Why Black Lives Matter movement is bullshit

[SlyPokerDog]

The Hateful Eight had a lot of racism in it.

Said the N word about 50x.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Hateful Eight had a lot of racism in it.

Said the N word about 50x.

do something useful and repost your link to what BLM is actually asking for?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

do something useful and repost your link to what BLM is actually asking for?

Here is the website - http://www.joincampaignzero.org/

Here are the solutions they are proposing - http://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#solutionsoverview

Click on each subject for more information.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Is 99% not racism? 98%?

If there are 100 cops and 99 lynch a black man, it's not racism?

I'm trying to follow your argument here. The 100% thing is some number you came up with. I ask you to justify why 100%.

3x the arrest rate is a pretty good indicator of racism.

If you were betting all you have on finding contraband, do you stop the white driver or the black one? If not racism, why do the cops stop more blacks?

Show me your stats on that, stats guru. Show me your stats or shut up with your propaganda.

Nobody denies racism is alive and well, but you take it to the next level.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Here is the website - http://www.joincampaignzero.org/

Here are the solutions they are proposing - http://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#solutionsoverview

Click on each subject for more information.

They can burn in hell until they remove the loud music part. I love music. I love music sorts loud. But, fuck you if you have no courtesy for your neighbors.

 

[Denny Crane]

Show me your stats on that, stats guru. Show me your stats or shut up with your propaganda.

Nobody denies racism is alive and well, but you take it to the next level.

Posts #262, #263, #265 in this thread.

There are numbers and charts. Absolutely supports racism as the problem.

A repost. Police searched black drivers almost 2x more (12% to 7%).

There is a 1/3 chance the cop finds contraband (I assume drugs most of the time) on the white drivers vs. 1/5 of the black drivers.

Not only are the cops looking in the wrong place (the lesser of the two chances to find contraband), they're letting white drivers off with a warning while arresting black drivers 2x more often.

Explain why they shouldn't be stopping white drivers way more than black ones, and why they should arrest the black ones far more often.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Posts #262, #263, #265 in this thread.

There are numbers and charts. Absolutely supports racism as the problem.

A repost. Police searched black drivers almost 2x more (12% to 7%).

There is a 1/3 chance the cop finds contraband (I assume drugs most of the time) on the white drivers vs. 1/5 of the black drivers.

Not only are the cops looking in the wrong place (the lesser of the two chances to find contraband), they're letting white drivers off with a warning while arresting black drivers 2x more often.

Explain why they shouldn't be stopping white drivers way more than black ones, and why they should arrest the black ones far more often.

My people don't get frisked or even have our rights read to us, we're just thrown in the back of the dog catcher's truck and taken to jail.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Cool. None of that supports what I've requested you to confirm.

 

[MarAzul]

Damn! I don't agree with any of this stuff they want to let go on, except I guess you boys already legalized MJ so that has to be ok.

• Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
• Marijuana Possession
• Disorderly Conduct
• Trespassing
• Loitering
• Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
• Spitting

I do agree with most of this want list;

The Police Commission should:

• determine policy for the police department based on community input and academic expertise
• share policy and policy changes in publicly accessible formats

But after reading this board, it seems to me the right policy changes won't make it anyway. Accountability changes are not nearly enough to get the system working right.

The policy of the police enforcement must be changed from instructing the cop to demand compliance, to a procedure of deescalation, do not confront the suspect until the proper back up arrives.
No reason to kill a man for not following the orders of lone cop when he no doubt will, when several officers are on the scene. Of course if the fellow is about to commit mayhem then deadly force must be used asp. The police chief should be tasked to save as many lives as possible, as if they were cacino customers you want back tomorrow, or sailors you want available to man the ships tomorrow.

 

[MarAzul]

small ball pein hammer

No concealed carrier required.

 

[Further]

Blazinggiants and Denny, I think there is just a bit of talking past each other going on.

