Why de-stigmatize food stamps?

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EL PRESIDENTE

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They give them atm-looking cards to avoid embarrassment. They renamed the program "Cal Fresh".

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/24/local/la-me-food-stamps-20101024

California's food stamp program has a new name, which officials hope will encourage more people to apply for the nutrition benefit: CalFresh.

"This rebranding campaign will go a long way in helping to erase the unfortunate stigma associated with this program and encourage families to seek CalFresh as a resource for putting healthy meals on their table," Shriver said in a statement.

The rebranding of food stamps is the latest in a series of efforts to increase participation in the federal program, which offers qualifying families an average of $200 per month of food benefits in California.

More than 3 million Californians receive the benefit every month. However, participation has typically lagged behind most other states. In 2007, the most recent year for which federal estimates are available, fewer than half of the eligible California residents were receiving the benefit. Only Wyoming had a lower participation rate.

In California, the program used the term "food stamps" for more than 40 years. However, the paper coupons that inspired it were replaced years ago with a card, which looks and functions like a debit card.

In 2008, Congress decided to rename the program the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. States were given the option to come up with their own names and branding.

The state Legislature assigned the task to the California Department of Social Services, which officials said conducted consultations, research and testing that included many current and potential beneficiaries.

Department Director John Wagner said the name chosen by Congress did not test well in local focus groups because it suggested a welfare program rather than a health and nutrition program.

"I think that CalFresh better captures the goals of the program as well as conveys the rich tradition of our great state as a leader in agribusiness," Wagner said.

The California Endowment provided $150,000 for development of the name and branding. The printing and distribution of new brochures were paid for with $5,000 in federal funds. Officials said no additional funding will be sought to promote the new name, which is to be included in outreach efforts already funded by the federal government.

Advocates for low-income families welcomed the rebranding.

"We really needed something to capture how the program has changed," said George Manalo-LeClair, senior director of legislation for California Food Policy Advocates. "There are new ways to apply, new rules to improve access for working folks and a wonderful EBT [electronic benefit transfer] card to deliver benefits."

The federal government pays for the benefit and for half the cost of administering the program. The state and counties pay the rest.

Why the fuck do they want MORE people on this shit? And if you use them, you should feel bad for using the program.
 
I personally hate how the program is run. I dont think it should be used for crap like Soda, and Candy and Doritos etc.

There are families that need the help to ofset some food costs so I dont necessarily think that a family who actually needs the help should feel bad.
 
Actually ATM type cards is a much cheaper way to administer benefits. The card has the funds every month. No need to print and mail food stamps. Also it prevents fraud such as counterfeit food stamps and prevents people from trading them for drugs or other things such as non food items.
 
I personally hate how the program is run. I dont think it should be used for crap like Soda, and Candy and Doritos etc.
There are families that need the help to ofset some food costs so I dont necessarily think that a family who actually needs the help should feel bad.

They shouldn't have to stay on the program for extended periods of time. I think they should be replaced by ration packets or something like that. Gubment cheese needs to come back.
 
Actually ATM type cards is a much cheaper way to administer benefits. The card has the funds every month. No need to print and mail food stamps. Also it prevents fraud such as counterfeit food stamps and prevents people from trading them for drugs or other things such as non food items.

Alright, so I work in the grocery biz...people sell their food stamps EVERYDAY for drug money. It's as simple as walking around outside or inside a store and saying "Hey, I'll give you $100 of groceries for $50 cash". I've seen it happen many times. It's hard to prove and in the end the store isn't losing money.

Easiest way to figure it out, btw...It's usually some junkie white dude with someone he would never be with unless it was this circumstance.
 
They shouldn't have to stay on the program for extended periods of time. I think they should be replaced by ration packets or something like that. Gubment cheese needs to come back.

I guess it depends on why they are on it for extended periods of time. I have some families on my caseload where both parents are working full time, but get minimum wage, and have 4 kids and rent to pay. vs the person who has no job and isnt looking for a job etc.

the WIC program has it right IMO where they give vouchers. I.E. 4 vouchers for milk, 3 vouchers for Eggs... etc. It would alleviate all the junk that is bought. And also alleviate the EBT card being sold for drugs like mentioned above.
 
I don't mind it to help people in the short term, but having people rely on the program is kind of wack.
 
