Why do liberal Americans want more and more and more rights too?

[MarAzul]

The stuff we have today isn't in the Constitution.

Minimum wage.

Social Security.

Unemployment

Healthcare.

This country was not started by people wanting this stuff. I can't imagine there were that many people that considered healthcare a right! Who the heck would want the right to be bled as every bit as often as George Washington, the richest man in the country. When did this creep into the psychology of the liberal? I am sure the framers didn't over look a fundamental right here, it was invented much later.

Minimum wage? Why the hell do liberals want the government to interfer with the agreements between people that need help and those that are willing to help? Another gift to the nation from FDR, arguably the worst failure upholding the Constitution in the twentieth century. (Nips out Wilson)

Social Security? Dang! with all the boomer's planing to live to be the oldest generation of all time, it is likely to end the Union. Right after bankruptcy.
The worst part of this is, it hold everyone back. I know that I would be far better off if I had been able to keep more of my money than the Government took, I would indeed be in better shape. I am quite sure that is the case for everyone able to have a computer to connect to this forum. More liberal gifts from Wilson, with income tax and FDR, with Social Security. Wilson at least got an amendment to the Constitution, open ended as it is. FDR didn't even sweat it.
His view was if the Constitution did not prohibit and act, he could do it.

Every decade the new wants come. When will the new voter come? One bright enough to know every gain by the liberal, is a loss to the individual.

 

[barfo]

The stuff we have today isn't in the Constitution.


The worst part of this is, it hold everyone back. I know that I would be far better off if I had been able to keep more of my money than the Government took, I would indeed be in better shape. I am quite sure that is the case for everyone able to have a computer to connect to this forum.

And how would you have been able to connect to this forum if DARPA hadn't spent the money to develop the Internet?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And how would you have been able to connect to this forum if DARPA hadn't spent the money to develop the Internet?

barfo

Xerox. They invented Ethernet, the mouse, the graphical user interface, and XNS protocols (tcp/ip won out).

At least we didn't waste big money on that information superhighway thing Algore prattled on about.

 

[barfo]

Xerox. They invented Ethernet, the mouse, the graphical user interface, and XNS protocols (tcp/ip won out).

But they failed at commercializing those ideas. So you are saying that Xerox would have invented the internet and someone (we'll call him "Steve") would have stolen the idea and popularized it? Maybe that would have happened, but also maybe it would not have happened. I kind of think that what DARPA spent on this was money well spent, even if the Constitution doesn't mention electronic communication networks.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

At least we didn't waste big money on that information superhighway thing Algore prattled on about.

Speaking of prattling, I would think you'd shush about the man Americans elected in 2000 to be President. If not for crooked Florida, this country wouldn't be in this inescapable quicksand. But, keep reminding us.

 

[Denny Crane]

But they failed at commercializing those ideas. So you are saying that Xerox would have invented the internet and someone (we'll call him "Steve") would have stolen the idea and popularized it? Maybe that would have happened, but also maybe it would not have happened. I kind of think that what DARPA spent on this was money well spent, even if the Constitution doesn't mention electronic communication networks.

barfo

Read the constitution time. It mentions the D in DARPA quite a bit.

But Xerox or Samsung or MicroSoft or America Online or Compuserve might have made some money connecting computers ver long distances. My bad... They did!

Almost all the internet infrastructure I know of was built by companies like Pac Bell, MCI, Sprint, AT&T, Cisco, and Sun Microsystems. And many more.

 

[MarAzul]

And how would you have been able to connect to this forum if DARPA hadn't spent the money to develop the Internet?

barfo

There were multiple proposals active. My research group had one. The internet did not come about from only one source activity.

 

[Denny Crane]

Speaking of prattling, I would think you'd shush about the man Americans elected in 2000 to be President. If not for crooked Florida, this country wouldn't be in this inescapable quicksand. But, keep reminding us.