There are more systemic issues at play, such as abusive nature of power, the fear of the indigent and patterns laid down from past racism, then just current racism. Its many issues, but racism is most certainly a giant piece of the puzzle. That doesn't even mean that all the police that are involved in these incidents are racist, it just means that racism has built the situation and at least in part keeps this situation going.

If I'm a policeman and I'm fearful of being attacked by someone who doesn't want to go back to jail, and many Blacks in the neighborhood I patrol have been incarcerated due to prior systemic racism like biased drug laws, societal educational structures or lack of job opportunities, then I might be more fearful of Blacks not because of the color of their skin, but because of the systemic racist world that they come out of. The Cop then acts in a racist way not because he thinks Blacks are inferior or bad, but because he has to operate in the society that racism built. It's past fuckups leading to current fuckups. Time to realize there is a cancer, and cure it in society. But chemo is a bitch and our society is going to feel sick and beaten down going through the pains of the cure.

We need to acknowledge our background, past and the racism that still exists because of that history in order to build a way out of that mentality. We need to implement all sorts of current dynamics to protect the continued ripples of racism from persisting. Make our authorities fully accountable for their actions and make the public ready to work on the infrastructure, the educational facilities, the job opportunities, the healthcare, the ......etc. It might not ever happen, it's a gigantic goal. But if it doesn't, then we will stay mired in the muck of our past wrongdoings.

 

[Denny Crane]

Is 99% not racism? 98%?

If there are 100 cops and 99 lynch a black man, it's not racism?

I'm trying to follow your argument here. The 100% thing is some number you came up with. I ask you to justify why 100%.

3x the arrest rate is a pretty good indicator of racism.

If you were betting all you have on finding contraband, do you stop the white driver or the black one? If not racism, why do the cops stop more blacks?

Cool. None of that supports what I've requested you to confirm.

Disingenuous.

 

[dviss1]

For the life of me I don't see how this can be an argument.

1. Police have a shitty, dangerous job to do.
2. Police also have power and loopholes to use said power with impunity, an example is not having a warrant but they make up some probable cause like smelling marijuana.
3. The police didn't force blacks into poor neighborhoods and government housing but someone has to do the job. I mean, most of them wouldn't set foot in a poor inner city neighborhood unless it was their job.

I seriously wonder how people who become police think. They almost all want families. I couldn't imagine leaving a wife and kids to go out there and be a target or just having to be a peace keeper.

So you take a scared police force and have them police a scared group of people and it's just a cluster fuck of epic proportions. Then you add in white people's racism and it just gets worse. That doesn't mean blacks can't be racist or that all whites are it's just math. The odds if you will.

When cops can get away with 99.9999999999 percent of the shootings why wouldn't they err on the side of what seems to us to be lunacy? They get to go home to that family I mentioned earlier. Along the lines of it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. They really don't have to fear that unless there is a video.

Soooooo, it is just a poor system from beginning to end. I see videos like when they tased that older black guy in his car while he was having a heart attack. I can't imagine a regular guy short of a psychopath doing that just for fun.

It seemed to me to be an inability to recognize a black guy from a gang member coupled with police escalating every situation before it's been considered.

So yes, white people can be racist and lots and lots of cops are white guys who now train like military. The fat doughnut eating cop is becoming a thing of the past. If dviss's mom were here she could probably tell you how most Henderson NV cops are 6 feet 230lb white guys with bald heads.

Wow.... the notions that some of you subscribe to are just amazing to me. Don't become a police officer if you cannot conquer fear with reason. You must be wrong for the job. Just like officer Ron Frashour. He was afraid. A scared little bitch for no reason when unarmed Aaron Campbell was running away from him, he shot him in the back because he said he was afraid that he was reaching for a gun. If your scared go to church...

 

[dviss1]

They can burn in hell until they remove the loud music part. I love music. I love music sorts loud. But, fuck you if you have no courtesy for your neighbors.

