Why Black Lives Matter movement is bullshit

[SlyPokerDog]

Like I said, surprising to find it that high.

No worries, the police are working hard to lower it for everyone!

 

[Denny Crane]

Like I said, surprising to find it that high.

The odds should be the same, regardless of race . That's why black lives matter and anything you do to dilute that message is the real bullshit.

 

[e_blazer]

The odds should be the same, regardless of race . That's why black lives matter and anything you do to dilute that message is the real bullshit.

Agreed that the odds should be the same regardless of race. The real questions, and perhaps the bullshit component that Sinobas should have raised, are why aren't they the same and what can be done to make it better? Implicit in the message that the BLM group has been pushing is that it's all on the police; that there's nothing but institutional racism to account for the disparity. While there's no doubt that there's a component of that in play, there's also no doubt that there are multiple other factors as well. Poverty (which is undoubtedly related to race), gang activity, attitudes of minority communities towards police, family structure, and probably multiple other factors I can't even think of are also involved in the increased risk factors associated with these statistics. It's bullshit for affluent whites to think that there isn't an issue here, but it's also bullshit for the BLM folks to think that it's only the police that need to change in order to make things better.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I wonder what the numbers are of your break down for gender too. and species.

 

[MarAzul]

anything you do to dilute that message is the real bullshit.

Sorry Denny, I don't buy it. All this whine about it doesn't accomplish one fucking thing. You bitch about me diminishing the message, what a friggin joke. You could run 10 boards like this
and lament the misfortune day and night and accomplish nothing. I also think you could remove the police from all black neighborhoods and more would die.
There are answers but no one want to hear them, not nearly as entertaining as the whine.

But I suppose when one doesn't think teaching morality is important, religion has no function.
Nothing left to do but whine.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Also, isn't it pretty racist to not include Asian or Latino figures

 

[blue32]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

“The odds that any given black man will shoot and kill a police officer in any given year is slim to none, about one in a million. The odds for any given white man? One in four million,” he said. “The odds that a black man will be shot and killed by a police officer is about 1 in 60,000. For a white man those odds are 1 in 200,000.”

(Look at the unarmed chart and you can see the odds are better for white people and much worse for black people).

What are the violent crime statistics between the races for those same years?

 

[Denny Crane]

What are the violent crime statistics between the races for those same years?

Irrelevant. Cops shouldn't be shooting unarmed black people at a much higher rate than they do white people.

Unarmed.

 

[Sinobas]

Oh really.

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Seems like the odds of being unarmed and shot as a black person are 1:15,000 whereas being unarmed and shot as a white person are 1:150,000.

I'm sure you'll try to explain it away.

You didn't say "unarmed" victims. That is a subset over all the victims. So your statement was blatantly FALSE according to your own data. In point of fact, more white people were killed by police than minorities combined, even though they commit less violent crime overall.

And it's not some random odds, don't give me that bullshit, the majority of time people are shot for acting like thugs and committing crime. A portion of them are totally unnecessary. The difference is that whites don't cry in the street everytime a white thug is killed. Everyone is against excess force and police brutality. But don't try to claim that blacks or minorities are being targeted when less of them are shot while they commit more crime.

 

[MarAzul]

Irrelevant. Cops shouldn't be shooting unarmed black people at a much higher rate than they do white people.

Unarmed.

Well who is suppose to referee this morality?
Sorry guys, you can only shoot white people the rest of this month. But Sarg, they never try to take my weapon. Yeah Sarg, I never had one put the bull rush on me.
Sarg: Well guys, find a peaceful coffee shop to hangout the rest of the month.
What about 911 calls in the hood?
Sarg: You answer the ones you hear. Make sure you don't.

 

[Sinobas]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

“The odds that any given black man will shoot and kill a police officer in any given year is slim to none, about one in a million. The odds for any given white man? One in four million,” he said. “The odds that a black man will be shot and killed by a police officer is about 1 in 60,000. For a white man those odds are 1 in 200,000.”

(Look at the unarmed chart and you can see the odds are better for white people and much worse for black people).

The odds that a black man will commit murder is 8 times higher you doofus. Don't you fucking understand that if you commit violent crime you're more likely to get shot by police?

 

[Denny Crane]

You didn't say "unarmed" victims. That is a subset over all the victims. So your statement was blatantly FALSE according to your own data. In point of fact, more white people were killed by police than minorities combined, even though they commit less violent crime overall.

And it's not some random odds, don't give me that bullshit, the majority of time people are shot for acting like thugs and committing crime. A portion of them are totally unnecessary. The difference is that whites don't cry in the street everytime a white thug is killed. Everyone is against excess force and police brutality. But don't try to claim that blacks or minorities are being targeted when less of them are shot while they commit more crime.

White people committed 2500+ murders last year. Blacks 2200+. Whites are clearly more violent.

Your logic.

 

[Denny Crane]

The odds that a black man will commit murder is 8 times higher you doofus. Don't you fucking understand that if you commit violent crime you're more likely to get shot by police?

Unarmed?

No excuse for a cop shooting anyone unarmed.

If it were accidental, the distribution would be even, but it isn't. That's why your bullshit is bullshit.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well who is suppose to referee this morality?
Sorry guys, you can only shoot white people the rest of this month. But Sarg, they never try to take my weapon. Yeah Sarg, I never had one put the bull rush on me.
Sarg: Well guys, find a peaceful coffee shop to hangout the rest of the month.
What about 911 calls in the hood?
Sarg: You answer the ones you hear. Make sure you don't.

