Why Black Lives Matter movement is bullshit

[MarAzul]

When I went to a Police 'citizens academy' in the city I live in, they instructed us that their policy is to always (if needed) use one level of force higher than the suspect. So you wave a knife around, I bust out my gun, for example.

I believe you. I never was a cop, never wanted to be. I did stand my share of Shore Patrol in some rough spots way back, but I never wanted to even use the baton with just the pardoner an I.
If we (usually the first and only time you met) didn't think we could handle a situation, we called in back up. I have no doubt I could have disabled damn near anyone with the baton but the problem is, too many would never recover. So the back up team was an orderly plan, batons could be applied judiciously to disable, if the fool was wanting to take on six. The Navy didn't want us to be eliminating Sailors and Marines, so the plan was good and it worked.

Would it work in the hood? I think so, with layered back up teams ranging from muscle teams to heavy weapons teams. Probably would be good to have all black pairs in the hood for a few years to get things started. You were right about the cops that drove up to the 12 year old with the toy gun, way too close. Bull horn range would have been about right to see if you could get a rational response from the guy(kid unknown) and determine what back up is needed if any. Probably none needed in this case, but no-doubt at all, the procedure was totally wrong.

I don't think the cops should be put on trial, but I am sure the Chief should be replaced.

 

[dviss1]

And if black lives matter, why aren't they focusing on the 99.99% of blacks that are murdered by other blacks.

First of all it's 93%. However you're blind bias will make you bloviate 99.99%. You keep asking this dumb ass question. And I keep telling you while you keep ignoring the fact that those blacks that are murdering are going to prison.

 

[dviss1]

And DVISS, plenty of Cops have gone to jail or faced charges when improperly using their firearms, so your 'nothing' statement is a little to0 disingenuous.

You're talking shit about statistics but certainly didn't post any about the "plenty of cops that have gone to jail". That statement is disingenuous at best.

With regard to me being disingenuous, the LaQuan McDonald case is the first time an officer has been charged for such a case in Chicago. Most often they are not charged.

Some of y'all act like you HATE unions but the silence is deafening when it comes to police unions rules about officer shootings.

 

[Denny Crane]

You're talking shit about statistics but certainly didn't post any about the "plenty of cops that have gone to jail". That statement is disingenuous at best.

With regard to me being disingenuous, the LaQuan McDonald case is the first time an officer has been charged for such a case in Chicago. Most often they are not charged.

Some of y'all act like you HATE unions but the silence is deafening when it comes to police unions rules about officer shootings.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30339943

A white South Carolina police officer has been charged with murder after a video of shooting a black man running away from him became public - months after previous cases of police killings saw no charges against the officer. So when have police faced charges?

In 2013, Russell Rios, 19, fled a Wal-mart in Conroe, Texas, after allegedly stealing about $50 (£32) in goods from the store.

An officer, Sgt Jason Blackwelder, responded and chased Rios on foot to a wooded area. Blackwelder left the woods, Rios did not.

Blackwelder later said in his report during a struggle Rios had choked him to the point of almost losing consciousness. Blackwelder fired his gun and killed Rios, arguing it was self-defence.

But prosecutors said evidence from the scene contradicted that account, including the fact that Rios had been shot in the back of the head.

Blackwelder was charged by a grand jury for manslaughter and making false statements. He was convicted in a jury trial.

It is one example of the rare instances where police are arrested or charged for violent incidents related to their police work.

...

The FBI does record "justifiable homicides" by police officers. There were 461 such homicides in 2013, but by definition, this doesn't include the number of police charged with a crime for on-duty actions.

And reporting these statistics to the FBI is voluntary. In addition, even police agencies who report their overall crime numbers are not required to submit additional data on homicides, justified or not.

Mr Stinson's own research found 41 police officers were charged with murder or manslaughter between 2005 and 2011. In the same time period, the FBI recorded several thousand justifiable homicides.

