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There are several reasons to be excited about the Blazers going into next season:

1. Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster are no longer on the team. This is HUGE. I used to hold my breath every time one of those guys touched the ball, because something stupid usually quickly followed. As far as I'm concerned, we are now a smarter and better team because of these two subtractions.

2. Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, and Armon Johnson (who was high on the Knicks' wish list) have arrived. These 3 guys can all help us right away--and we are now stronger in outside shooting and at point guard. This should open up things more in the middle for our centers and forwards.

3. ODEN. He's going to be healthy from Day One, and now he's got an improved supporting cast. Admittedly, he may not make it through the season healthy, but I'm going to cross my fingers and believe.

4. The potential for a blockbuster trade . . . We have a wealth of players now, and we are deep at every position. This allows our new GM to wheel and deal and bring us a quality veteran, or even an All-Star.

In short, there is MUCH to be excited about. I really like the look of this team--and I think Babbitt has the potential to be a sleeper from this draft.
 
Totally Agree!

Wish all the good wasn't clouded over by the KP drama though, makes it hard to enjoy
 
shooter and hailblazers are both onto something here! :cheers:
 
To me, yesterday was like being promised Disneyland and getting Knott's Berry Farm instead.

It's all good.
 
I'm with you. I have a good feeling about next season (after having a bad feeling about last season before it started, we see how that went...)
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
The only thing that can save this off-season is CP3.

:pimp:
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I won't be CP3 now that they found a taker for Mo-Pete, but I'm going to call it, I say it's Tony Parker AND we won't have to give up Nic Batum to get him.

Miller, Rudy and Joel plus the draft rights to Claver. Not quite the aiming for the sky deal that Paul represents, but not bad nonetheless (I hope).
 
Shooter said:
There are several reasons to be excited about the Blazers going into next season:

1. Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster are no longer on the team. This is HUGE. I used to hold my breath every time one of those guys touched the ball, because something stupid usually quickly followed. As far as I'm concerned, we are now a smarter and better team because of these two subtractions.

2. Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, and Armon Johnson (who was high on the Knicks' wish list) have arrived. These 3 guys can all help us right away--and we are now stronger in outside shooting and at point guard. This should open up things more in the middle for our centers and forwards.

3. ODEN. He's going to be healthy from Day One, and now he's got an improved supporting cast. Admittedly, he may not make it through the season healthy, but I'm going to cross my fingers and believe.

4. The potential for a blockbuster trade . . . We have a wealth of players now, and we are deep at every position. This allows our new GM to wheel and deal and bring us a quality veteran, or even an All-Star.

In short, there is MUCH to be excited about. I really like the look of this team--and I think Babbitt has the potential to be a sleeper from this draft.
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These picks felt like Houston Rocket picks, quick guards that get in the lane and shoot. It will be interesting to see if any of them actually make the team though.
 
ABM said:
To me, yesterday was like being promised Disneyland and getting Knott's Berry Farm instead.

It's all good.
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More like looking forward to Disneyland, then getting stuck on the "It's a Small World" ride for two hours with screaming kids who need to go to the bathroom.

But it's time to move on I think.
 
noknobs said:
More like looking forward to Disneyland, then getting stuck on the "It's a Small World" ride for two hours with screaming kids who need to go to the bathroom.

But it's time to move on I think.
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Or better yet.. finding out Walley World is closed after driving a thousand or so miles.

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Nikolokolus said:
I won't be CP3 now that they found a taker for Mo-Pete, but I'm going to call it, I say it's Tony Parker AND we won't have to give up Nic Batum to get him.

Miller, Rudy and Joel plus the draft rights to Claver. Not quite the aiming for the sky deal that Paul represents, but not bad nonetheless (I hope).
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I'm guessing Pritchard set this one up on a platter, and now Paul Allen will get to take credit for it. Perfect world for Paul, but we all will know the truth.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I won't be CP3 now that they found a taker for Mo-Pete, but I'm going to call it, I say it's Tony Parker AND we won't have to give up Nic Batum to get him.

Miller, Rudy and Joel plus the draft rights to Claver. Not quite the aiming for the sky deal that Paul represents, but not bad nonetheless (I hope).
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I'd jump around with joy. Can't see it happening -- very much hope I'm wrong.
 