This is just a weird comment and I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Yes black people are killed for playing their music too loud. Do you think that's okay?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Wow.... the notions that some of you subscribe to are just amazing to me. Don't become a police officer if you cannot conquer fear with reason. You must be wrong for the job. Just like officer Ron Frashour. He was afraid. A scared little bitch for no reason when unarmed Aaron Campbell was running away from him, he shot him in the back because he said he was afraid that he was reaching for a gun. If your scared go to church...

Read it again. How many times do I have to say they're scared and often racist?

The point I'm making about not understanding why anyone would want to be a cop is that these people have families and they feel like their only goal is to make it home alive after each shift. This creates incentive for them to shoot a guy holding a cell phone behind his back.

Nowhere did I say I think that's ok. My point is that the cops are trained to kill and then sent out in fear.

I've said it a thousand times. Almost nobody who wants to be a cop should be allowed to.

I'm getting these deaths confused. If a guy is shot in the back I don't buy the fear argument in his defense. Sorry.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This is just a weird comment and I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Yes black people are killed for playing their music too loud. Do you think that's okay?

No, it's not ok. But if black people are killed for wiping their ass and washing their hands you're not changing the laws without me opposing it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This is just a weird comment and I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Yes black people are killed for playing their music too loud. Do you think that's okay?

This is actually a common thing, people always want to change rules because one person or group takes advantage.

 

[dviss1]

What pains me is that some of you in here prove that you really just don't give a shit. You really truly don't care. You won't even consider the changes that BLM wants to make. They would help us all not just black people. But I bet someone like Mario I wouldn't even read them because he already subscribed to a notion that what they're saying is bullshit before considering what they're saying.

Most of us in here do not trust the government or the media. However when it comes to this specific subject, you trust the government says as well as get most of your information from the media and use it as truth. The only word I can come up with that is amazing. I'm amazed by the fact that when it comes to black people's complaints about police treatment you will retreat to your corner and trust the entities that you vehemently distrust. Amazing...

 

[dviss1]

This is actually a common thing, people always want to change rules because one person or group takes advantage.

Loud music might be a reason to be stopped and told to turn it down. It is not a reason to be frisked. It also not a reason to be shot. There is no probable cause to be searched because your music is too loud. Do you understand what you're talking about? Because I'm not sure that you do...

 

[blue32]

What pains me is that some of you in here prove that you really just don't give a shit. You really truly don't care. You won't even consider the changes that BLM wants to make. They would help us all not just black people. But I bet someone like Mario I wouldn't even read them because he already subscribed to a notion that what they're saying is bullshit before considering what they're saying.

Most of us in here do not trust the government or the media. However when it comes to this specific subject, you trust the government says as well as get most of your information from the media and use it as truth. The only word I can come up with that is amazing. I'm amazed by the fact that when it comes to black people's complaints about police treatment you will retreat to your corner and trust the entities that you vehemently distrust. Amazing...

I've seen the videos of the BLM movement. They instigate, agitate, and spit hateful messages in their chants. They often are aggressive to passive people that are nearby that are being disrupted.

Why would anyone in their right mind give two shits about their message? I can get behind police reform etc, but your right DVISS , I don't give two shits about the BLM movement due to what I see when they protest and that is sad because I actually do care about fixing the system.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This is just a weird comment and I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Yes black people are killed for playing their music too loud. Do you think that's okay?

I didn't think it was ok when that dumbass cop screamed at the little skater kids on video

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Loud music might be a reason to be stopped and told to turn it down. It is not a reason to be frisked. It also not a reason to be shot. There is no probable cause to be searched because your music is too loud. Do you understand what you're talking about? Because I'm not sure that you do...

I seem to have lost my reply to this. John Wayne Airport wifi sucks.

Cliff notes version........pure bullshit.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes black people are killed for playing their music too loud.

Bulllshit!

Making this suff ok to do is Bullshit too.

• Consumption of Alcohol on Street
• Disorderly Conduct
• Trespassing
• Loitering
• Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
• Spitting
• Surprised to see pissing in the gutter missing here

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This thread is bullshit. Just post after post of pointless arguing.

It's 2016, some of you need to grow the fuck up. Evolve, mature, try to show compassion for others.