Why It’s Time Black People Simply Disengage With White People In Discussing Race

[PtldPlatypus]

Because it seems to me that you're making it a debate over what's the correct way to be a Muslim, or the correct way to be a Christian. I.E. if you don't follow Christ or Mohammed in this way, you're not really a member of that faith. Or at least you're defending people who would have that opinion.

Would the attackers on 9/11 consider themselves Muslim? I'm sure they would probably say the exact same thing that you're saying. That Muslims who do not believe as they do are not Muslims at all. So rather than argue over which Muslim is a true Muslim, why aren't they all Muslims?

This stance by the people who disagree seems..... I'm not sure of the best way to put this...... narrow minded? I'm not trying to be insulting. I just don't understand how this is something that can be debated. If they're not Muslims, what are they? That's an honest question. What would you call them? They follow the teachings of Mohammed (as interpreted by them) and they believe in Allah. I'm just not sure what more they need to be classified as a Muslim. It seems more like the masses want to reject those people because it makes them look bad, but in my opinion the dark underbelly of organized religion is there, and people should stop pretending like it doesn't exist. There IS a negative interpretation of the Bible, or the Koran. That's the problem with taking a book written thousands of years ago literally.

I can understand why people would want to erase the embarrassing moments from their past, but if Christians chose to disregard the darker periods in their history, it would marginalize the growth and evolution of their religion. So if Muslims refuse to claim the radical side of Islam, they're never going to grow past it.

I'm not a member of the Muslim faith, so I can't answer the question of what they should be called. IMO, it's not my place to judge, nor is it Bill O'Reilly's. In that discussion, I defer to Muslims.

I do find it amusing that you call considering another perspective narrow minded. However, I legitimately thank you for your willingness to further explain your viewpoint. To me, that's the whole purpose of these forums.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not a member of the Muslim faith, so I can't answer the question of what they should be called. IMO, it's not my place to judge, nor is it Bill O'Reilly's. In that discussion, I defer to Muslims.

I do find it amusing that you call considering another perspective narrow minded. However, I legitimately thank you for your willingness to further explain your viewpoint. To me, that's the whole purpose of these forums.

I didn't say that you were narrow minded. I said that the people who flat out disregard radical Islam as not being Muslims to be narrow minded.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm baptized.... is that good enough?

I went to Preschool and Kindergarten at a Christian school, still not enough?

I went to a Lutheran church for years, and I went through the confirmation process,

I would say, your actions make you a Christian or not. The above steps are simply road markers on the journey you took.

I would also say that judging whether a Muslim is member of Islam by their actions is not the same as judging whether a Christian is a Christian or not, by their action. Jesus did not teach exclusion like the concept of how to deal with Infidels. Jesus did not teach the concept of Jihad. There is not a moral equivalence between the two religions to judge people by their actions. I think some may see an equivalence between the old Judaism as seen in the Torah (Old Testament) and Islam, but that was reformed by Jesus, not Mohammad.

A person that claims to be a Christian, but then slaughters people for what ever reason is not following the teachings of Jesus. Not likely a good Christian either.

However, A Muslim on Jihad that slaughters people may be following the teachings of Mohammad, even though other Muslims might not approve of the actions.

A Muslim might kill several Gay people and be considered a good Muslim by some followers and perhaps not others, but he is following a Hadith of Mohammed.

A Muslim might take hostages whom he considers and Infidel, ransom them and feel he is in good stead with Allah, and his fellow followers of Islam. Some Muslims will agree and others will disapprove, while we probably will consider the SOB a pirate.

People following Islam do not have the same moral code as Christians (or their atheist brethren in the west) although it appears, some Muslims in the West do. Some are trying to reform Islam.

 

[riverman]

But that's entirely the point. People get to decide for themselves. It's not up to others to decide whether you are or are not a member of that faith. People are selectively choosing not to recognize others as Christians or Muslims because they're embarrassed by how those groups behave. How they represent their religion. And while I can sympathize with their reasons, I do not agree that they can pick and choose what defines a member.

that's sort of like saying they can choose but yet they can't choose isn't it??

