Why Black Lives Matter movement is bullshit

[Sinobas]

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Simply not true.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...he-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

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And the whole "what constitutes a crime" thing has already been addressed.

Hey I tried to use fbi stats in a convo like this a few months ago and got called out with comments of the fbi figures being bullshit.

And why are people always making this black vs whites? Showing stats on Latinos, blacks, Asians, whites, men, women paint a full picture.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey I tried to use fbi stats in a convo like this a few months ago and got called out with comments of the fbi figures being bullshit.

And why are people always making this black vs whites? Showing stats on Latinos, blacks, Asians, whites, men, women paint a full picture.

Asians are good at math so they're the ones compiling the stats.

Mexicans don't speak english so when the police ask them their race no one understands who is saying what.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...y-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

"If one considers the absolute number of offenders and it turns out there are a larger number of offenders from Group A than Group B, then it stands to reason that Group A is the greater threat in terms of likelihood of criminal acts," said Lorie Fridell, a criminologist at the University of South Florida.

Robert Brame, a criminology professor at the University of South Carolina, echoed Fridell’s assessment.

"The statistical fact is that you’re more likely to be a victim of a white perpetrator than a black one just because there are so many more whites in the population," Brame said.

 

[Denny Crane]

Notice a category missing there bub? If you want to do a whites vs. minorities comparison, you shouldn't post stats on whites plus Hispanics vs. black people. Also, note that these are "arrests", not convictions. But anyway if you want to use arrests as the metric: isn't it quite telling that blacks, by themselves, despite being about 13% of the population are still higher in murder and robbery? And their rates would be higher in all those catagories if you take population into account.

The data are all there.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The data are all there.

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Aren't Latinos the second highest population in the us? That surely skews things there sir

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

Do you background check your sources?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jared-taylor

About Jared Taylor
In his personal bearing and tone, Jared Taylor projects himself as a courtly presenter of ideas that most would describe as crudely white supremacist — a kind of modern-day version of the refined but racist colonialist of old. He is the founder of the New Century Foundation and edits its American Renaissance magazine, which, despite its pseudo-academic polish, regularly publishes proponents of eugenics and blatant anti-black and anti-Latino racists. Taylor also hosts a conference every other year where racist intellectuals rub shoulders with Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

 

[Denny Crane]

Aren't Latinos the second highest population in the us? That surely skews things there sir

I'll bite. How?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I'll bite. How?

Because you're trying to make a point with skewed data. Whites and Latinos vs black crime shows what? Nothing really.

Find data that has white (non Latino), Asians, blacks, Latinos. That would be more helpful

 

[Denny Crane]

Because you're trying to make a point with skewed data. Whites and Latinos vs black crime shows what? Nothing really.

Find data that has white (non Latino), Asians, blacks, Latinos. That would be more helpful

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

You're not going to like it.

 

[Sinobas]

Because you're trying to make a point with skewed data. Whites and Latinos vs black crime shows what? Nothing really.

Find data that has white (non Latino), Asians, blacks, Latinos. That would be more helpful

I can't believe I'm this dense. I told him flat out that his numbers added whites and hispanics together under one category. And he's trying to pretend that he doesn't understand how that is relevant to this discussion?

 

[Denny Crane]

I can't believe that Denny is this dense. I told him flat out that his numbers added whites and hispanics together under one category. And he's trying to pretend that he doesn't understand how that is relevant to this discussion?

Whatever you say.

Cite me some more neo nazi and KKK sources.

 

[Sinobas]

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

You're not going to like it.

Why would he not like it? I already gave you guys the numbers from this chart. 532 of the "white" murders were identified as Hispanic/Latino. So that would make the total number of caucasian offenders fall below that of black.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

You're not going to like it.

Not going to like what? I posted that same link a few months ago and got told that was a bullshit source. It's pretty obvious a race that is 62percent of the us should have more crime instances. The scary thing is when a race that is 13 percent or 17 percent commit more crimes than the majority. And it would be in our best interests to understand why and fix it

 

[Denny Crane]

Not going to like what? I posted that same link a few months ago and got told that was a bullshit source. It's pretty obvious a race that is 62percent of the us should have more crime instances. The scary thing is when a race that is 13 percent or 17 percent commit more crimes than the majority. And it would be in our best interests to understand why and fix it

See any bias there?

BLM is all about fixing the problem.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I can't believe I'm this dense.

I can.

 

[Denny Crane]

I can.

Says the dog who insists the oceans are dead.

 

[Sinobas]

Whatever you say.

Cite me some more neo nazi and KKK sources.