How about not shooting anyone who's unarmed or otherwise not a threat?

 

[MarAzul]

Unarmed?

No excuse for a cop shooting anyone unarmed.

If it were accidental, the distribution would be even, but it isn't. That's why your bullshit is bullshit.

Ah! The perfect volunteer to lead the way. The unarmed Super Denny can tame the biggest bad ass with naught but a stare.
The man to quiet Chicago by a stroll alone.

 

[MarAzul]

How about not shooting anyone who's unarmed or otherwise not a threat?

Fuck that! It's Black Lives that Matter, you know.

 

[Denny Crane]

Cops not doing their jobs. Per 100,000 residents should be equal for both races.

That they're not means the bullshit crime data used against BLM is just that - Bullshit.

 

[Sinobas]

White people committed 2500+ murders last year. Blacks 2200+. Whites are clearly more violent.

Your logic.

Oh brother, I'm getting stupider with every post. You posted a stat on the likelyhood of a black man being shot by police being ~4x higher, which is not at all surprising when you look at it within the context that they commit murder at a rate 8x higher.

Also, it looks like your numbers are taken from 2014 stats which counted hispanic murders in with whites, where as the chart you posted puts hispanics in with minoirities.

500 of those "2500" were hispanic or latino. So white people actually commit less murders in total, even though they vastly outnumber blacks.

 

[MarAzul]

Why is it only Indians arrested for using Peyote?
I could only find one white man way back in 2005 busted on Peyote charges.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh brother, you're getting stupider with every post.

Your logic.

In point of fact, more white people were killed by police than minorities combined, even though they commit less violent crime overall.

You don't like it when I point out that more white people commit crimes.

Your logic.

 

[Denny Crane]

Explain this.

 

[MarAzul]

Explain this.

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That one is really hard to understand since 70% of the population is black and less that 30% white. But the white vote carried this mismanaged place to it's current status.
63% of the black vote, didn't.

 

[Denny Crane]

That one is really hard to understand since 70% of the population is black and less that 30% white. But the white vote carried this mismanaged place to it's current status.
63% of the black vote, didn't.

Shouldn't the cops be stopping the people with the higher contraband hit rate? It's the white people there committing the crimes.

Does it make sense they're arresting more blacks than whites?

 

[MarAzul]

Shouldn't the cops be stopping the people with the higher contraband hit rate? It's the white people there committing the crimes.

Does it make sense they're arresting more blacks than whites?

If the Blacks voted, they could run the place, arrest whom ever they wanted. They didn't.

 

[Sinobas]

Your logic.



You don't like it when I point out that more white people commit crimes.

Your logic.

See my post above, white people commit less murders and violent crime overall than minorities. And looking at sheer totals doesn't even make sense in this context. You have to look at the rate at which they commit crime in proportion to their population. That is why I pointed out that your "probability of a black man being killed vs white" was ridiculous because it ignored the fact that that are involved in crime at a much higher rate.

Even if you ignore population size, and look at the sheer numbers, whites still commit less violent crime and are killed more by police. Whites commit 43% of violent crime overall in our nation, all other races account for 49.3%, while the remainder is "unknown"...unsolved crimes. That is according to Bureau of Justice Statistics 2012-2013.

So if being shot by police should correlate to violent crime, then LESS whites should be shot overall, not more. Do you get it now? Probably not.

 

[Denny Crane]

If the Blacks voted, they could run the place, arrest whom ever they wanted. They didn't.

So because the black population isn't as evil as the white population, they should be punished?

I don't think the black people want many of anyone arrested for no real good reason.

 

[MarAzul]

black people want many of anyone arrested for no real good reason.

Perhaps not, but I hear they suffer this fate more than others.

 

[Denny Crane]

See my post above, white people commit less murders and violent crime overall than minorities. And looking at sheer totals doesn't even make sense in this context. You have to look at the rate at which they commit crime in proportion to their population.

Even if you ignore population size, and look at the sheer numbers, whites still commit less violent crime and are killed more by police. Whites commit 43% of violent crime overall in our nation, all other races account for 49.3%, while the remainder is "unknown"...unsolved crimes. That is according to Bureau of Justice Statistics 2012-2013.

So if being shot by police should correlate to violent crime, then LESS whites should be shot overall, not more. Do you get it now? Probably not.

Simply not true.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...he-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf



And the whole "what constitutes a crime" thing has already been addressed.

 

[Sinobas]

Explain this.

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Black people are probably profiled. And I wouldn't doubt at all that white people have guns or drugs at an equal rate as blacks (maybe even more). But if blacks are profiled, it might water down their rate.

Anyway, I personally don't care if people possess drugs or a gun. Just don't fucking murder, rape, assault or rob people. Black people do that at a much higher rate.

 

[Sinobas]

Simply not true.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...he-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

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And the whole "what constitutes a crime" thing has already been addressed.

Notice a category missing there bub? If you want to do a whites vs. minorities comparison, you shouldn't post stats on whites plus Hispanics vs. black people. Also, note that these are "arrests", not convictions. But anyway if you want to use arrests as the metric: isn't it quite telling that blacks, by themselves, despite being about 13% of the population are still higher in murder and robbery? And their rates would be higher in all those catagories if you take population into account.