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Why when people do dumb things is it Gods fault? People make there own decisions. Atheists are quick to jump on this because it says he was a pastor, well guess what he did not Know God.
Anybody can put sheeps clothing on themselves yet they are a wolf. It happens in all sectors of life if you're Christian/atheist etc.
 
BlazersFanatic said:
Why when people do dumb things is it Gods fault? People make there own decisions. Atheists are quick to jump on this because it says he was a pastor, well guess what he did not Know God.
Anybody can put sheeps clothing on themselves yet they are a wolf. It happens in all sectors of life if you're Christian/atheist etc.
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You have a point.

Yet, IMHO, there are people who do/say stupid and prejudiced things out of ignorance. With regard to gays often they have never met an out gay person; these people sometimes change their mind when they realize they are talking about their child, sibling, neighbor, colleague. But those who do/say stupid and prejudiced things and claim it's because of their god are far less likely to change. Because it's not just ignorance, they claim divine justification.
 
crandc said:
You have a point.

Yet, IMHO, there are people who do/say stupid and prejudiced things out of ignorance. With regard to gays often they have never met an out gay person; these people sometimes change their mind when they realize they are talking about their child, sibling, neighbor, colleague. But those who do/say stupid and prejudiced things and claim it's because of their god are far less likely to change. Because it's not just ignorance, they claim divine justification.
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This is true, but I know many churches that accept those that are gay. My church, for example, accepts gay people as their own.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
I have seen how you interact with those that you disagree, one of the several reason that I choose to pay little if any attention to you.
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To be fair, I have also seen how Minstrel interacts with those who disagree, having been one myself. We had a lovely spirited discussion about a week ago. We were both polite and respectful the entire time, even resolving a misunderstood perceived slight. The manner in which Minstrel responds to people is more dependent on the person's attitude than their opinions.

Minstrel said:
I'm not sure where you got the impression that I think I'm perfect. I'm probably not perfect and I accept that.
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I think it's hilarious how you allowed for the (remote) possibility that you might, in fact, be perfect. :devilwink:
 
magnifier661 said:
This is true, but I know many churches that accept those that are gay. My church, for example, accepts gay people as their own.
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Most Christians with whom I've discussed homosexuality attempt to parse the concept by saying that they accept gay people but condemn the act of homosexual sex. Unfortunately, too many do not live in such a manner that reflects that claim.

For example, I have a friend who was hosting a baby shower for her sister. She was conflicted about inviting her cousin and her wife to the shower. We asked her if she would have the same internal conflict about her male cousin and his live-in girlfriend; she admitted that she would not. We pointed out the hypocrisy of her position, and she realized she was wrong.

In my mind, it is reasonable for a Christian to view homosexuality as sinful. It is not reasonable, however, to treat the person differently because they commit a particular sin. The Bible says that we are all sinners, and that whoever breaks one part of the law is guilty of all of it. "Christians" who elevate homosexual sex above other sins are simply wrong.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Most Christians with whom I've discussed homosexuality attempt to parse the concept by saying that they accept gay people but condemn the act of homosexual sex. Unfortunately, too many do not live in such a manner that reflects that claim.

For example, I have a friend who was hosting a baby shower for her sister. She was conflicted about inviting her cousin and her wife to the shower. We asked her if she would have the same internal conflict about her male cousin and his live-in girlfriend; she admitted that she would not. We pointed out the hypocrisy of her position, and she realized she was wrong.

In my mind, it is reasonable for a Christian to view homosexuality as sinful. It is not reasonable, however, to treat the person differently because they commit a particular sin. The Bible says that we are all sinners, and that whoever breaks one part of the law is guilty of all of it. "Christians" who elevate homosexual sex above other sins are simply wrong.
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Amen brother! I have a gay daughter and many gay friends. They are treated with the same level of respect as any other family member or friend. I do not hide that my daughter is gay. I do not make her feel that being gay is wrong. I just tell her how much I love her and how proud I am of her. And I definitely know that I am far from perfect and I cannot pass judgement on any man (even though I slip and do it a lot).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think it's hilarious how you allowed for the (remote) possibility that you might, in fact, be perfect. :devilwink:
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Just playing around. ;) I think one issue is that people take some of my banter much too seriously and mistake it for me being a jerk.

I mean, I might be a jerk, but probably not as often as some people perceive. Certainly not as much as SlyPokerDog.
 
Minstrel said:
Just playing around. ;) I think one issue is that people take some of my banter much too seriously and mistake it for me being a jerk.

I mean, I might be a jerk, but probably not as often as some people perceive. Certainly not as much as SlyPokerDog.
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When you edited my post, I thought you were a slimy mother fucker that should die by the teeth of a million ants, but then I realized you are a chill dude. :cheers:
 
Minstrel said:
I mean, I might be a jerk, but probably not as often as some people perceive. Certainly not as much as SlyPokerDog.
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Way to walk under the high bar there.
 
magnifier661 said:
When you edited my post, I thought you were a slimy mother fucker that should die by the teeth of a million ants, but then I realized you are a chill dude. :cheers:
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If it helps, I was feeling chill when I edited your post.

Doesn't help? That's all I got. :/
 
MarAzul said:
*edited: Ain't nobody gon' ban you, bro*
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Ain't nobody gonna ban you bro... It would take an act of God for Denny to authorize it!

See what I did there?!
 
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Of course I am aware many people of faith, including believing Christians, support equality. I go to Pride in SF and there are contingents after contingents of churches, synagogues, Buddhist temples, and yes gay Muslims. In my local community we hold a small Pride celebration that begins with an interfaith prayer by local clergy.

