Who's our fifth starter?

[HailBlazers]

 

[Chris Craig]

Hey, everyone is welcome to their opinion here. If their opinion doesn't match yours, so be it. If someone is of one mind and someone else is of another so be it.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

10 years ago is a completely different era? Whatever

Regardless, my thoughts aren't so much of a hope but what I think will happen. My hope is that management realizes sooner then later that the current mix of players needs a severe tweek if they're going to get anywhere in the vacinity of contending. While they have some talent, unfortunately I don't see it fitting together very well.

STOMP

Yes. Ginobli has not been relevant for a decade. When he mattered coming off the bench was the mid 2000’s. The game has changed much in the last 10 years.

you are right. We aren't even in the same ballpark.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes. Ginobli has not been relevant for a decade. When he mattered coming off the bench was the mid 2000’s. The game has changed much in the last 10 years.

you are right. We aren't even in the same ballpark.

Not to mention that Ginobili is really the exception that proves the rule, and even as said exception, he didn't start coming off the bench until he was 29. His situation was not and has never been comparable to Ant's, so it was silly and lazy to bring him up in the first place.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Also, in his career Grant has ONE season where he (barely) surpassed 5 RPG. When Nurk goes down, there is a very good chance we will be eviscerated on the boards every night.

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Yes, it would be a huge blow if we lose Nurk. But if we are going off of stats, we might only be missing about 2 1/2 boards per game. I mean Eubanks averaged 8.5 for us last year. And with the amount of 3pt shots taken each game, there are a lot of long rebounds that centers don't get to. Hart, Winslow, Payton, and Little are all pretty good at chasing down long rebounds. So even though it would hurt quite a bit, I don't think they will get eviscerated.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes, it would be a huge blow if we lose Nurk. But if we are going off of stats, we might only be missing about 2 1/2 boards per game. I mean Eubanks averaged 8.5 for us last year. And with the amount of 3pt shots taken each game, there are a lot of long rebounds that centers don't get to. Hart, Winslow, Payton, and Little are all pretty good at chasing down long rebounds. So even though it would hurt quite a bit, I don't think they will get eviscerated.

I don't disagree with you.

Still, I think rebounding is going to be an incredibly important thing to pay attention to, especially in the early going. It doesn't matter how good our defense is if we can't finish off those possessions. If we're hoping to significantly improve our defense from the last several seasons, our defensive rebounding will need to keep pace (last year we were 25th in TRB/g, but 16th in TRB%). That burden absolutely cannot be all on Nurk.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't disagree with you.

Still, I think rebounding is going to be an incredibly important thing to pay attention to, especially in the early going. It doesn't matter how good our defense is if we can't finish off those possessions. If we're hoping to significantly improve our defense from the last several seasons, our defensive rebounding will need to keep pace (last year we were 25th in TRB/g, but 16th in TRB%). That burden absolutely cannot be all on Nurk.

Agree and the good thing is we didn't lose any good rebounders from last year's team. I think we can rebound better this year.

 

[HailBlazers]

I think Grant focuses on causing rebounds (making players miss shots) than actually collecting them.

 

[BigGameDamian]

What happened to free throw guy?

 

[julius]

What happened to free throw guy?

he got laid

 

[SlyPokerCat]

he got laid

He was with cuddle girl for awhile.

 

[Propagandist]

Why does this irritate me? Maybe because it likely foreshadows other bad decisions?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Nice.

Still hoping it is Nas. But proves the training camp video was just getting a look at that group.

 

[THE HCP]

he got laid

What a douche nozzle that guy was. He actually walked around at events as if he was an employee.

 

[julius]

What a douche nozzle that guy was. He actually walked around at events as if he was an employee.

The way he carried himself, and actually got interviewed on tv (and iirc, blazers edge did something with him) showed he had a MASSIVELY overinflated sense of how important he was.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why does this irritate me? Maybe because it likely foreshadows other bad decisions?

Didn't he say he was going to give each one a chance to start? How is that a bad decision? Seems like he is letting their play make the decision. Personally, I like that.
And even if I don't like who he chooses to start, I am more interested in who gets the most minutes throughout the game. And then based on who played best during the game, then decide who deserves to finish the game.

 

[Propagandist]

Didn't he say he was going to give each one a chance to start? How is that a bad decision? Seems like he is letting their play make the decision. Personally, I like that. And even if I don't like who he chooses to start, I am more interested in who gets the most minutes throughout the game. And then based on who played best during the game, then decide who deserves to finish the game.

I mean, come on. A chance to start? This isn’t middle school tryouts. If Chauncey doesn’t know who best fits at this point….. Is there really a debate? This is about maximizing our players’ skills, no?

But most of all, can’t we just start preseason like we mean it? The last couple of seasons, preseasons have been pretty predictive.

 

[julius]

I mean, come on. A chance to start? This isn’t middle school tryouts. If Chauncey doesn’t know who best fits at this point….. Is there really a debate? This is about maximizing our players’ skills, no?

But most of all, can’t we just start preseason like we mean it? The last couple of seasons, preseasons have been pretty predictive.

