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RR7 said:
So if systemic racism isn't effecting you and those in your lilly white suburb, it doesn't really exist? I remember shortly after moving to Portland having a conservative friend here saying how racism wasn't really that big of an issue. Of course, he spent his whole life in Portland, around like 90% white people, so it's easy to think that.
It takes a real concerted effort to look at the country as a whole, and try to pretend that systemic racism, and a byproduct, white privilege, does not exist.
And denying its existence helps to keep it going. Denying there's a problem is a big part of the problem.
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Again, so you accept it's a big part of our existence, what are you doing about it?
 
MadeFromDust said:
1000% true. I hear this thrown around constantly without a shred of evidence that it actually exists.
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1619 Project. Several hundred pages of documented evidence.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry over a couple of white Christian hetero men solemnly declaring systemic racism doesn't exist. Because of course they are experts!
 
Democrats and the Left want black people to view themselves as hopeless victims. Because why try if there is no point in trying? Just depend on the government because they know what's best for you, and wait for that welfare check to come in the mail because they care so deeply for you.

The act is getting old and I'm glad so many young black people are starting to wake up.
 
crandc said:
1619 Project. Several hundred pages of documented evidence.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry over a couple of white Christian hetero men solemnly declaring systemic racism doesn't exist. Because of course they are experts!
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Trust me, it's more than a couple of Christian hetero men, sis.
 
ABM said:
Again, so you accept it's a big part of our existence, what are you doing about it?
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I'm acknowledging it exists. When you get there, if you ever do, we can discuss what I'm doing.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The majority of areas that were accused by the Trump of committing voting fraud were minority communities.

Trump's people targeted counties with large black and latino populations.

Since none of those accusations were based on fact or reality that is targeted racism.
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This discussion is about Trump? Coulda fooled me.
 
MadeFromDust said:
I'm grateful to live in a country that where through hard work and dedication there is no limit to what you can achieve. I happen to follow many individuals who are black or otherwise who have lived out this dream in their lives

It's a shame so many Liberals have lost sight of this fact.
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FIFY.
 
RR7 said:
I'm acknowledging it exists. When you get there, if you ever do, we can discuss what I'm doing.
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What is the message to the countless Black people who aren't affected by systemic racism? Help join in the fight?
 
Was systemic racism ever a thing? If so, at what point did we overcome it?
 
MadeFromDust said:
I'm grateful to live in a country that where through hard work and dedication there is no limit to what you can achieve. I happen to follow many individuals who are black or otherwise who have lived out this dream in their lives
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If they notice you, do they start to walk faster, or cross the street?

barfo
 
ABM said:
Again, what are you personally doing about systemic racism? Do you have a plan of action? Enlighten me.
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This is like personally solving climate change. Or personally saving the rainforests.

Pointless. Literally helps nothing.

Supporting improved access to education, healthcare, and empowering the middle class and poor is how you solve these problems, coupled with science based legislation.

"Personally doing something" may make you feel better, but so does jerking off. And it accomplishes pretty much the same thing.
 
ABM said:
So....what do you plan to do about systemic racism?
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First recognize it and then care about it. Not saying you don't care about it because I know you do, but I am saying you need to recognize it.
 
crandc said:
There is no one in America, of any color, unaffected. No matter how much I despise racism I know, as a white woman, I have benefited by white privilege.
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I remember working in Atlanta as a hod carrier for my brick layer father who had a small crew of brick layers and hod carriers who started his crew by hiring this big Black man as a hod carrier. He would go off in the near by woods to eat his lunch alone. I invited him to eat lunch with us but he was silent as he continued to eat lunch alone in the woods. My father explained that Blacks were uncomfortable eating with Whites but I felt and still do that it wasn't right for them to not be included in our social activities. I was 17 and it was 1965.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is like personally solving climate change. Or personally saving the rainforests.

Pointless. Literally helps nothing.

Supporting improved access to education, healthcare, and empowering the middle class and poor is how you solve these problems, coupled with science based legislation.

"Personally doing something" may make you feel better, but so does jerking off. And it accomplishes pretty much the same thing.
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OK, so, we had a Black president for 8 years. What did he do to quell so-called systemic racism? Another POTUS I know of claimed, "The buck stops here." I mean, does it?
 
crandc said:
There is no one in America, of any color, unaffected. No matter how much I despise racism I know, as a white woman, I have benefited by white privilege.
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So, it's a matter of making you feel uncomfortable to effect true change? And, if so, what does that look like?
 
