Why It’s Time Black People Simply Disengage With White People In Discussing Race

[Denny Crane]

The thing about white privilege is you don't realize you have most of it.

When you watch TV, you see mostly people the same color as you and are comfortable with it. These stations depict a lifestyle that is very different than what many or most blacks experience. When a black person watches TV, he has only a handful of stations that are mostly the same color as them and depict a lifestyle they can appreciate.

Not to stereotype, but think about food and restaurants. Euro centric, for sure. How many black food places? Chitlins and fried chicken and bbq, etc.?

Or when you go to the bank for a loan and it's no big deal to get it.

As I already said, the schools we get to attend are so much better, and they have no choice. Even in Boston when they bussed black kids to actual good schools, there were terrible race riots. Nice welcome.

I'm deliberately pointing out issues in Northern states. I cannot imagine how much worse it is in southern states, but I had a glimpse when I went to New Orleans on business once. It's a downright disgrace.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The thing about white privilege is you don't realize you have most of it.

When you watch TV, you see mostly people the same color as you and are comfortable with it. These stations depict a lifestyle that is very different than what many or most blacks experience. When a black person watches TV, he has only a handful of stations that are mostly the same color as them and depict a lifestyle they can appreciate.

Not to stereotype, but think about food and restaurants. Euro centric, for sure. How many black food places? Chitlins and fried chicken and bbq, etc.?

Or when you go to the bank for a loan and it's no big deal to get it.

As I already said, the schools we get to attend are so much better, and they have no choice. Even in Boston when they bussed black kids to actual good schools, there were terrible race riots. Nice welcome.

I'm deliberately pointing out issues in Northern states. I cannot imagine how much worse it is in southern states, but I had a glimpse when I went to New Orleans on business once. It's a downright disgrace.

My favorite TV shows involve workplaces more than homes.

My favorite restaurants are mexican and BBQ joints.

I haven't gone to a bank for a loan in over a decade.

My school district (Parkrose) was less than 50% white.

I don't doubt that I experience white privilege, but your examples are terrible.

 

[Denny Crane]

My favorite TV shows involve workplaces more than homes.

My favorite restaurants are mexican and BBQ joints.

I haven't gone to a bank for a loan in over a decade.

My school district (Parkrose) was less than 50% white.

I don't doubt that I experience white privilege, but your examples are terrible.

My point is that you don't see most of it. Your questioning my examples is a perfect case in point.

 

[Natebishop3]

The thing about white privilege is you don't realize you have most of it.

When you watch TV, you see mostly people the same color as you and are comfortable with it. These stations depict a lifestyle that is very different than what many or most blacks experience. When a black person watches TV, he has only a handful of stations that are mostly the same color as them and depict a lifestyle they can appreciate.

Not to stereotype, but think about food and restaurants. Euro centric, for sure. How many black food places? Chitlins and fried chicken and bbq, etc.?

Or when you go to the bank for a loan and it's no big deal to get it.

As I already said, the schools we get to attend are so much better, and they have no choice. Even in Boston when they bussed black kids to actual good schools, there were terrible race riots. Nice welcome.

I'm deliberately pointing out issues in Northern states. I cannot imagine how much worse it is in southern states, but I had a glimpse when I went to New Orleans on business once. It's a downright disgrace.

The thing about a free market is that if there is money to be made, people will do it.

There aren't a lot of black restaurants in Portland because we don't have a large black population. Conversely, we have a shit ton of Mexican joints out in Hillsboro because we have a fairly large Mexican population.

A lot of money is spent determining what advertising will have the most success, and at what time of the day, and on what channels. You probably don't see a lot of black people on TV because you're watching old white guy shows (cough Boston Legal cough cough).

 

[Denny Crane]

The thing about a free market is that if there is money to be made, people will do it.

A lot of money is spent determining what advertising will have the most success, and at what time of the day, and on what channels. You probably don't see a lot of black people on TV because you're watching old white guy shows (cough Boston Legal cough cough).

The market isn't free if white people collude to keep blacks out. That's how the schools got the way they did and how blacks are redlined for jobs and loans.

I see black people on TV, but rarely are they depicting how most black people actually live.

Cornbread, Earl, and Me is a lot closer to the truth than the Cosby Show.

 

[Natebishop3]

The market isn't free if white people collude to keep blacks out. That's how the schools got the way they did and how blacks are redlined for jobs and loans.

I see black people on TV, but rarely are they depicting how most black people actually live.

Cornbread, Earl, and Me is a lot closer to the truth than the Cosby Show.