I guess it depends on why they are on it for extended periods of time. I have some families on my caseload where both parents are working full time, but get minimum wage, and have 4 kids and rent to pay. vs the person who has no job and isnt looking for a job etc.

the WIC program has it right IMO where they give vouchers. I.E. 4 vouchers for milk, 3 vouchers for Eggs... etc. It would alleviate all the junk that is bought. And also alleviate the EBT card being sold for drugs like mentioned above.

I agree with you to a certain extent on the junk food comment, but you should be allowed to enjoy yourself and have a treat every once and a while. The vast majority of people do spend their stamps on wholesome foods like veggies, meats and whole grains.
 
I agree with you to a certain extent on the junk food comment, but you should be allowed to enjoy yourself and have a treat every once and a while. The vast majority of people do spend their stamps on wholesome foods like veggies, meats and whole grains.

No. If they want to enjoy themselves, they should spend their own money, not the government assistance program meant for them to "get by".
 
Alright, so I work in the grocery biz...people sell their food stamps EVERYDAY for drug money. It's as simple as walking around outside or inside a store and saying "Hey, I'll give you $100 of groceries for $50 cash". I've seen it happen many times. It's hard to prove and in the end the store isn't losing money.

Easiest way to figure it out, btw...It's usually some junkie white dude with someone he would never be with unless it was this circumstance.

Never said it was perfect or right. I was responding to eP's post about ATM cards which I was meaning seems to me to be a much more efficient way to administer benefits then food stamps.
 
I agree with you to a certain extent on the junk food comment, but you should be allowed to enjoy yourself and have a treat every once and a while. The vast majority of people do spend their stamps on wholesome foods like veggies, meats and whole grains.

as harsh as the way Presidente put his response, but its kinda how I feel. The food stamp program was recently federally renamed to the "SUPPLEMENTAL nutritional assistance program" I all capped supplemental because its a program to supplement your income. When I looked up supplement out of curiousity (to pin down an exact well worded defenition) I read this "a quantity added (e.g. to make up for a deficiency)" To make up for a deficiency for a way to pay for food. Its not(shouldnt be) a program to help someones deficiency for sustaining their sweet tooth.

Now I know its apples to oranges etc.. but for example I thouroughly enjoy Disneyland and Amusement Parks, and we go about once a year. But if I couldnt afford to go do something that I enjoy a lot, but is not a necessity, I dont think that there should be help given to me for that. I would expect that I pay for it out of my disposable extra income. And if I didnt have the extra disposable income then I wouldnt be able to go.
 
No. If they want to enjoy themselves, they should spend their own money, not the government assistance program meant for them to "get by".

You'll be happy to know that energy drinks and coffee(starbucks) have been eliminated from the food stamp program:)

Btw, their is also a cash card that allows you to purchase anything with your food card. I have no clue how people qualify for it, however.
 
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You'll be happy to know that energy drinks and coffee(starbucks) have been eliminated from the food stamp program:)

Btw, their is also a cash card that allows you to purchase anything with your food card. I have no clue how people qualify for it, however.

yeah, in california, people were using those to get money at Casinos and Strip clubs.
 
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/06/welfare-cash-dispensed-at-strip-clubs.html

California welfare recipients have been able to get taxpayer cash -- meant to feed and clothe needy families -- from ATM machines at strip clubs across the state, including some well-known gentlemen’s cabarets in Los Angeles.

More than $12,000 from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program was dispensed from the start of 2007 to the end of 2009 at clubs including Sam’s Hofbrau, Seventh Veil and Star Strip, according to officials at the Department of Social Services.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has ordered the department to remove the clubs from the official list of businesses where welfare recipients can withdraw benefits using state-issued ATM cards.

The move came a day after The Times asked the administration how much welfare cash had been withdrawn at 17 adult clubs in recent years and less than a week after The Times reported that more than half the casinos and state-licensed poker rooms in California appeared on an official website showing welfare recipients where they can access cash benefits.

Following that report, Schwarzenegger ordered the casinos struck from the state’s ATM network and directed the Department of Social Services to produce a plan to reduce “waste, fraud and abuse” in the welfare program.

“We'll take a wide-ranging look and apply some common sense to the list of outlets where cash assistance should not be withdrawn,” Department of Social Services spokeswoman Lizelda Lopez wrote in an e-mail to The Times on Tuesday evening, announcing that her department had “taken steps to deactivate ATMs in adult entertainment clubs.”

