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no, its just the "term" marriage is different.

a domestic partnership is exactly the same as marriage, which is for a man and a woman.

We have already concluded that they are not the same. Imagine that the driver's license for everyone named "Eric" was just good in California, and that Erics couldn't drive when they crossed state borders, unlike anyone with any other name. Would you feel happy that you were subject to equal rights as non-Erics?
 
...don't confuse "marriage" with "traditional marriage" as this is not a black and white definition :tsktsk:

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century

1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage

2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities

3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

according to the state of california, you are incorrect.
 
We have already concluded that they are not the same. Imagine that the driver's license for everyone named "Eric" was just good in California, and that Erics couldn't drive when they crossed state borders, unlike anyone with any other name. Would you feel happy that you were subject to equal rights as non-Erics?

Again, will Texas recognize a "gay marriage" recognized in California as being completely valid in Texas? Once again, this has to do with a state's definition of the term, which may not transfer from state to state. Otherwise, since it is legal in Massachucetes, then it would be legal everywhere and there is nothing to worry about. Right?
 
Again, will Texas recognize a "gay marriage" recognized in California as being completely valid in Texas? Once again, this has to do with a state's definition of the term, which may not transfer from state to state.

I believe marriage is one of the things that carries over from state to state. Texas may not allow gay marriage, so a gay couple couldn't get married there, but if a gay couple moves to Texas with a valid marriage from another state, they're entitled to the same rights as any other married couple in Texas. Whereas, since Texas doesn't have "civil unions," having a civil union from California wouldn't give this gay couple any rights in Texas.

Otherwise, since it is legal in Massachucetes, then it would be legal everywhere and there is nothing to worry about. Right?

If gay couples need to first move to Massachusettes before they can get married, and thus gain marriage rights elsewhere in the nation, then your argument that it is "just a term" is gone. Having to move across the nation to secure a marriage is extremely different from a heterosexual couple just having to go to their local Justice of the Peace.
 
I believe marriage is one of the things that carries over from state to state. Texas may not allow gay marriage, so a gay couple couldn't get married there, but if a gay couple moves to Texas with a valid marriage from another state, they're entitled to the same rights as any other married couple in Texas. Whereas, since Texas doesn't have "civil unions," having a civil union from California wouldn't give this gay couple any rights in Texas.

If gay couples need to first move to Massachusettes before they can get married, and thus gain marriage rights elsewhere in the nation, then your argument that it is "just a term" is gone. Having to move across the nation to secure a marriage is extremely different from a heterosexual couple just having to go to their local Justice of the Peace.

How sure are you of this? It would create a logistical nightmare I would imagine from state to state.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Same-sex marriages have been recognized in Massachusetts since November 18, 2003, and in Connecticut since October 10, 2008.[3] Same-sex marriage only has effect at the state level as the U.S. federal government does not recognize same-sex marriages as marriages under federal law, in accordance with the Defense of Marriage Act.

Vermont, California, New Jersey, and New Hampshire have created legal unions that, while not called marriages, are explicitly defined as offering all the rights and responsibilities of marriage under state (though not federal) law to same-sex couples. Maine, Hawaii, the District of Columbia, Oregon and Washington have created legal unions for same-sex couples that offer varying subsets of the rights and responsibilities of marriage under the laws of those jurisdictions.

On May 15, 2008 the Supreme Court of California ruled that excluding same-sex couples from marriage is unconstitutional, effectively creating same-sex marriage in California.[4][5] Citing the 1948 California Supreme Court decision Perez v. Sharp, which reversed the interracial marriage ban, In re Marriage Cases struck down California's 1977 one-man, one-woman marriage law and a similar voter-approved 2000 law (which had passed 61%-39%) in a 4-3 ruling, written by Chief Justice Ronald George). The Advocates for Faith and Freedom and the Alliance Defense Fund, among other things, asked for a stay of the ruling,[6] but the court denied the requests on June 4, 2008.[7][8] In addition, the court clarified that its initial ruling was to take effect at 5:00 p.m. on June 16, 2008.[7]

The court ruling in California gave rise to considerable opposition locally and nationally.[9] Same-sex marriage opponents gathered 1 million signatures to place Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment, on the November ballot to define marriage as between a man and woman.[10]

In addition to California, Florida and Arizona placed constitutional bans on same-sex marriage on the November 2008 ballot, which passed in both states.[11] A measure to place a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage was voted on in Arizona in late June, but did not pass the state Senate.[12] A revote was taken a few weeks later, passing with the minimum number of votes required to place the measure to ban same-sex marriage on the ballot in November, making Arizona the third state to place such a ballot this year.[13]

Some states that legally recognize same-sex relationships also recognize similar relationships contracted in other states, though those relationships are not recognized in states without such legal recognition.