I didn't vote for Bush either time. And you're simply full of shit to say they're war criminals. I can't find a single nation or international court that has indicted him or Cheney.

And there wasn't any count or recount that showed Algore win. Too bad. Need a Kleenex?
But it's a free country. Spew on.

 

[barfo]

Read the constitution time. It mentions the D in DARPA quite a bit.

Yes, and it doesn't mention the ARPA.

You can't have it both ways. Either we interpret the constitution literally or we don't.

barfo

 

[barfo]

There were multiple proposals active. My research group had one. The internet did not come about from only one source activity.

Sure, maybe if the government didn't crowd you out, your group would have gotten all the glory.

But back to the point. Is it unconstitutional to spend money on things not specifically mentioned in the constitution?

barfo

 

[julius]

Sure, maybe if the government didn't crowd you out, your group would have gotten all the glory.

But back to the point. Is it unconstitutional to spend money on things not specifically mentioned in the constitution?

barfo

If "liberals" want to spend the money it is.

 

[HailBlazers]

Money, lol..

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, and it doesn't mention the ARPA.

You can't have it both ways. Either we interpret the constitution literally or we don't.

barfo

It doesn't mention muskets and cannons either. They raise an army, fund it, including those things and DARPA, too.

 

[magnifier661]

How dare people make money!!!! Let's tax the hell out of em and give it to welfare recipients that gain money by having more babies!

Drug problem? No problem!!! The rich will pay for your next fix. Jobless? That's okay, we will pay you to sit on your ass and not look for work.

We should give thanks for the hard working upper class. Without them, your life would be no better than the slug dragging their sorry ass through a salt mine

 

[Eastoff]

How dare people make money!!!! Let's tax the hell out of em and give it to welfare recipients that gain money by having more babies!

Drug problem? No problem!!! The rich will pay for your next fix. Jobless? That's okay, we will pay you to sit on your ass and not look for work.

We should give thanks for the hard working upper class. Without them, your life would be no better than the slug dragging their sorry ass through a salt mine

Says the guy whose father died and inherited how many millions?

My point being, I pay into unemployment insurance. I am going to be using that money I already paid into. The rich would be nothing without the workers or the consumers. The rich need the poor just as much as the poor need the rich. It's like a lion saying "Those lazy zebra don't want to die for me to eat anymore? Don't they know I help them by killing off the weak ones?"

 

[magnifier661]

Says the guy whose father died and inherited how many millions?

My point being, I pay into unemployment insurance. I am going to be using that money I already paid into. The rich would be nothing without the workers or the consumers. The rich need the poor just as much as the poor need the rich. It's like a lion saying "Those lazy zebra don't want to die for me to eat anymore? Don't they know I help them by killing off the weak ones?"

I didn't inherit shit. My mom is still alive. Are you trying to say I don't work hard? You got a lot of assumption for an angry liberal

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[magnifier661]

Also, my rant has nothing to do with the working class. I'm talking about the welfare loving, baby making, drug addicted lazy asses

 

[magnifier661]

Lol

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

 

[Eastoff]

I didn't inherit shit. My mom is still alive. Are you trying to say I don't work hard? You got a lot of assumption for an angry liberal

Okay, let me rephrase this, as you had struck a nerve and my response was over the top. Do you think you'd be in the position you're currently in at that company, had you been born to say Will Barton's neighbor growing up in Baltimore?

 

[magnifier661]

Okay, let me rephrase this, as you had struck a nerve and my response was over the top. Do you think you'd be in the position you're currently in at that company, had you been born to say Will Barton's neighbor growing up in Baltimore?

So let me get this straight. Because I was fortunate to grow up with parents that work hard to provide for their kids (going bankrupt twice in process)?

Or should I explain that our family didn't always have money. We had a family of 5 and lived in a 2 bedroom apartment in Clackamas after the first bankruptcy.

Then while I was in high school, we lived in the poor community in the Antelope Valley. My first car was a $300 Toyota pick-up.