Strip-club managers seemed shocked that welfare benefits were accessible through their ATMs. In most cases, the machines were provided by a third party, the managers said, and they had no way of knowing their ATMs are part of the state system.

The state contracts with the Quest ATM network.

“If there’s a way that the ATM can reject their card if they’re on welfare, I’m really and truly all for that,” said Merle Matias, manager at Sam’s Hofbrau in downtown Los Angeles, where $2,159 had been withdrawn, according to Department of Social Services officials. “I don’t think it will affect us at all.”

Star Strip manager Joey Mancini said state officials must be wrong about the $1,265 they said had been withdrawn from his club’s ATM. The Quest symbol isn’t on the machine, he said, adding that he thought any system that allowed access to welfare benefits at a strip club should be reformed: “This is not what that money is for.”
 
You'll be happy to know that energy drinks and coffee(starbucks) have been eliminated from the food stamp program:)

I was very happy when I heard about this :)

Btw, their is also a cash card that allows you to purchase anything with your food card. I have no clue how people qualify for it, however.

the Cash program is put on the same EBT card. Its called TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) its a program for very low income households with Children. For those who only have money to ofset their need to pay for shelter and utilities basically. i.e. The income limit for a household of 4 Can make no more than $795 of earned income to qualify for that program. Most If they do meet income standards then they have to go through a Job Search plan with local agencies, depending on circumstances (childcare, etc) which usually amounts to 20-30 hours a week of working with said local agencies. Its meant to ofset costs for necessities like Toilet Paper, To pay for Utilities if the cost is higher than their income, etc.
 

People who waste their cash benefits on that are screwed in the long run basically, because then when it comes time to pay rent or utilities or whatever then they have nowhere to turn to for help. They call their social worker and then the worker wonders where the money goes. Since it has to be a family with children, if they were homeless and evicted, then Child Welfare starts looking to get involved etc.
 
Nice generalizations in this thread. There are a lot of folks who live off of said benefits because they are disabled. They already have enough shit in their life to deal with. While I agree that some folks shouldn't be on them, it doesn't really matter. Wherever you go in life there are jackasses who try to ride for free or take advantage of situations. It doesn't make the people who are using them legitimately any sort of loser who deserves stigma. It also doesn't mean that because they are using them, they should be harder to use. If anything, making the system electronic makes the system more accountable for where those funds are going, and allows the government to make adjustments in their legislation to get rid of things such as using the cards at a strip bar.
 
They shouldn't be encouraged to be fed by the government like a nanny state.
 
California's food stamp program has a new name, which officials hope will encourage more people to apply for the nutrition benefit: CalFresh.

WTF would we WANT to do encourage this? This state is so screwed.
 
You want to encourage it so that families who need the benefit are going to use it.
 
You want to encourage it so that families who need the benefit are going to use it.

Uh, over 10% of the nation is on food stamps. We don't have a problem with people needing to be encouraged to use the handout.

If somebody REALLY needs the benefit, they will use it, regardless of some "stigma".
 
WTF would we WANT to do encourage this? This state is so screwed.

BB30, I hate to say this, but your sentiment is why I almost want Jerry Brown to win. He and his father helped to create the mess your state is in; he should preside over the collapse of California, which is going to happen no matter who is in power.
 
Nice generalizations in this thread. There are a lot of folks who live off of said benefits because they are disabled. They already have enough shit in their life to deal with. While I agree that some folks shouldn't be on them, it doesn't really matter. Wherever you go in life there are jackasses who try to ride for free or take advantage of situations. It doesn't make the people who are using them legitimately any sort of loser who deserves stigma. It also doesn't mean that because they are using them, they should be harder to use. If anything, making the system electronic makes the system more accountable for where those funds are going, and allows the government to make adjustments in their legislation to get rid of things such as using the cards at a strip bar.


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I'm going to give kudos for this post. I have learned to never judge a book by its cover and make no assumptions about people.

Well, except for a few posters around here.
 
Alright, so I work in the grocery biz...people sell their food stamps EVERYDAY for drug money. It's as simple as walking around outside or inside a store and saying "Hey, I'll give you $100 of groceries for $50 cash". I've seen it happen many times. It's hard to prove and in the end the store isn't losing money.

Easiest way to figure it out, btw...It's usually some junkie white dude with someone he would never be with unless it was this circumstance.

Racist.
 
How about trying something radical? Show up to work on one of those shovel ready jobs and you get $X added to your debit card.
 

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