 

[blue32]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30339943

A white South Carolina police officer has been charged with murder after a video of shooting a black man running away from him became public - months after previous cases of police killings saw no charges against the officer. So when have police faced charges?

In 2013, Russell Rios, 19, fled a Wal-mart in Conroe, Texas, after allegedly stealing about $50 (£32) in goods from the store.

An officer, Sgt Jason Blackwelder, responded and chased Rios on foot to a wooded area. Blackwelder left the woods, Rios did not.

Blackwelder later said in his report during a struggle Rios had choked him to the point of almost losing consciousness. Blackwelder fired his gun and killed Rios, arguing it was self-defence.

But prosecutors said evidence from the scene contradicted that account, including the fact that Rios had been shot in the back of the head.

Blackwelder was charged by a grand jury for manslaughter and making false statements. He was convicted in a jury trial.

It is one example of the rare instances where police are arrested or charged for violent incidents related to their police work.

...

The FBI does record "justifiable homicides" by police officers. There were 461 such homicides in 2013, but by definition, this doesn't include the number of police charged with a crime for on-duty actions.

And reporting these statistics to the FBI is voluntary. In addition, even police agencies who report their overall crime numbers are not required to submit additional data on homicides, justified or not.

Mr Stinson's own research found 41 police officers were charged with murder or manslaughter between 2005 and 2011. In the same time period, the FBI recorded several thousand justifiable homicides.

Guess that justifies my use of the word plenty. 41 is quite a lot in 6 year span.

 

[dviss1]

Guess that justifies my use of the word plenty. 41 is quite a lot in 6 year span.

That doesn't justify it at all. 41 out of the thousands of "justifiable" homicides ain't shit. WTF are you talking about?

 

[blue32]

That doesn't justify it at all. 41 out of the thousands of "justifiable" homicides ain't shit. WTF are you talking about?

What part of justifiable are you misunderstanding ? Or do you just assume that every single one of those is a guilty cop shooting someone? You're so blinded right now all you see is red.

41 is a lot IMO in 6 years. So yes 41 JUSTIFIES my use of the word "plenty". So your BS statement about cops getting away with no consequences is moot.

 

[Denny Crane]

What part of justifiable are you misunderstanding ? Or do you just assume that every single one of those is a guilty cop shooting someone? You're so blinded right now all you see is red.

41 is a lot IMO in 6 years. So yes 41 JUSTIFIES my use of the word "plenty". So your BS statement about cops getting away with no consequences is moot.

Nope. Every killing by a cop is "justified" by the reporting rule used. 41 is a ridiculously small %.



461 per year. 41 cops prosecuted over 7 year period.

 

[dviss1]

What part of justifiable are you misunderstanding ? Or do you just assume that every single one of those is a guilty cop shooting someone? You're so blinded right now all you see is red.

41 is a lot IMO in 6 years. So yes 41 JUSTIFIES my use of the word "plenty". So your BS statement about cops getting away with no consequences is moot.

The straw man arguments that you and sinobas push are amazing.

They said when that frightened BITCH COWARD Frashour shot unarmed Aaron Campbell in his BACK that it was justified. They said Eric Garner being choked to death was justified... you don't believe everything that the government tells you do you? Hell fucking no.

But somehow you do when it comes to police killing people??

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The question I still have, and I haven't seen a definitive answer to....

Is it really a race thing only? Or an issue with police overstepping? A combo of both?

I agree there's an issue. I agree racism still is prevalent in this country. Frighteningly so. But I keep hearing people blaming police reactions solely on racism. Both exist. Some incidents are correlated.

 

[Denny Crane]

The cops are harassing people in the black neighborhoods far more than is necessary. NY City finally was forced to end its stop and frisk program, where they stopped and searched black folks without reason or a warrant. When you do these things to people and shoot them when they're unarmed, hands raised, or in the back, it is obviously making a tense situation much worse.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I get that. I don't dispute it. It's wrong. It's all wrong. Read my posts. I'm not being argumentative and I've made my stance clear. The fact people are arguing with it makes me question their motive(s). Or their reading comprehension.