Since when is TV a realistic depiction of how anyone lives? Is 'Friends" an accurate depiction of life in NYC for white people?

 

[riverman]

I met dviss and I guarantee you, he doesn't hate white people. Folks need to stop projecting that. I admire his passion and we all get heated about shit from time to time. These conversations just don't happen for the majority of people. A little humor goes a long way when sensitive issues are discussed. Where's Homer?

 

[Denny Crane]

Since when is TV a realistic depiction of how anyone lives? Is 'Friends" an accurate depiction of life in NYC for white people?

"Art imitates life."

That's what hollywood says.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Since when is TV a realistic depiction of how anyone lives? Is 'Friends" an accurate depiction of life in NYC for white people?

Denny pays for this forum by making and selling blue meth.

 

[Natebishop3]

I met dviss and I guarantee you, he doesn't hate white people. Folks need to stop projecting that. I admire his passion and we all get heated about shit from time to time. These conversations just don't happen for the majority of people. A little humor goes a long way when sensitive issues are discussed. Where's Homer?

You misunderstand. That's exactly my point. He's super nice to white people in person, and he has white friends, but he clearly has all these emotions and opinions about "white people" in general. That's the whole joke about "I'm not racist! I have black friends."

You can still have friends who are black or white, but still have racist opinions about that race as a whole.

"Well Frank is white, but Frank is fine because he "gets it."

 

[crandc]

I got pulled over by a cop for a routine traffic issue. He warned me and then smiled. The worst that I figured would have happened is a ticket.

 

[riverman]

I've been hassled by cops throughout my life but I'm sure it does not compare to what an African American has to tolerate on a regular basis. I think it's human nature to connect to a complaint with a personal memory and voice it. My complaints are a speck of dust on the table of grievances in the world.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dc4fd0-6945-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

Trump is planning trips to urban areas — with stops at churches, charter schools and small businesses in black and Latino communities — and is developing an empowerment agenda based on the economy and education, aides said. Under consideration is an early September visit to Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

Trump’s team also hopes to exploit what the campaign’s internal poll of black voters nationally shows to be a potential vulnerability for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton once voters are informed of the crime policy record of former president Bill Clinton, according to two Trump associates.

(OK, so he's racist, but this is incredibly unique for a Republican presidential candidate)

 

[riverman]

This is interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dc4fd0-6945-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

Trump is planning trips to urban areas — with stops at churches, charter schools and small businesses in black and Latino communities — and is developing an empowerment agenda based on the economy and education, aides said. Under consideration is an early September visit to Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

Trump’s team also hopes to exploit what the campaign’s internal poll of black voters nationally shows to be a potential vulnerability for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton once voters are informed of the crime policy record of former president Bill Clinton, according to two Trump associates.

(OK, so he's racist, but this is incredibly unique for a Republican presidential candidate)

Gary Johnson will never catch up touring the country on his bicycle

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

But white privilege has become the defacto reason to resent and hate white people. Whether it exists is not the issue. Nobody refutes that fact that black people are discriminated against. But to heap this one advantage onto all white people, and then disqualify them from having an opinion because of that one advantage, discounts the discrimination that many white Americans face in other parts of society. There is still discrimination against gays, against women, against the poor. If you walk into a high end store, and you're wearing some shabby clothes, how much credibility will you have with the sales staff? You can be the pastiest mother fucker in there, but if you don't look like you have money, you're going to get treated badly. That's discrimination.

Discrimination exists. Period. On many levels and in many ways. It's not okay to silence people because you don't think they understand simply because they're white.

I dont disagree.

 

[dviss1]

But white privilege has become the defacto reason to resent and hate white people. Whether it exists is not the issue. Nobody refutes that fact that black people are discriminated against. But to heap this one advantage onto all white people, and then disqualify them from having an opinion because of that one advantage, discounts the discrimination that many white Americans face in other parts of society. There is still discrimination against gays, against women, against the poor. If you walk into a high end store, and you're wearing some shabby clothes, how much credibility will you have with the sales staff? You can be the pastiest mother fucker in there, but if you don't look like you have money, you're going to get treated badly. That's discrimination.

Discrimination exists. Period. On many levels and in many ways. It's not okay to silence people because you don't think they understand simply because they're white.

We don't hate white people who don't understand their privilege. HUGE assumption. We're frustrated by their lack of insight.

