Who's struggling the most?

[Rastapopoulos]

The obvious candidate is Turner, but Aminu is looking pretty shitty right now. Last night was just painful because he shot the ball every time instead of moving it, and missed badly. But it wasn't just last night - he's shooting BELOW 25% right now on the season.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ed Davis isn't looking great, either.

 

[blue9]

Tuner? Aminu? Stotts? Those are the three most obvious choices. CJ seems to be struggling, but not at the same level as the other three. Plumlee is struggling to stay on the court, but otherwise I like what I've seen from him.

 

[blue9]

Ed Davis isn't looking great, either.

Well, Ed Davis isn't great. He looks a little worse than last season, but he's always been such a limited player that his minor struggles aren't a major issue.

 

[Eastoff]

turner seems to be on the upswing

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Only four games into the season I'd say it was more than a few members of this board who are struggling the most......

 

[Five Second Violation]

Gonna say Davis. His energy and defensive impact just haven't been noticeable yet.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Aminu. Aminu. And Aminu. Poor decision making. Poor shooting. Even his defense isn't at the level I hope he could play. I feel bad everytime he has the ball.

 

[Natebishop3]

The obvious candidate is Turner.

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

His shooting percentage is back up to 43.3% on the season, which is ever-so-slightly higher than his career average of 43.2%. His last two games he shot 5-9 and 5-6 from the field. Just because you want to keep bashing on the guy, doesn't mean that the numbers are there to back you up.

 

[blue9]

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

His shooting percentage is back up to 43.3% on the season, which is ever-so-slightly higher than his career average of 43.2%. His last two games he shot 5-9 and 5-6 from the field. Just because you want to keep bashing on the guy, doesn't mean that the numbers are there to back you up.

It's good to see that some of his shots are starting to go in. Doesn't change the fact that the way he's playing looks like garbage. Regardless of his statistical contributions, watching him play has been downright painful. I don't know if that's just what his game looks like, or if he's still pressing and trying to get use to new teammates and system, but what he's doing doesn't mesh with what the other guys on the floor are doing.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I agree it is only 4 games. Way too early......But if I had to pick one, based on the box score, I would have to go with Aminu.

1-17 from 3 point range in the last 3 games is too many attempts. I believe he only took 3 attempts in game one. That I like a lot more. (2-3)

 

[Natebishop3]

It's good to see that some of his shots are starting to go in. Doesn't change the fact that the way he's playing looks like garbage. Regardless of his statistical contributions, watching him play has been downright painful. I don't know if that's just what his game looks like, or if he's still pressing and trying to get use to new teammates and system, but what he's doing doesn't mesh with what the other guys on the floor are doing.

The entire second unit looks like garbage. Stotts clearly hasn't figured out a way to integrate everyone into the system yet.

Let's take a look at our bench last night.

Meyers Leonard - 10 minutes, 0 points, 0-0 shooting, 2 rebounds, 3 assists.

Ed Davis - 16 minutes, 0 points, 0-4 shooting, 3 rebounds, 1 assist , 1 block.

Noah Vonleh - 12 minutes, 6 points, 2-7 shooting, 1 rebound, 1 steal.

Allen Crabbe - 20 minutes, 2 points, 1-2 shooting, 1 rebound, 1 steal.

Evan Turner - 21 minutes, 14 points, 5-6 shooting, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal.

Napier, Layman, Patty C... they all player garbage time, so I don't even really count them.

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree it is only 4 games. Way too early......But if I had to pick one, based on the box score, I would have to go with Aminu.

1-17 from 3 point range in the last 3 games is too many attempts. I believe he only took 3 attempts in game one. That I like a lot more. (2-3)

The starting unit desperately needs a third scorer. Neil should have addressed this during the offseason and he did not. A trade must be made because we cannot go forward with Harkless/Aminu/Plumlee. I'd like to see Crabbe inserted into the starting lineup. Maybe try Harkless at power forward instead of small forward.

 

[Nikolokolus]

This feels like an incredibly "crowded" team; a bunch of guys whose skillsets overlap too much and are too hard to distinguish from one another (in talent and role).

