to sign a max free agent next summer. Blazers improve without giving up any significant pieces.
3. Stand pat and develop the current players. Players such as Vonleh (20), Harkless (22), Alexander (20), Montero (22), and Connaughton (23) have potential to grow. That course paid high dividends this year with the development of McCollum and Crabbe. The jury is still out on Leonard. Blazers improve without giving up any significant pieces.

The trading of CJ will most likely not result in the Blazers receiving a more talented player. At best it will result in a player of equal talent, but at a position that better balances our team.

I'm not a big fan of trading for 'potential'. We know what we have in CJ. A high character guy that is unselfish and playing at a level just a step below the all-stars - and I don't think he's peaked.

Unless Olshey is presented with a no brainer trade, I'd prefer we not trade CJ and go with the other 3 options noted above. Now if names such as Curry and James come up, I'm listening....
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Just read this (having said Wiggins isn't). What's your evidence? That would change my view (but also make a trade very unlikely - why would the Wolves do that?)

(For what it's worth, Wiggins is ranked 88th out of 90 shooting guards in DRPM. Right below Bojan Bogdanovic. His teammate, the notorious matador Kevin Martin, is 81st.)
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I've said it before- but DRPM is a trash stat. Nothing REALLY quantifies defense that spectacularly - but DRPM and it's closet methodology is laughable at best. It's HEAVILY skewed towards bigs and brings in a lot of different outliers that no one can really confirm where/how the impact is rated. I'm not knocking you for using it, a lot of people do- I just refuse to use data that I can't verify on my own b/c of some proprietary nonsense that ESPN slaps on and packages without peer review.


That being said- Wiggins in the PnR, Iso, and Post, the 3 areas of the game I see an individual effort being measured better than any other- he rates well. In the PnR ball handler he's allowing .78PPP , Westbrook and Lowry- 2 very good PnR defenders are allowing .71PPP. In the post Wiggins is allowing .54PPP - his length, strength and athleticism allow him to really both opps down low- rated one of the best in NBA. In isolation he's allowing .74PPP, less than Aminu and Antetokoumpo- both premier, long armed defenders with a track record of being very good in space.

I don't think the Wolves move Wiggins b/c of the reasons you mentioned- age being a big one. But CJ does present them with the one thing they clearly don't have- someone who can knock down shots all over the court (except inside- which they have in spades). In that way, it starts to make a bit of sense. I think it would take CJ and... some to even get Minnesota to answer the phone, but it's one I think could be beneficial to both in the long run.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I think CJ for Wiggins is crazy. McCollum is kind of like Harden in the sense that he can't be stopped from getting his, and both are extremely crafty with great moves off the dribble. But CJ isn't out for those bogus antics that Harden is known for. He's also a guy that plays unselfish team ball. He's a great fit for the players system Olshey has built where the goal is to find the open man and nobody on the court is being left standing in the corner while someone runs a play or ISO's. You see more teams trying to build systems like this after seeing how much success the Spurs have had with it for years.
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except he can be stopped... funnel him to the rim. I'll give you a glimpse of what I'm looking at now with his numbers:
this is a look at players who have at least 50 FGAs from 10-14' and 100 FGAs from 15-19'- taking a look at his midrange numbers, CJ is CLEARLY a phenomenal midrange shooter- I'm going back and researching who his contemporaries are for comparisons sake... but aside from that... look at how bad he is inside 5 feet. The drop off is absolutely incredible... 44%? League average is just under 60%.... let that sink in for a bit. Being able to hit the 3 as a team is great, but one thing that has really bothered Portland since Roy left is this- they haven't had someone who could get to the rim off the bounce and finish efficiently.

[GALLERY=media, 32]CJ_midrange_qualified31Jan16 by Dan Marang posted Jan 31, 2016 at 5:16 PM[/GALLERY]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE CJ. I'm not actively campaigning to trade him. People tend to take me asking questions as me out here with a sign saying TRADE CJ!?!!? In order for me to be objective I have to critically analyze EVERYTHING. That means I can't sit here and say... oh boy gee wiz?!! OMG CJ IS BEST?! CJ 4 PREZ!!!! I have to take a look at the whole picture and analyze the whole picture, and the whole picture paints CJ as one of the worst finishers in the league coupled with an innate ability to not draw fouls/free throws. So I stand here pretty much like this...