Rev. Troy Perry said "the lord is my shepherd and he knows I'm gay". Rev. Cecil Williams, a straight veteran of the civil rights movement, tells gay parishioners "God made you gay and God does not make mistakes". The Jewish Renewal movement makes no differentiation between gay and straight people/couples.

Sadly, there are still those who think the more they hate the godlier they are.
 
magnifier661 said:
Ain't nobody gonna ban you bro... It would take an act of God for Denny to authorize it!

See what I did there?!
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Now he just edits my posts out. The little prick has not worked up the fortitude to ban a man.
 
MarAzul said:
Now he just edits my posts out. The little prick has not worked up the fortitude to ban a man.
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If you really demand your right to be suspended for a few days, you can have it. It wasn't lack of fortitude that was staying my hand, just a desire to let you cool down. But you can't keep breaking the rules over and over.
 
How often have we seen this sequence:

1) Poster breaks rule
2) Poster gets called on it
3) Poster attacks mod
4) Mod replies
5) Poster declares martyrdom

Here's my advice: get down off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT!
 
MarAzul said:
Now he just edits my posts out. The little prick has not worked up the fortitude to ban a man.
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Marazul, I honesty read your use of sore as you meaning gash or kunt. She is a sore that does not heal means you're talking about her vajaja. It doesn't heal, it bleeds once a month, it's a sore and it's an insulting way to address a woman.

I do not ever recall Crandc addressing you in such a vile and rude way. Maybe you didn't mean it that way. But you sure didn't mean it as a compliment. You meant to insult her and that's where we have a problem.
 
MarAzul said:
Now he just edits my posts out. The little prick has not worked up the fortitude to ban a man.
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I am quite convinced SlyPokerDog has a big prick.

(sorry, Dog, couldn't resist and I know you won't ban me for that!)
 
Wow, I'm glad I took another break from this place for a few days. People need to grow up. And for the record I don't hate gay people, I have a gay uncle who is "married" and I still love him to death. So that's wrong. I do, however, hate homosexuality, just as I hate murder, lying, stealing etc. Any sins. God loves us all and since we are all sinners that excludes no one, not even gay people, no matter what some heretic southern church may want you to believe. The statement "Hate the sin, love the sinner" isn't perfect, but it is something to keep in mind if you are a Christian or anyone for that matter.
 
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crandc said:
I am quite convinced SlyPokerDog has a big prick.

(sorry, Dog, couldn't resist and I know you won't ban me for that!)
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Ban you?!? I'm adding this to my signature!
 
crandc said:
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Sadly, there are still those who think the more they hate the godlier they are.
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Yes, which is horrible. What gets me is these same people guaranteed have never read the bible for themselves or they base it off of Sodom and Gomorrah (which the city was not destroyed because of Homosexuality but because of Greed, Laziness, and just all about self indulgence and they turned far away from God. The Truth about Sodom and Gomorrah. .

When Jesus walked the earth the ONLY people he called hypocrites and snakes is religious people, which is those who thought they were higher than anyone else and put demands and rules on people that they couldn't even follow themselves which we still see today. Its very sad and Turns a lot of people away from God and most wont even give it a chance because the last time they experienced church etc someone treated them like crap when they are supposed to be "Christian".
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Marazul, I honesty read your use of sore as you meaning gash or kunt. She is a sore that does not heal means you're talking about her vajaja. It doesn't heal, it bleeds once a month, it's a sore and it's an insulting way to address a woman.

I do not ever recall Crandc addressing you in such a vile and rude way. Maybe you didn't mean it that way. But you sure didn't mean it as a compliment. You meant to insult her and that's where we have a problem.
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woah..really? That is how you read that? I took that as someone that constantly picks at the scab to show the wound..or more to the point, can never let an opportunity pass to interject ones personal agenda.
Honest to God, I would have never made that connection. I am sure that someone two decades my senior would not have been thinking in that direction.

Wow, Dog..we have to party sometime, I feel like a babe in the woods....hahaha
 
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DaLincolnJones said:
woah..really? That is how you read that? I took that as someone that constantly picks at the scab to show the wound..or more to the point, can never let an opportunity pass to interject ones personal agenda.
Honest to God, I would have never made that connection. I am sure that someone two decades my senior would not have been thinking in that direction.

Wow, Dog..we have to party sometime, I feel like a babe in the woods....hahaha
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I'm not a well man.
 
You don't hate gay people, you just hate that they are gay.

You don't hate Jewish people, you just hate Judaism.

You don't hate African-Americans, you just hate black skin.

You see how ridiculous that sounds?
Saying you love your gay uncle is meaningless, you can find KKK members who say they "love" a particular Black person while lynching. Shit, Eichmann had Jewish friends.

If I said I don't hate Christians, just Christianity I'd be trolled from here to eternity about my bigotry and hatefulness.
 
crandc said:
You don't hate gay people, you just hate that they are gay.

You don't hate Jewish people, you just hate Judaism.

You don't hate African-Americans, you just hate black skin.

You see how ridiculous that sounds?
Saying you love your gay uncle is meaningless, you can find KKK members who say they "love" a particular Black person while lynching. Shit, Eichmann had Jewish friends.

If I said I don't hate Christians, just Christianity I'd be trolled from here to eternity about my bigotry and hatefulness.
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Like when a woman chimes in at every opportunity on discussion of violence, then proceeds to discuss how woman are raped and mistreated. Got it...
 
oldmangrouch said:
How often have we seen this sequence:

1) Poster breaks rule
2) Poster gets called on it
3) Poster attacks mod
4) Mod replies
5) Poster declares martyrdom

Here's my advice: get down off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and GET OVER IT!
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This post should be required reading.
 
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