It's not like Stotts can point to anybody outside of Damian and CJ and say "Aha! This guy has won his job." That's a huge problem.

 

[craigehlo]

This feels like an incredibly "crowded" team; a bunch of guys whose skillsets overlap too much

That's true if you consider missing shots a "skillset." There's a LOT of overlap.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That's true if you consider missing shots a "skillset." There's a LOT of overlap.

I just mean the things they reputedly do well all seems to duplicate. Harkless and Aminu are "clone-ish", CJ and Lillard, Plumlee and Davis. Noah is kind of unique, but he's not assertive or good enough (yet) to be relied on. MyLe has been abysmal coming back. Turner and Crabbe are different, but Turner has been horrid so far. And above all of it, the defense still looks step-slow and out of sync.

 

[Duckhook]

Is Meyers in the doghouse? Recently has his contract extended and I thought he said he had something to prove this year? He's not even getting PT. <shrug>

 

[blue9]

This feels like an incredibly "crowded" team; a bunch of guys whose skillsets overlap too much and are too hard to distinguish from one another (in talent and role).

I think another problem is that none of our role players do an exceptional job at any one thing. When you've got a bunch of guys, who are all limited players, they should at least be really good at one thing.

 

[blue9]

Is Meyers in the doghouse? Recently has his contract extended and I thought he said he had something to prove this year? He's not even getting PT. <shrug>

He wasn't even suppose to be playing until December.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The starting unit desperately needs a third scorer. Neil should have addressed this during the offseason and he did not. A trade must be made because we cannot go forward with Harkless/Aminu/Plumlee. I'd like to see Crabbe inserted into the starting lineup. Maybe try Harkless at power forward instead of small forward.

Again it comes down to matchups, so this lineup might not be ideal against every team, but for the most part I think Crabbe, Plumlee and Harkless could work together.

I also think Crabbe and a bigger PF could work as long as the PF is not matched up against a spread 4. For instance against Utah (Gobert/Favors) I would be fine with a starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Crabbe....and any combination of Davis, Plumlee, and Vonleh Basically 3 smaller shooters in their with 2 active rebounders. Again as long as the other teams PF is not taking him out to the perimeter.

Not sure how Ezeli fits int the equation yet.

 

[Duckhook]

He wasn't even suppose to be playing until December.

Well he's playing now and if he's not 100% then put him on the IR. He looks so lost on the court. I realize he hasn't seen minutes in months but he went through training camp and pre-season and he's out of place on both ends of the court. Luckily he set a good pick to free up Damian in the Denver game to tie things up but that was drawn up. This is what $10 mil a year looks like? Sorry to be tough on the kid but damn...

 

[blue9]

Well he's playing now and if he's not 100% then put him on the IR. He looks so lost on the court. I realize he hasn't seen minutes in months but he went through training camp and pre-season and he's out of place on both ends of the court. Luckily he set a good pick to free up Damian in the Denver game to tie things up but that was drawn up. This is what $10 mil a year looks like? Sorry to be tough on the kid but damn...

I hear ya. I've been a defender of his, but I'm starting to lose my patience. Still, I'm going to wait until he rounds back into shape before I totally write him off. I do think that he'll regain his shooting ability and low-post defense - and if he does he's a relative bargain at $10M. By which I mean tradeable.

 

[Duckhook]

I hear ya. I've been a defender of his, but I'm starting to lose my patience. Still, I'm going to wait until he rounds back into shape before I totally write him off. I do think that he'll regain his shooting ability and low-post defense - and if he does he's a relative bargain at $10M. By which I mean tradeable.

That's a fair assessment. I'm willing to give him time. What little minutes he's received thus far have been head-scratching to me - both in the number of minutes and the productivity when he was in. There's been some big-time regression in his game and it's sad to see... :-(

 

[Boob-No-More]

Again it comes down to matchups, so this lineup might not be ideal against every team, but for the most part I think Crabbe, Plumlee and Harkless could work together.

