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Phatguysrule said:
What did he say? I see it in the headline, but I don't see a quote that says anything about Nazis. Maybe I'm just missing it?
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His Press Secretary made it on his behalf, but I really don't get caught up in all of that. At any rate, it doesn't really seem to matter what you say, or don't say, anymore. Detractors/supporters are huge on either side. Sure, DeSantis has his detractors. He has his supporters, as well. At this point, I'd say more supporters, than not. Is it all politically motivated? Who's to say.

https://forward.com/news/522802/desantis-antisemitism-jewish/
 
According to the article, some Orthodox support him because he hates gays.
 
ABM said:
His Press Secretary made it on his behalf, but I really don't get caught up in all of that. At any rate, it doesn't really seem to matter what you say, or don't say, anymore. Detractors/supporters are huge on either side. Sure, DeSantis has his detractors. He has his supporters, as well. At this point, I'd say more supporters, than not. Is it all politically motivated? Who's to say.

https://forward.com/news/522802/desantis-antisemitism-jewish/
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Hitler had supporters as well. So does Putin.

Again, if he's not publicly condemning Nazis then he's courting them. He's had ample opportunity to do so and you can't find one direct quote. That should tell you something.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Hitler had supporters as well. So does Putin.

Again, if he's not publicly condemning Nazis then he's courting them. He's had ample opportunity to do so and you can't find one direct quote. That should tell you something.
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In that article, DeSantis had/has support from conservative Jews. I'm not so sure Hitler had support from Jews of any type. Bringing Putin into the equation is nonsensical.

Point the finger at DeSantis all you'd like. He's not a Jew hater.
 
crandc said:
According to the article, some Orthodox support him because he hates gays.
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That's partially why I said this:

......it doesn't really seem to matter what you say, or don't say, anymore. Detractors/supporters are huge on either side.
 
ABM said:
In that article, DeSantis had/has support from conservative Jews. I'm not so sure Hitler had support from Jews of any type. Bringing Putin into the equation is nonsensical.

Point the finger at DeSantis all you'd like. He's not a Jew hater.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

There were in fact Jews that supported Hitler, and as per the Wiki article:

A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism was only for the purpose of "stirring up the masses".[1]

The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".
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So yes, although I don't think DeSantis is anywhere near as bad as Hitler, he doesn't have, nor does he cultivate, the same kinds of cult of personality that Hitler had. But the fact is dangerous people are even more dangerous when they are in power, which is what concerns people about DeSantis.
 
ABM said:
In that article, DeSantis had/has support from conservative Jews. I'm not so sure Hitler had support from Jews of any type. Bringing Putin into the equation is nonsensical.

Point the finger at DeSantis all you'd like. He's not a Jew hater.
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When did I say he hated Jews? Why are you changing the subject? He is refusing to condemn Nazis. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter who supports him because we have proof that selfish and bigoted people will support evil people.
 
Voodoo said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

There were in fact Jews that supported Hitler, and as per the Wiki article:



So yes, although I don't think DeSantis is anywhere near as bad as Hitler, he doesn't have, nor does he cultivate, the same kinds of cult of personality that Hitler had. But the fact is dangerous people are even more dangerous when they are in power, which is what concerns people about DeSantis.
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His office (on DeSantis' behalf) completely condemned anti-semitism. What you're saying is, because it appears this didn't come straight from his mouth necessarily means he has no problems with it.

From the article I posted:

.....Pushaw later tweeted, “@GovRonDeSantis has ALWAYS condemned antisemitic attacks & hatred, and he always will. To suggest otherwise is just plain wrong. I am confident that Florida law enforcement will respond appropriately and justice will be served to any protester who violates the law.”
 
Phatguysrule said:
When did I say he hated Jews? Why are you changing the subject? He is refusing to condemn Nazis. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter who supports him because we have proof that selfish and bigoted people will support evil people.
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See above.
 
ABM said:
His office (on DeSantis' behalf) completely condemned anti-semitism. What you're saying is, because it appears this didn't come straight from his mouth necessarily means he has no problems with it.

From the article I posted:

.....Pushaw later tweeted, “@GovRonDeSantis has ALWAYS condemned antisemitic attacks & hatred, and he always will. To suggest otherwise is just plain wrong. I am confident that Florida law enforcement will respond appropriately and justice will be served to any protester who violates the law.”
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Dunning Kruger in full effect!
 
Many of you highly dislike (even hate?) Ron DeSantis, both, as a politician and/or a human being. By the same token, I support the man and would vote for him were I to live in Florida full-time. In these efforts, I'll continue to support and make posts about him. After all, this is a DeSantis thread. YMMV.
 
ABM said:
Dunning-Kruger has been debunked. You, of all people, should be cognizant of that......I think.
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There are people who think they're smarter than they really are (coughcough)...that's not something you can debunk.
 
ABM said:
Many of you highly dislike (even hate?) Ron DeSantis, both, as a politician and/or a human being. By the same token, I support the man and would vote for him were I to live in Florida full-time. In these efforts, I'll continue to support and make posts about him. After all, this is a DeSantis thread. YMMV.
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I don't know him personally. I know he refuses to condemn Nazis who are stumping for him.

I know he has no problem lying to desperate people and spending millions of taxpayer dollars sending these poor people who had to flee their home on a cruel trip thousands of miles from the a mandatory appointment he scheduled them, which if they missed could make them ineligible to receive the help they desperately need.

He has no problem trying to harm people who are not harming or threatening anyone else.

Feel free to keep posting about and supporting him. I have yet to see anything good about the man.

So don't be surprised when people associate you with his despicable behavior as they have done with Trump and Walker.
 
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julius said:
There are people who think they're smarter than they really are (coughcough)...that's not something you can debunk.
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Your mirror has a nice trim around it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't know him personally. I know he refuses to condemn Nazis who are stumping for him.

I know he has no problem lying to desperate people and spending millions of taxpayer dollars sending these poor people who had to flee their home on a cruel trip thousands of miles from the a mandatory appointment he scheduled them, which if they missed could make them ineligible to receive the help they desperately need.

He has no problem trying to harm people who are not harming or threatening anyone else.

Feel free to keep posting about and supporting him. I have yet to see anything good about the man.

So don't be surprised when people associate you with his despicable behavior as they have done with Trump and Walker.
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And your arguments can be countered by many who have widely different viewpoints than yours. Fair enough.
 
ABM said:
Your mirror has a nice trim around it.
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dude, you didn't finish HS, I went to grad school. Don't come to a gun fight with a fork.
 
Has ABM asked himself why Nazis love the people he votes for?
Forget for a moment whether DeSantis said nazis are bad or not (he really didn't).

How many Nazis paraded for Elizabeth Warren? Bernie Sanders? Joe Biden? Liz Cheney? John McCain? Barack Obama?
If any did, those patriots would have reminded them this country fought a war against assholes like them.
 
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tlongII said:
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...esantis-condemns-nazi-rally-in-orange-county/
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That was posted earlier.
First of all, state law enforcement is going to hold them accountable because they were doing stuff on the overpass. So they’re gonna absolutely going to do that, and they should do that,” DeSantis said.

DeSantis went on to say Florida is one of the No. 1 destinations for “Orthodox Jews” because the state “(provides) tremendous support,” as far as business and education goes, and will continue to do so.
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Priority number 1, denouncing them being on the overpass. No quote about denouncing nazis though.
 
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