I inherited a print shop that was in the red $5k every month. I worked 12 hour days, networking and building that business to earn $50k gross per month, from the previous $8k before that.

Also, I loaned my father money for the business that is successful now (200k). I didn't ask for a dime in return.

So don't go saying those without money can't be successful. And don't even think about trying to convince me that it's okay for big government to take my hard working money for a drug addicted fucked up welfare system of lazy pieces of shit

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i know a guy who has 3 kids with his GF, but she says he doesnt live there so "they have no income", she gets her 3 bedroom apartment for $120 a month. they always have a fat bag of weed and a big screen tv and new fancy phones and an xbox one and beer and all the junk food you can imagine. and she gets 10k a year in tax refunds with the child tax credit.

i know another girl who has housing paid in full, 4 kids, her BF hurt his back and has a prescription for oxycontin. he doesnt do them, so he sells them for thousands of dollars a month, and they have 2 new cars, diamond watches, 20k in recording equipment, etc, etc. she gets 10k+ at tax time as well.

this happens exactly like this a million times.

there are also a million single moms working 3 minimum wage jobs with 2 kids, no frills, no cable tv, no smartphone, etc, and need food stamps and or housing to survive.

not sure how to fix it, but, as they say, dont hate the player, hate the game

 

[barfo]

And don't even think about trying to convince me that it's okay for big government to take my hard working money for a drug addicted fucked up welfare system of lazy pieces of shit

So, what should be done with drug addicted fucked up lazy pieces of shit? Kill them? Let them starve to death or steal (assuming they aren't too lazy for that)? What's your solution?

barfo

 

[jlprk]

In Communist countries, you are guaranteed a job. You get benefits only if truly handicapped.

The Western welfare system is a bandage over unemployment. Except for the truly disabled, when there's no unemployment in a country, there's no welfare system.

 

[magnifier661]

So, what should be done with drug addicted fucked up lazy pieces of shit? Kill them? Let them starve to death or steal (assuming they aren't too lazy for that)? What's your solution?

barfo

Welfare would work if there are restrictions like random drug testing. If you fail, then you get your kids taken away from you and sent to a mandatory drug rehab.

For those without jobs, have an active "mandatory" work temp service.

There are answers that can have a finality. Train trees lazy bastards to stop being so fucking lazy. Ones that actually want to get out, can if they have help.

I'm not for giving out free money are you?

 

[barfo]

Welfare would work if there are restrictions like random drug testing. If you fail, then you get your kids taken away from you and sent to a mandatory drug rehab.

Wouldn't that drug rehab require big government taking your "hard working money"? And what are you going to do with the kids you take away that doesn't involve big government taking your hard working money? Put them to work in the mines?

For those without jobs, have an active "mandatory" work temp service.

There are answers that can have a finality. Train trees lazy bastards to stop being so fucking lazy.

Wait, training? Training lazy bastards costs money. Big government, again.

I'm not for giving out free money are you?

Sounds like you are for big government taking my hard working money. You communist.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Wouldn't that drug rehab require big government taking your "hard working money"? And what are you going to do with the kids you take away that doesn't involve big government taking your hard working money? Put them to work in the mines?

I don't mind giving up my money if its used wisely. Do you think our welfare system is sound? Do you even think its worth a shit how corrupt it is now?

Wait, training? Training lazy bastards costs money. Big government, again.

Yep, if Big Government is doing their "due diligence" and making a solution, then you won't ever hear me bitch about it.

Sounds like you are for big government taking my hard working money. You communist.

That wasn't an answer to the question. "I'm not for giving out free money are you?" Yes or no answer please.

 

[barfo]

"I'm not for giving out free money are you?" Yes or no answer please.

No. I will give out money, but not for free. I can make you a good deal on some US Dollars for only $1.20 each. Let me know how many you want.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sounds like you are for big government taking my hard working money. You communist.

barfo

I'm for big government taking your money. Just yours, though.