Sug said:
These picks felt like Houston Rocket picks, quick guards that get in the lane and shoot. It will be interesting to see if any of them actually make the team though.
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Well, if Williams isn't traded, he has to be on the team since he's a first round pick. :biglaugh:
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
You're such a DBag
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You already told PapaG, whoever that is, and me that earlier today.

Care to give another criticism on how Pritchard fucked up the Daequan Cook deal? That was hilarious.

Parker already talked to Batum and said he heard he may be traded to Portland. Who negotiated that deal, I wonder?
 
BGrantFan said:
Well, if Williams isn't traded, he has to be on the team since he's a first round pick. :biglaugh:
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Not necessarily. They could renounce him. Or he could go play in Europe. Or he could quit basketball. Or die.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not necessarily. They could renounce him. Or he could go play in Europe. Or he could quit basketball. Or die.

barfo
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Can you immediately renounce a first-round pick? I've never heard of that one before. Also, can he play in Europe if he's not already under a Euro contract?
 
BGrantFan said:
Can you immediately renounce a first-round pick? I've never heard of that one before.
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Yep, apparently it has been done before. Coon FAQ:

In 1996, rather than give their first round pick Travis Knight (29th overall) a three-year deal, the Bulls renounced him, making him a free agent.
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Also, can he play in Europe if he's not already under a Euro contract?
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Sure, by signing a Euro contract. Remember he's not under contract here yet.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yep, apparently it has been done before. Coon FAQ:

Sure, by signing a Euro contract. Remember he's not under contract here yet.

barfo
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That was under the previous CBA. Is that still valid under the new CBA?
 
Plus, if the plan is to renounce Williams, why draft the guy? Or are you just being obtuse?
 
BGrantFan said:
That was under the previous CBA. Is that still valid under the new CBA?
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Seems to be. The next comment in the FAQ is

45. If a first round draft pick is renounced, is he still bound to the salary scale for a first round pick?

No. The salary scale only applies to the team that drafts the player or the team to which the player's draft rights are traded. When Chicago renounced first round pick Travis Knight in 1996, he then signed with the Lakers for one year at the league minimum salary.

Note that this might actually work to the player's advantage. If he becomes an outstanding NBA player, then he would be eligible for a non-scale contract (and potentially a big payday), much sooner than if he had played under a scale contract. The same is true for second round draft picks, whose first contracts are usually for two seasons (with the second season at the team's option).
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barfo
 
BGrantFan said:
Plus, if the plan is to renounce Williams, why draft the guy? Or are you just being obtuse?
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I didn't say the plan was to renounce him, just that it could happen. I'm sure they didn't intend to when they drafted him. However, circumstances could change. For example, they might find out some horrible secret about him that makes him PR poison to have around, like he raped and killed his father. "Father-rapers, sitting right there on the bench next to me!"

barfo
 
barfo said:
I didn't say the plan was to renounce him, just that it could happen. I'm sure they didn't intend to when they drafted him. However, circumstances could change. For example, they might find out some horrible secret about him that makes him PR poison to have around, like he raped and killed his father. "Father-rapers, sitting right there on the bench next to me!"

barfo
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He has to at least be a cap-hold if renounced, though. I just don't see how it is possible to draft a player in the first round, hold him all summer and have him play in summer league, and then renounce him before camp with no penalty.

BrianfromWA, any thoughts?
 
BGrantFan said:
He has to at least be a cap-hold if renounced, though.
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No, there is a cap hold until he is signed or renounced (or until he signs with a non-NBA team). Then it goes away.

I just don't see how it is possible to draft a player in the first round, hold him all summer and have him play in summer league, and then renounce him before camp with no penalty.
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Well, if there is a penalty it is that the cap hold would apply until he was renounced, possibly limiting their options to do other things.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No, there is a cap hold until he is signed or renounced (or until he signs with a non-NBA team). Then it goes away.



Well, if there is a penalty it is that the cap hold would apply until he was renounced, possibly limiting their options to do other things.

barfo
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I was unaware of this, and I still don't completely believe it for a first-round pick in the new CBA. Was there a rookie cap in 1996?
 
BGrantFan said:
I was unaware of this, and I still don't completely believe it for a first-round pick in the new CBA. Was there a rookie cap in 1996?
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Coon said:
Beginning in 1995, salaries for first round picks were set according to a strict scale, determined by their exact draft position.
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If that's what you meant by rookie cap?

barfo
 
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