I have no idea what ABM is talking about. I can say this. Yes, you do have to be uncomfortable to make changes. If you delude yourself by saying racism, misogyny, homophobia, religious bigotry don't exist, not only can nothing change, but then the only explanation for poorer situation of Black people from higher infant mortality to earlier death, must be due to innate inferiority. Lack of women in positions of power must be our little lady brains can't compete.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
"Tell me why I should show black people the same respect I demand they give me? I've earned it from them, what have they done to earn it from me?"

- ABM
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You're so full of crap, John. Stay in Mexico!
 
Do you actually get paid to run this place?
 
Again, Systemic racism exists. It is ingrained in the very fabric our countries history. When the colonists came over, before the constitution they held black people as slaves. When the constitution was written, it was written for white men. Not for Black people. Not for women. Both of who were subjects, things owned by white men. They had no rights. Blacks were seen as less than white men, as kin to animals.

It took almost a hundred years to finally free black people and they still weren't really free. They were still seen an unequal. It took years to get the right to vote, to get other rights.

Still, they were called terrible names, weren't allowed to share the same neighborhoods, schools, stores, fountains. They were still hung, dragged behind trucks, beaten, killed because the color of their skin.

And despite all the civil rights movements and the progress we have made, it is still there.

Cops shooting black people as a first resort after pulling them over, prisons overcrowded with black people who got longer sentences then white people for lesser crimes. White people own 90% of America's wealth. Qualified black people getting passed over on jobs for lesser qualified white people. Higher unemployment rates among black people. Homeownership by black people is at an all time low. Black people are far less likely to have good healthcare.

It exists in politics with gerrymandering and voter restrictions that target black people and black communities in order to disenfranchise them.

This is systemic racism. It exists. It has been here since the beginning. It is still here. Anyone who tries to deny is either ignorant or a party to it.
 
ABM said:
Again, so you accept it's a big part of our existence, what are you doing about it?
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Listen

Accept that it exists

Acknowledge it exists

Call it out when I see it
 
ABM said:
OK, so, we had a Black president for 8 years. What did he do to quell so-called systemic racism? Another POTUS I know of claimed, "The buck stops here." I mean, does it?
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He advocated for increased access to healthcare and education.

He didn't do enough, and I didn't vote for him. But he certainly increased access to healthcare, even if it was only a half measure.
 
Phatguysrule said:
He advocated for increased access to healthcare and education.

He didn't do enough, and I didn't vote for him. But he certainly increased access to healthcare, even if it was only a half measure.
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He tried to do more but a Republican ruled Senate and house made it their mission to make sure he got nothing through.
 
Chris Craig said:
Listen

Accept that it exists

Acknowledge it exists

Call it out when I see it
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I understand what you're saying. But at least admit it's in the minority. Again, my efforts involve focusing on, and contributing to, causes that are actually making strides to improve situations and foster unity. Just to sit back and say, "SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS IN OUR COUNTRY!!", and call it a day means nothing to me. We all have our own spheres, and I keep brining that term up. That's where I apply "Accept that it exists", "Acknowledge that it exists", "Call it out when I see it". This would include any established laws. As it pertains to our children, this begins in our homes does it not? How are you parents in here training your children? Are you making efforts to assimilating them into racially mixed environments? Sports? Clubs? The like? And in doing so, are you promoting love, unity, and teamwork? And then actually talking about it during your teaching moments with them? The list goes on and on and on....generation to generation. THAT begets real change.
 
ABM said:
I understand what you're saying. But at least admit it's in the minority. Again, my efforts involve focusing on, and contributing to, causes that are actually making strides to improve situations and foster unity. Just to sit back and say, "SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS IN OUR COUNTRY!!", and call it a day means nothing to me. We all have our own spheres, and I keep brining that term up. That's where I apply "Accept that it exists", "Acknowledge that it exists", "Call it out when I see it". This would include any established laws. As it pertains to our children, this begins in our homes does it not? How are you parents in here training your children? Are you making efforts to assimilating them into racially mixed environments? Sports? Clubs? The like? And in doing so, are you promoting love, unity, and teamwork? And then actually talking about it during your teaching moments with them? The list goes on and on and on....generation to generation. THAT begets real change.
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I feel like the part you are overlooking is systemic means system. It's built into the system and has to do with the power structure of our country and laws. It's not about how you specifically treat your neighbors.
 
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