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Good question. I'd have traded him for a 4 years younger Paul Milsap, but at 30, probably not. Maybe Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Karl-Anthony Towns.
 
Vucevic after beating the Celtics tonight..16pts..13boards..7 assists..3 blocks and 0 turnovers..+13per
 
Dan Marang said:
except he can be stopped... funnel him to the rim. I'll give you a glimpse of what I'm looking at now with his numbers:
this is a look at players who have at least 50 FGAs from 10-14' and 100 FGAs from 15-19'- taking a look at his midrange numbers, CJ is CLEARLY a phenomenal midrange shooter- I'm going back and researching who his contemporaries are for comparisons sake... but aside from that... look at how bad he is inside 5 feet. The drop off is absolutely incredible... 44%? League average is just under 60%.... let that sink in for a bit. Being able to hit the 3 as a team is great, but one thing that has really bothered Portland since Roy left is this- they haven't had someone who could get to the rim off the bounce and finish efficiently.

[GALLERY=media, 32]CJ_midrange_qualified31Jan16 by Dan Marang posted Jan 31, 2016 at 5:16 PM[/GALLERY]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE CJ. I'm not actively campaigning to trade him. People tend to take me asking questions as me out here with a sign saying TRADE CJ!?!!? In order for me to be objective I have to critically analyze EVERYTHING. That means I can't sit here and say... oh boy gee wiz?!! OMG CJ IS BEST?! CJ 4 PREZ!!!! I have to take a look at the whole picture and analyze the whole picture, and the whole picture paints CJ as one of the worst finishers in the league coupled with an innate ability to not draw fouls/free throws. So I stand here pretty much like this...


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I see that about finishing at the rim and drawing fouls. Remember though that Lillard used to be terrible at the rim as well. He can improve. And I am not thinking cj for president either. I just haven't personally been impressed with any of the realistic ideas. And trading just for the sake of it is dumb and counterintuitive.
 
Outside of Stars like George and Cousins, I'd think about accepting something like Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger, and Brooklyn's first round pick for CJ.
 
I need a bot that posts "fuck cousins i'd never trade anyone for him." every time someone mentions him here.
 
Ever since the hoop summit I've thought wiggins was another batum. All the talent in the world, but lacking that killer instinct to make him great. He's a role player on a good team.
 
Scalma said:
Ever since the hoop summit I've thought wiggins was another batum. All the talent in the world, but lacking that killer instinct to make him great. He's a role player on a good team.
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I never understood the T-Mac comparison. I always thought of him as a Gerald Green with his head on straight.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I need a bot that posts "fuck cousins i'd never trade anyone for him." every time someone mentions him here.
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He is the only low post player in the NBA that can absolutely dominate anybody offensively. He needs a change of scenery desperately, he was a headcase coming into the NBA and was drafted to the least stable team in the league possibly. Portland would be fantastic for him, it can hide him from the media and he will have stability and a couple locker room leaders in place, he won't have to be the man. He will get to be the #2 man he really is meant to be in today's NBA.
 
I don't want to watch Lillard pound it into Cousins 25 times a night. That's boring-ass basketball. If Cousins was really that good, Sacto would be winning more. Kevin Love put up big numbers on a bad team too, now look at him.

FUCK COUSINS I'D NEVER TRADE ANYONE FOR HIM.
 
I don't think that would be the gameplan at all. We would have a lot of movement, it wouldn't be like Sacramento where Rondo dicks around then drops it into him. Would be a lot more like how Detroit utilized Rasheed.
 
Sinobas said:
Good question. I'd have traded him for a 4 years younger Paul Milsap, but at 30, probably not. Maybe Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Karl-Anthony Towns.
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I don't think u read the entire question/post: "...who would you REALISTICALLY be okay with trading CJ for..."

I like CJ a lot & he's very good but... for Marc Gasol (even CJ for the other Gasol straight up is questionable) or KAT...? KAT's pretty much a lock to b a Hall of Famer, u think CJ will ever b close to even consideration for HOF?o_O
 
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