The thing is... There are two big separate issues here. Police overreactions and racism. They are connected, yes, but you don't solve both at once - let's be real.

 

[Denny Crane]

I get that. I don't dispute it. It's wrong. It's all wrong. Read my posts. I'm not being argumentative and I've made my stance clear. The fact people are arguing with it makes me question their motive(s). Or their reading comprehension.

The thing is... There are two big separate issues here. Police overreactions and racism. They are connected, yes, but you don't solve both at once - let's be real.

I think maybe we should listen to, and respect, those affected.

I am not making this into an argument with you. You asked a question and I answered as best I can.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I think maybe we should listen to, and respect, those affected.

I am not making this into an argument with you. You asked a question and I answered as best I can.

That's just it.

We are ALL affected.

You said all I needed to know.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's just it.

We are ALL affected.

You said all I needed to know.

We aren't equally affected. It's really obvious that people in Watts have similar experience to those in Ferguson or Baltimore. I've never been stopped and frisked, have you?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I didn't say "equally". Nice work, though.

#fightthepower

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Denny is the most malleable personality I've ever NOT met.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

We aren't equally affected. It's really obvious that people in Watts have similar experience to those in Ferguson or Baltimore. I've never been stopped and frisked, have you?

And, for the record, I've had 4-5 extremely uncomfortable police encounters in my lifetime. Never been shot. Never been arrested. Been cuffed twice, though. Nothing ever came of it. 3 times had follow up calls where police were going to come talk to me and explain the situation and how it was mishandled. Still waiting for the police to show up with an explanation.

Grew up in all-white suburbs. Still had an unhealthy fear of the po-po based on real-life instances. By the way, two of the cops I encountered in my situations had serious allegations against them after the fact, and at least of them lost their jobs (for shooting a white man in a situation where the officer overreacted).

 

[Denny Crane]

A handful of experiences vs daily occurrences.

You and I walk down the street and don't worry about being hassled by the cops for no good reason.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

A handful of experiences vs daily occurrences.

You and I walk down the street and don't worry about being hassled by the cops for no good reason.

Live in my white burbs.

Quite honestly, I do.

But still.... I haven't seen a real answer to my question.

 

[dviss1]

Live in my white burbs.

Quite honestly, I do.

But still.... I haven't seen a real answer to my question.

I lived in Southwest Portland for 8 years with no police contact at all. The minute I move out too conservative Milwaukie Oregon in one year I'm pulled over 7 times with no ticket. You need to go look up the stop-and-frisk numbers. They speak for themselves.

 

[dviss1]

2 words...

Fruitvale Station

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You need to read my posts, man. Like read them a few times.

I'm not disputing that racism is alive and well. The fact that some of you seem to make this situation all about racism is a little frightening.

 

[dviss1]

You need to read my posts, man. Like read them a few times.

I'm not disputing that racism is alive and well. The fact that some of you seem to make this situation all about racism is a little frightening.

Not sure why you feel my post was directed toward you.

I will say though the fact that you don't see racism as a part of the situation is more frightening me.

 

[Further]

Well I'm really thankful of the BLM. They have made some serious headway in a very short period of time. Headway that will not only help Blacks, but also help Whites, Latinos, Asians, everyone. As police are held more accountable for their actions, their practices will improve and their violence against all non-armed citizens will be improved. Over time, as police actions become more justifiable then their respect level will improve and they will also reap the rewards of better practices. As more departments wear body cameras, use less-than-lethal methods, and don't shoot the unarmed, trust will be restored. Over time at least. It's going to take a lot of work.

We need to continue pushing these issues, but also work diligently towards abolishing the private prison systems and legalize drugs, or at least lessen the jail time attached to these crimes. We need to stop incentivizing prosecution over rehabilitation.