Those numbers were from the Bureau of Justice. I suppose anyone who argues with the narrative that Blacks are oppressed, or points out the fact that they have problems of their own doing will be labeled a "racist". Do you really think blacks are convicted of violent crimes at a much higher rate simply because of poverty and racism?

Why are the murder rates so much higher in black communities than in white? Is it because police are making up fake murders, then arresting/prosecuting black people for shits and giggles?

 

[Sinobas]

See any bias there?

BLM is all about fixing the problem.

Right, I have heard plenty of them talking about ending the war on drugs......................not.

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. BLM is about an imaginary epidemic of police targeting black people to kill because they hate black people. The numbers prove this is bullshit. If anything, they are shot less than you'd expect.

I'm all for ending the war on drugs. If their cause were about ending the war on drugs I'd be all for it (though I would not agree with their methods).

 

[Sinobas]

I am the worst of a libtard mixed with the worst parts of republican/conservative. I'm like Danny Devito in the movie Twins.

 

[Sinobas]

Ok, now SlyPockerDog is ruining our friendly discussion by editing my insults.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ok, now SlyPockerDog is ruining our friendly discussion by editing my insults.

I'm confident you can express your dislike of black people without insulting anyone.

 

[Sinobas]

IAnyway...bottom line: I'm just tired of all this racial controversy. So much of it is trumped up BS. The media, and school systems are damaging people by constantly beating the drum that "blacks are oppressed" etc etc. If America is so racist, and everything is so slanted towards "white privlidge" then why is it that Asians make the most money, do best in school have the lowest crime rates etc. You don't hear any ridiculous accusations being through around about "asian privledge". People want to ignore that some sub-cultures have big problems that they need to work out. Pointing fingers outside to imaginary problems won't help them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Right, I have heard plenty of them talking about ending the war on drugs......................not.

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. BLM is about an imaginary epidemic of police targeting black people to kill because they hate black people. The numbers prove this is bullshit. If anything, they are shot less than you'd expect.

I'm all for ending the war on drugs. If their cause were about ending the war on drugs I'd be all for it (though I would not agree with their methods).

You're just wrong.

The war on drugs radically affects blacks far more than whites, and black people know it. They're not fools.

BLM is not about some imaginary epidemic. The murders are real, caught on video, and the cops aren't prosecuted.

Odds of being murdered by a cop ? White 1:200,000, black 1:60,000. Unarmed, the numbers shift radically for the better for whites and for the worse for blacks.

You're the one stuck on gross figures. If there were no bias, the odds would be the same for everyone.

And you can try to ignore this, but then you'd be dense.

Looks like real bias. Almost 3:1 against blacks.

 

[Sinobas]

You're preaching to the choir on the war on drugs, I think its ridiculous. It does look like there's a big time race disparity on that issue, since I don't believe that black people use drugs so much more often than whites. I imagine it's the way police target gang-bangers.

 

[Denny Crane]

You're preaching to the choir on the war on drugs, I think its ridiculous. It does look like there's a big time race disparity on that issue, since I don't believe that black people use drugs so much more often than whites. I imagine it's the way police target black people.

You almost got it right. Fixed it for you.

 

[Sinobas]

You almost got it right. Fixed it for you.

Some are just trying to get their drug arrests up, so they target black people because they think they'll be gang members who deal drugs. It's a bad system. But it's not like they are rampantly framing black people for murder and robbery. Black people commit a lot more crime.

 

[Denny Crane]

This kind of thing may have been matched, somewhat, by the internment of Japanese by FDR.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

Sure, that was ~100 years ago. It was one of many many horrific destruction of black enterprise, family, opportunity, etc. the Japanese internment was for a few years, and they were paid reparations for the damage done to them.

This was 50 years ago.

This was this year:

There's no problem? Seriously?

 

[Denny Crane]

Some are just trying to get their drug arrests up, so they target black people because they think they'll be gang members who deal drugs. It's a bad system. But it's not like they are rampantly framing black people for murder and robbery. Black people commit a lot more crime.

If they want more drug busts, white people are the way to go.

 

[Sinobas]

This kind of thing may have been matched, somewhat, by the internment of Japanese by FDR.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

Sure, that was ~100 years ago. It was one of many many horrific destruction of black enterprise, family, opportunity, etc. the Japanese internment was for a few years, and they were paid reparations for the damage done to them.

This was 50 years ago.

This was this year:

There's no problem? Seriously?

Making it into a race problem when it's not doesn't solve the problem. It's bad for our society.

This sort of thing happens to white people all the time. Ever hear BLM protest about any of these?