 

[Natebishop3]

that's sort of like saying they can choose but yet they can't choose isn't it??

I feel like you're not understanding. My point is inclusion, not exclusion.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

every black friend ive ever had (and most of the brown friends too) have been called a nigger by a complete stranger on the street.

but racism doesnt exist.

 

[Natebishop3]

but racism doesnt exist.

Who is saying this? Who is even remotely saying this?

 

[riverman]

Who is saying this? Who is even remotely saying this?

I took that as pure sarcasm...don't see how you could read it and take it literally

 

[Natebishop3]

I took that as pure sarcasm...don't see how you could read it and take it literally

Absolutely there was sarcasm.... but it was aimed at someone. I just want to know what the point is of that statement when nobody is saying that racism is gone.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Who is saying this? Who is even remotely saying this?

It affects me because I keep hearing about it. Black people are not "impacted daily" by injustice. Some black people want you to believe that so you'll feel sorry for them and give them special treatment, and other black people are brainwashed into believing that, and use it as a scapegoat for why they are losers.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a pretty big leap to insinuate that he believes that racism doesn't exist anymore on any level.

There's a difference between "zero racism" and "impacted daily," as he said. Honestly, I have no idea what the daily life is a black person is like, but I also highly doubt that every single black person has the exact same experience on a daily basis. Just as I doubt every single white person has the same experience on a daily basis.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's a pretty big leap to insinuate that he believes that racism doesn't exist anymore on any level.

There's a difference between "zero racism" and "impacted daily," as he said. Honestly, I have no idea what the daily life is a black person is like, but I also highly doubt that every single black person has the exact same experience on a daily basis. Just as I doubt every single white person has the same experience on a daily basis.

Shit that happens to you once can impact your life for years. Paying 20 percent interest on furniture, being stuck in a shitty school, being in a neighborhood surrounded by freeways with no grocery stores in the area. I'm going off of the top of my head.

Just things like that can impact you forever. Those fucking schools are a joke. How could anyone learn anything?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That's a pretty big leap to insinuate that he believes that racism doesn't exist anymore on any level.

There's a difference between "zero racism" and "impacted daily," as he said. Honestly, I have no idea what the daily life is a black person is like, but I also highly doubt that every single black person has the exact same experience on a daily basis. Just as I doubt every single white person has the same experience on a daily basis.

However, if the current narrative is that we continuously benefit from our white privilege, most of the time without our awareness, isn't the flip side of that coin that black people are feeling the negative effects thereof just as often? So by that logic, is it inaccurate to say that black people are--or at least believe they are--impacted by racial inequality--also referred to as institutional racism--on a daily basis?

 

[Natebishop3]

However, if the current narrative is that we continuously benefit from our white privilege, most of the time without our awareness, isn't the flip side of that coin that black people are feeling the negative effects thereof just as often? So by that logic, is it inaccurate to say that black people are--or at least believe they are--impacted by racial inequality--also referred to as institutional racism--on a daily basis?

As I said, I have no idea man. I have no clue what a black person deals with on a day to day basis.

But, I also have no idea what you deal with on a daily basis.

 

[Natebishop3]

Shit that happens to you once can impact your life for years. Paying 20 percent interest on furniture, being stuck in a shitty school, being in a neighborhood surrounded by freeways with no grocery stores in the area. I'm going off of the top of my head.

Just things like that can impact you forever. Those fucking schools are a joke. How could anyone learn anything?

I'm not necessarily defending him, just pointing out the difference between what he said and what was implied.

 

[riverman]

Shit that happens to you once can impact your life for years. Paying 20 percent interest on furniture, being stuck in a shitty school, being in a neighborhood surrounded by freeways with no grocery stores in the area. I'm going off of the top of my head.