I believe that racism is involved, but even if you don't, realize that this movement is helping make abusive authority more accountable and helping to protect people who don't deserve to die.

 

[blue32]

The straw man arguments that you and sinobas push are amazing.

They said when that frightened BITCH COWARD Frashour shot unarmed Aaron Campbell in his BACK that it was justified. They said Eric Garner being choked to death was justified... you don't believe everything that the government tells you do you? Hell fucking no.

But somehow you do when it comes to police killing people??

Straw man? Dude my whole argument was based on your bullshit stat you positioned yourself with. That was, you said all cops do not go to jail when they kill people.

I said that was BS. And I am right because cops DO go to jail when they shoot people.

Now if you don't think there is enough of them going, then that is what you should have said in the beginning and not pushed some BS statement like you did

 

[MarAzul]

Well I'm really thankful of the BLM. They have made some serious headway in a very short period of time. Headway that will not only help Blacks, but also help Whites, Latinos, Asians, everyone. As police are held more accountable for their actions, their practices will improve and their violence against all non-armed citizens will be improved. Over time, as police actions become more justifiable then their respect level will improve and they will also reap the rewards of better practices. As more departments wear body cameras, use less-than-lethal methods, and don't shoot the unarmed, trust will be restored. Over time at least. It's going to take a lot of work.

We need to continue pushing these issues, but also work diligently towards abolishing the private prison systems and legalize drugs, or at least lessen the jail time attached to these crimes. We need to stop incentivizing prosecution over rehabilitation.

I believe that racism is involved, but even if you don't, realize that this movement is helping make abusive authority more accountable and helping to protect people who don't deserve to die.

You are dreaming Further. There can be no good coming for anyone marching around chanting "Pigs in a blanket, Fry em like bacon", or "What do you want? Dead Cops! When do you want it? Now" Look at the picture in the front of the video in the first post this thread. See the hate of the face of the black guy! He is counting coup confronting the cops. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the cop is thinking, "Fuck! I'd rather not be here!" But if he does shoot the fucker, it will be justified.

None of this pitiful behavior is going to bring any change. I have not even heard of one proposal that would make a systematic change in the system.
Let me ask you, what in all this confrontation do you see that will make the job better for the cop? 124 were killed in 2014, up 24 percent from 2013 and I bet it is way up for 2015.
Do you think more fear in the ranks of the police will make them shoot less people? I don't.

 

[blue32]

You are dreaming Further. There can be no good coming for anyone marching around chanting "Pigs in a blanket, Fry em like bacon", or "What do you want? Dead Cops! When do you want it? Now" Look at the picture in the front of the video in the first post this thread. See the hate of the face of the black guy! He is counting coup confronting the cops. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the cop is thinking, "Fuck! I'd rather not be here!" But if he does shoot the fucker, it will be justified.

None of this pitiful behavior is going to bring any change. I have not even heard of one proposal that would make a systematic change in the system.
Let me ask you, what in all this confrontation do you see that will make the job better for the cop? 124 were killed in 2014, up 24 percent from 2013 and I bet it is way up for 2015.
Do you think more fear in the ranks of the police will make them shoot less people? I don't.

Exactly. That is why their movement is cancer. Sitting there advocating more death with their bullshit chants. Getting into people's faces if they don't join in. Basically a damn mob.

 

[MarAzul]

Understood. He didn't even deserve to be tased...

Well, I don't know but I think it is highly likely that someone called the police because they felt the guy was causing a disturbance. I don't think the fellow should have been shot, You don't even think he should be tased. So how should the cops handle the guy without exposing themselves to unreasonable risk?

 

[MarAzul]

Maybe I shouldn't share this, but every time I see the video of the dude out in the street in Chicago, waving the shiv, and the cop drills him, brings back memories.
Anyone ever had a Black man whip out a shiv and threaten to "cut you from pecker to chin"? God damn! It will start your engine! Might even make your finger twitchy.