I also think Crabbe and a bigger PF could work as long as the PF is not matched up against a spread 4. For instance against Utah (Gobert/Favors) I would be fine with a starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Crabbe....and any combination of Davis, Plumlee, and Vonleh Basically 3 smaller shooters in their with 2 active rebounders. Again as long as the other teams PF is not taking him out to the perimeter.

Not sure how Ezeli fits int the equation yet.

I'm not even sure if it's the starting line up that needs to change. It's not like we're getting blown out in the first half. It seems like all our problems happen in the third quarter.

It seems like we're doing OK in the first half, but teams are making adjustments at halftime to shut down Dame and then we end up being on the short end of a 23-2 run in the 3rd quarter.

So, why not keep the same starters, but mix it up at the start of the third. There's no rule that you have to start the same guys in the second half as you did in the first. Get a 3rd reliable scorer on the court so our offense doesn't grind to a halt.

So, put Crabbe out there with Dame and C.J. to start the third. Who plays the 4 in this lineup depends on the match up. If the other team has a big PF like Favors or Griffin, go with a big 4 of our own (Vonleh or Davis). If the other team has a stretch 4, go with Aminu or Harkless.

Right now, 3rd quarters are killing us. That's where the adjustment needs to come.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This feels like an incredibly "crowded" team; a bunch of guys whose skillsets overlap too much and are too hard to distinguish from one another (in talent and role).

It's not like Stotts can point to anybody outside of Damian and CJ and say "Aha! This guy has won his job." That's a huge problem.

I know what you mean, but that COULD be an advantage. A team of LeBrons would be AWESOME. The trouble is, we also have a severe UNDERlap of things like rebounding, shot-blocking and defense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

His shooting percentage is back up to 43.3% on the season, which is ever-so-slightly higher than his career average of 43.2%. His last two games he shot 5-9 and 5-6 from the field. Just because you want to keep bashing on the guy, doesn't mean that the numbers are there to back you up.

But I WANT to keep bashing on him! Who CARES about the facts! I'll focus on irrelevancies like the fact that the team was an incredible team-leading -36 while he was on the floor, which is OBVIOUSLY not his fault - that's how desperate I am to smear him.

I thought you had my back in this! What happened to THIS guy:

18.75 per year....... holy fuck.

This is what it sounds like when doves cry...

Is it? Our reality is fucking Evan Turner. That's our reality. That's who we can get with our cap space.

You guys are bashing Neil.... he tried to get quality guys. They don't want to play here. That is pretty obvious. This is our reality. We apparently live in the NBA wasteland.

 

[Natebishop3]

But I WANT to keep bashing on him! Who CARES about the facts! I'll focus on irrelevancies like the fact that the team was an incredible team-leading -36 while he was on the floor, which is OBVIOUSLY not his fault - that's how desperate I am to smear him.

I thought you had my back in this! What happened to THIS guy:

I like Evan Turner. I have always liked him as a player. That doesn't change the fact that we were hoping to go out and get a home run in free agency, and all we got was a single, or a double at best. None of those posts has anything to do with people being impatient and irrational in their hatred for the guy. It's not his fault that Neil struck out on options A and B.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I like Evan Turner. I have always liked him as a player. That doesn't change the fact that we were hoping to go out and get a home run in free agency, and all we got was a single, or a double at best.

Broken bat single? Neal got the bat sawed off in his hands, but still managed to bloop one over the infield.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Broken bat single? Neal got the bat sawed off in his hands, but still managed to bloop one over the infield.

BNM

All things considered, I think Neil did the best he could with what he had, and I think we're far from the finished product. I think there will be a trade. I don't think we're going to keep all these young assets. I'm hoping he can use some of these pieces to get us a third scorer.

 

[KingSpeed]

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

His shooting percentage is back up to 43.3% on the season, which is ever-so-slightly higher than his career average of 43.2%. His last two games he shot 5-9 and 5-6 from the field. Just because you want to keep bashing on the guy, doesn't mean that the numbers are there to back you up.

Did you see the last game? He came in and we fell apart. What's his plus/minus? It must be awful. The turnovers are maddening.