Just things like that can impact you forever. Those fucking schools are a joke. How could anyone learn anything?

Get a library card....I learned more there than from most teachers on a high school level.

 

[Hobbesarable]

This. I had to do exactly what you said while going through the PPS system.

It's easier now with the internet.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Are you guys saying kids from inner city homes that don't have parents who teach them to read before kindergarten are supposed to somehow overcome an overcrowded, underfunded and maybe even dangerous school?

It's possible but come on. Most of us learn from our upbringing, the school isn't going to change your whole environment. Neither is the library.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm not necessarily defending him, just pointing out the difference between what he said and what was implied.

I know and I'm just pointing out that everything we experience adds up in our lives. If not for A B C and D I wouldn't be where I am today.

I'm sure the same holds for people who get screwed over left and right.

 

[Natebishop3]

I know and I'm just pointing out that everything we experience adds up in our lives. If not for A B C and D I wouldn't be where I am today.

I'm sure the same holds for people who get screwed over left and right.

I'm sure you're right. I'm sure it's hard not to hate all white people if some white people treat you badly.

 

[riverman]

Are you guys saying kids from inner city homes that don't have parents who teach them to read before kindergarten are supposed to somehow overcome an overcrowded, underfunded and maybe even dangerous school?

It's possible but come on. Most of us learn from our upbringing, the school isn't going to change your whole environment. Neither is the library.

at some point you stop following and start doing....the library can change your whole environment...it changed my life...it's not the place it's what you do with it..don't be part of "most of us"....be different

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

at some point you stop following and start doing....the library can change your whole environment...it changed my life...it's not the place it's what you do with it..don't be part of "most of us"....be different

I'm about as different as they come. Expecting a million underprivileged kids to better themselves by going to the library is a stretch of epic proportions.

The system sets them up for failure. One of my favorite lines from a song is "we never failed to fail, it was the easiest thing to do"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Who is saying this? Who is even remotely saying this?

i could post all 10 million hits on google but that would take, like, forever.

 

[Natebishop3]

i could post all 10 million hits on google but that would take, like, forever.

Well, I kinda meant.... like.... on here. Ya know?

 

[riverman]

I'm about as different as they come. Expecting a million underprivileged kids to better themselves by going to the library is a stretch of epic proportions.

The system sets them up for failure. One of my favorite lines from a song is "we never failed to fail, it was the easiest thing to do"

That lyric is the opposite of what kids should do....you have the internet, if your family is poor, it's free at the library...I learned to prepare myself for life doing my own homework and the library is filled with kids whose mom and dad are at the bar. I don't know why you'd disregard it but dude...you make of it what you want...if you give up you don't become the next Damian Lillard from Oakland.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Well, I kinda meant.... like.... on here. Ya know?

i dont know i have everyone on ignore except you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

i dont know i have everyone on ignore except you.

That hurts.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That lyric is the opposite of what kids should do....you have the internet, if your family is poor, it's free at the library...I learned to prepare myself for life doing my own homework and the library is filled with kids whose mom and dad are at the bar. I don't know why you'd disregard it but dude...you make of it what you want...if you give up you don't become the next Damian Lillard from Oakland.

Who taught you the ABC's and how to read? If Bill Gates was neglected and nobody taught him the basics do you really think the library would have helped?

This isn't kids who are a little behind, they are like computers with no programming. You can't expect that from them.

No Child Left Behind??????? Bullshit.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://abc7news.com/news/cousin-of-bulls-star-dwyane-wade-shot-killed-in-chicago/1486863/

 

[riverman]

Who taught you the ABC's and how to read? If Bill Gates was neglected and nobody taught him the basics do you really think the library would have helped?

This isn't kids who are a little behind, they are like computers with no programming. You can't expect that from them.

No Child Left Behind??????? Bullshit.

good luck with all that.....who taught me to read?.....I learned to read...I paid attention...not that that is important
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