Um, they need to show how they play against the starters of other teams and with the starters?

We're really complaining about this now?

 

[Propagandist]

Um, they need to show how they play against the starters of other teams and with the starters?

We're really complaining about this now?

Unless you are Pop, it's amateurish. And Chauncey is no Pop.

As to your second question: yes, of course. At least the complaint is on-topic, unlike the complaint about the complaint.

 

[blazerfan11]

I assume the game Will Not be blacked out on NBA League Pass for people watching in Portland since there's no local TV .
Is my assumption correct?

 

[julius]

Unless you are Pop, it's amateurish. And Chauncey is no Pop.

As to your second question: yes, of course. At least the complaint is on-topic, unlike the complaint about the complaint.

Ok.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I like Littles youth, Harts experience and consistency on both ends but for some reason I think Winslow would be the best fit. I like his defense, strength, passing, and basketball IQ. Also like the bench with Little, GP and Hart

 

[oldmangrouch]

Why does this irritate me? Maybe because it likely foreshadows other bad decisions?

More like a reflection of questionable decisions already made. Seems to me like a case of the GM constructing the roster to force the coach to follow a particular path. You could make a strong argument that four of our six best players are guards.

 

[Propagandist]

More like a reflection of questionable decisions already made. Seems to me like a case of the GM constructing the roster to force the coach to follow a particular path. You could make a strong argument that four of our six best players are guards.

You've got that right. I love our guys, but watching this game, we look like what we are: small (ESPECIALLY starting Josh Hart at the 3).

 

[Pinwheel1]

I like Littles youth, Harts experience and consistency on both ends but for some reason I think Winslow would be the best fit. I like his defense, strength, passing, and basketball IQ. Also like the bench with Little, GP and Hart

I agree completely. He fits well with the other 4 players IMO. Dame, Ant, and Grant all can shoot from deep and I think Winslow can attack and find an open shooter. We need a little more bulk in the starting unit.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Unless you are Pop, it's amateurish. And Chauncey is no Pop.

As to your second question: yes, of course. At least the complaint is on-topic, unlike the complaint about the complaint.

You dont know that.
pop went 17-47 in year one.
Last five years he went:
47-35
48-34
32-39
33-39
34-48

stars matter in this league more than coaching.
You are overanalyzing bro. Not sure how you think Billups should know how all the new players will play against other starters in the league without giving him a few games to test it?

 

[Propagandist]

You dont know that.
pop went 17-47 in year one.
Last five years he went:
47-35
48-34
32-39
33-39
34-48

stars matter in this league more than coaching.
You are overanalyzing bro. Not sure how you think Billups should know how all the new players will play against other starters in the league without giving him a few games to test it?

I'm overanalyzing but Billups is underanalyzing? I think you've got it backwards.

Josh Hart is the 5th best Blazer and a second unit dreamboat and has always been. Nas isn't, but is a great complementary piece to Dame and the starters (as has already been proven). This is known. You can try out various lineups at any point in a game. This is different; he's fucking with a man's confidence and minimizing both players' potential--more so with Nas.

Also, this coach is a coach because Tyronn Lue gave him a weeklong TEDtalks on coaching. He's shown nothing thus far beyond that players like him and that he implements schemes that don't work... Time will tell, obviously. Stars matter, yes, but coaches hold the keys to unlock their potential.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'm overanalyzing but Billups is underanalyzing? I think you've got it backwards.

Josh Hart is the 5th best Blazer and a second unit dreamboat and has always been. Nas isn't, but is a great complementary piece to Dame and the starters (as has already been proven). This is known. You can try out various lineups at any point in a game. This is different; he's fucking with a man's confidence and minimizing both players' potential--more so with Nas.

Also, this coach is a coach because Tyronn Lue gave him a weeklong TEDtalks on coaching. He's shown nothing thus far beyond that players like him and that he implements schemes that don't work... Time will tell, obviously. Stars matter, yes, but coaches hold the keys to unlock their potential.

Yes. You aRe overanalyzing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Also, this coach is a coach because Tyronn Lue gave him a weeklong TEDtalks on coaching.

This is, I think, the one thing that has given me pause about Chauncey from the get-go--that whole story about how he wasn't really about coaching, and then he hung out with T.Lue for a bit, and now he's suddenly ready to run an NBA team. I'm still optimistic about him--as is my nature--but tons of doubt hangs in the back of my head.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I mean, come on. A chance to start? This isn’t middle school tryouts. If Chauncey doesn’t know who best fits at this point….. Is there really a debate? This is about maximizing our players’ skills, no?

But most of all, can’t we just start preseason like we mean it? The last couple of seasons, preseasons have been pretty predictive.

I do wonder if the "competition" for the starting 3 spot is leading to (or going to lead to) hesitancy from the "competitors". Especially for Nas, who I think would be the most susceptible to getting in his own head with an uncertain role. I could be WAY off on this, but I feel like he just needs to be told: "this is when you will play, this is how much you will play, this is what we want/need from you--now go out and do it".