In contrast, twenty-six states have constitutional amendments explicitly barring the recognition of same-sex marriage, confining civil marriage to a legal union between a man and a woman. Forty-three states have statutes restricting marriage to two persons of the opposite sex, including some of those that have created legal recognition for same-sex unions under a name other than "marriage." A small number of states ban any legal recognition of same-sex unions that would be equivalent to civil marriage.[citation needed]

Opponents of same-sex marriage have attempted to prevent individual states from recognizing such unions by amending the United States Constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. In 2006, the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages, was approved by the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee, on a party line vote, and was debated by the full United States Senate, but was ultimately defeated in both houses of Congress.[14]

On August 30, 2007, Iowa Judge Robert Hanson temporarily annulled a law allowing marriage only between men and women before placing a stay the following day on his own ruling.[15] Currently, same-sex couples are suing for the right to marry in Iowa.[16][17]

On October 10, 2008, the Supreme Court of Connecticut ruled that civil unions were discriminatory and the state must allow same-sex marriage under the equal protection clause of its constitution.[18]
 
How sure are you of this?

Quite. The Constitution mandates that states give "full faith and credit" to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. Marriage licenses are part of the act, records and judicial proceedings of each state.
 
the wiki says "some states", not all. so its not universal. if gay marriage is banned in a state, i fail to see how they can recognize it still.
 
the wiki says "some states", not all. so its not universal.

That's referring to civil unions. All states don't have civil unions, so civil unions don't have legal standing in all states. Marriages do.
 
Well, they'll just have to use California's definition of civil unions. There's no difference since they'll have to recognize the "full faith and credit" to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state, even if it doesn't exist in their state.
 
Oops, indeed. I hadn't realized such a bigoted piece of legislature had been passed.

"Thanks," I guess. Truly a wonderful country.

Yep, and Clinton signed it. What a disgrace.
 
no, its just the "term" marriage is different.

a domestic partnership is exactly the same as marriage, which is for a man and a woman.

Well if it's all the same, then why don't we not discriminate, and pass a law that bans straight "marriage" (let the churches grant that title) and only allow civil unions for all?

...no shit that wouldn't pass, because it's not just a word. Words have meaning: connotation and semantic value. The argument that it's just a matter of words is horseshit.
 
Do you think more mormons versus blacks, in California voted "yes on 8"?


I would think that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more black voters than mormon voters in California. But that's just rampant speculation.

Why don't they protest in black neighborhoods if they really want to get their message across? Again, blacks voted 70% in support of Proposition 8.

You didn't get my post. First of all, the statistic states that 70% of blacks who voted did so, not that 70% of blacks voted that way. There is a difference between blacks who voted and blacks in general. See?

Unless you can show me that there are some concrete numbers (not percentages) your claim is silly. Protesting in black neighborhoods is a funny, but silly premise to begin with. :biglaugh:
 
No I didn't. I don't think the term "marriage" should apply to two people of the same sex.


Oh yes you did, because there are churches who will have gay marriages.
 
Come to Compton, South Central, etc etc etc. What do you think would be the end result? Shouldn't they be opening the eyes of the group that they see as bigoted (i.e. blacks)?
maybe they should. But publicly shaming/calling out the funder of a cause such as this is far more direct at addressing who is likely to be the main long term opponent on this issue... religious groups. Obviously addressing/educating the impoverished areas you're speaking of is no small task... not exactly middle america. I haven't looked at the numbers, but I'm guessing there was a larger then usual turnout among African Americans this last election? Cut the funding of this out and politically they're gaining ground on both fronts.

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Oh. oh well, let them. Just don't ask me to recognize it as a marriage.

No offense, but I don't think it matters to anyone what you, personally, recognize as a marriage.

barfo
 
The only way to protect the sanctity of marriage is to outlaw divorce and I think the No on 8 supporters should start such a proposition.
 
No I didn't. I don't think the term "marriage" should apply to two people of the same sex.

Why? How is a committeed relationship between two men be any different than a relationship between a man and a woman? I've been with my partner for 11 years. My straight brother and sister are "married" to their spouses. Why am I not "married"? What's the difference? Being gay isn't a choice. It's who I am. Why should my being gay mean that I have less rights than anyone else?
 
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