 

[dviss1]

This is interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dc4fd0-6945-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

Trump is planning trips to urban areas — with stops at churches, charter schools and small businesses in black and Latino communities — and is developing an empowerment agenda based on the economy and education, aides said. Under consideration is an early September visit to Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

Trump’s team also hopes to exploit what the campaign’s internal poll of black voters nationally shows to be a potential vulnerability for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton once voters are informed of the crime policy record of former president Bill Clinton, according to two Trump associates.

(OK, so he's racist, but this is incredibly unique for a Republican presidential candidate)

Hilarious.

 

[dviss1]

You misunderstand. That's exactly my point. He's super nice to white people in person, and he has white friends, but he clearly has all these emotions and opinions about "white people" in general. That's the whole joke about "I'm not racist! I have black friends."

You can still have friends who are black or white, but still have racist opinions about that race as a whole.

"Well Frank is white, but Frank is fine because he "gets it."

Yeah. Fuck Racist white people. Yup. Got me there....

 

[Denny Crane]

Hilarious.

Who ruined Detroit?

Why won't Rachel Maddow do her thing on what happened to Detroit?

 

[dviss1]

Who ruined Detroit?

Why won't Rachel Maddow do her thing on what happened to Detroit?

Maybe it was democrats I'm in the fuck both parties position now. I know who ruined Flint.

 

[Denny Crane]

Maybe it was democrats I'm in the fuck both parties position now. I know who ruined Flint.

Google Harold Washington.

 

[dviss1]

You misunderstand. That's exactly my point. He's super nice to white people in person, and he has white friends, but he clearly has all these emotions and opinions about "white people" in general. That's the whole joke about "I'm not racist! I have black friends."

You can still have friends who are black or white, but still have racist opinions about that race as a whole.

"Well Frank is white, but Frank is fine because he "gets it."

You don't truly believe that I'm referring to all white people do you? Truly?

What I can say is I think most white people don't care. Otherwise they'd challenge the racists with us. Just like I know all cops aren't bad. But the good ones who don't challenge the bad ones are complicit and part of the problem.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Since when is TV a realistic depiction of how anyone lives? Is 'Friends" an accurate depiction of life in NYC for white people?

Wha...???? My Beaver Cleaver childhood was nothing but a lie?????

 

[dviss1]

Google Harold Washington.

Look Denny I'd vote for anyone red, blue, white, black, ect. if I believed they'd do something about this shit. But I'm not looking for leadership. I'm looking for representation.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You don't truly believe that I'm referring to all white people do you? Truly?

What I can say is I think most white people don't care. Otherwise they'd challenge the racists with us. Just like I know all cops aren't bad. But the good ones who don't challenge the bad ones are complicit and part of the problem.

I think you confuse "not caring" with "not believing I can effect change".

 

[Denny Crane]

Look Denny I'd vote for anyone red, blue, white, black, ect. if I believed they'd do something about this shit. But I'm not looking for leadership. I'm looking for representation.

Washington was the first black mayor of Chicago. So many Democrats in the city voted for a no-name republican Bernard Epton that the race was really close. No previously elected democrat mayor received less than ~80% of the vote.

 

[MarAzul]

I removed the first sentence of your post because of personal insult.

I don't know what he said of course, but you do mess up quite a few posts that way. You do know, what you infer is not always what others will infer or what someone attempted to imply.

 

[Natebishop3]

You don't truly believe that I'm referring to all white people do you? Truly?

What I can say is I think most white people don't care. Otherwise they'd challenge the racists with us. Just like I know all cops aren't bad. But the good ones who don't challenge the bad ones are complicit and part of the problem.

This applies to everything in our lives. I think most of us KNOW that the government is fucking us over. We KNOW that Hillary is a dirty piece of shit. But what can we do about it? So we do nothing. We see corruption. We see the NSA violating our rights.

But as long as the internet works, there's still Blazer games, we can buy food and live comfortably, most people don't do shit. Oh sure, they might make a post of solidarity on Facebook. They might change their profile picture. But that's it. This latest election has really shown people that we don't matter. Our opinions don't matter. Our votes don't matter. So yes, people see racism. They see discrimination. Or maybe they don't. Maybe we don't see it on a daily basis, so we know it exists, but it exists somewhere else. They think, "It's not our problem because it doesn't exist near me." Sure, they might speak up if I saw something, but they never see anything, so they don't do anything.

 

[riverman]

Wha...???? My Beaver Cleaver childhood was nothing but a lie?????

The Groucho Marx show changed my life

 

[MarAzul]

Black people, it is long past time for us to start practicing in self care.

This will be the last time I engage with y'all about race.

Wow! This is wonderful. I wish you God's Speed, things are indeed in great need. The sooner you can bring change for the better, everyone will benefit.